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Shokhann Echo
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.15 21:50:00 -
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Argon Gas wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:
I'm not being killed by them. But they are enough to force a retreat. My 2m isk 8m SP "toy" as you call it is being invalidated by something that requires 0 ******* SP, AND LESS THAN 2000 ISK. The dev who thought these were a good idea needs to be kicked in the balls by a Glaswegian soccer player.
Even infantry players want that bullshit cannon gone.
Good, it makes you retreat so you can't kill everyone freely in a pub match. It takes proto gear to actually destroy you. Militia assault rifles can still melt proto suits, get over it.
and you think that's right?
COD is that way =============> |
Shokhann Echo
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.15 22:00:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Shokhann Echo wrote:Argon Gas wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:
I'm not being killed by them. But they are enough to force a retreat. My 2m isk 8m SP "toy" as you call it is being invalidated by something that requires 0 ******* SP, AND LESS THAN 2000 ISK. The dev who thought these were a good idea needs to be kicked in the balls by a Glaswegian soccer player.
Even infantry players want that bullshit cannon gone.
Good, it makes you retreat so you can't kill everyone freely in a pub match. It takes proto gear to actually destroy you. Militia assault rifles can still melt proto suits, get over it. and you think that's right? COD is that way =============> And you think it's wrong that you're not invincible?
and you keep claiming we want god mode when every time weve had this specific argument we give you proof that we don't and all we want is actual balance. |
Shokhann Echo
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.15 22:05:00 -
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Argon Gas wrote:True Adamance wrote:Argon Gas wrote:It's just such an amazing argument.
Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players.
Just imagine the uproar.
Edit:
I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now.
I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is. Ima disagree on this one mr Cat. AVer take for granted how much power they have over tanks. TANKs need a rebalancing.... but IMO all they need is an increase to movement speed. I find it hard to imagine a futuristic tank that cannot stop, turn, manoeuvre effectively through rough terrain. I am not saying tanks are fine. I'm saying that if CCP listened to people like Charlotte, the game will be back to Tank514 like in the E3 build.
and your fine with it being AR514... of course you are..
it makes no logical sense for the biggest piece of equipment that's player operated to be the same as a dropsuit which is less that 1/5 its size.
chromosome was the closest weve ever gotten to balance (I think we can all agree on that) and CCP threw it all away because infantry could one shot everything with their ARs |
Shokhann Echo
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.08.15 22:10:00 -
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Argon Gas wrote:Xender17 wrote:Argon Gas wrote:It's just such an amazing argument.
Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players.
Just imagine the uproar.
Edit:
I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now.
I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is. Except it doesn't exist and probably well never exist. Except is doesn't exist and never well. As it stands HAVs cost much more than any suit fitting. This combined with the AV that's become incredibly powerful causes HAVs to be an unviable career for each battle. I think most of us well agree that we worry more about being able effectively go into a career without the constant loss of ISK than KDR. Also no tanker wants to go 60 - 0. We aren't idiots that have no concept of overpowered. There are no OP vehicles (minus LLAV) in the game. The only OP things that exist and that are complained about are infantry based weaponry. We have to deal with the constant infantry only OP gear. So yeah we well complain about OP things. Complaining is to often put with QQ or cry baby. Complain: To make a formal accusation. ISK lost combined with the current state of AV is something to complain about The problem is when tankers say "Oh but militia stuff shouldn't be able to drive me away!". So what are newberries going to do? Hit you with rocks? "Or it should take 4 people to take me down!" So basically pub matches will be a nightmare, and PC matches will be tank514?
if you want to fight vehicles, skill into AV, that's what its for, if you don't want to do that, not our problem.
I have respect for those that kill me if they are skilled into AV.
again COD is that way ==============> |
Shokhann Echo
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.08.15 22:36:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Shokhann Echo wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Shokhann Echo wrote:[
and you think that's right?
COD is that way =============> And you think it's wrong that you're not invincible? and you keep claiming we want god mode when every time weve had this specific argument we give you proof that we don't and all we want is actual balance. Where is this proof you speak of? You just stated that you thought it was wrong that low-level anti-vehicle weapons should be able to even drive you off. If you can't be driven off or destroyed, what can they do to protect themselves against you? Nothing, and that would be a problem. I don't disagree that tanks need some rebalancing. I do, however, disagree very strongly with the idea that AV should be so ineffective against tanks.
only militia AV weaponry should be ineffective, it requires no SP to get and very little ISK to buy.. all other AV should be deterrent and any Proto AV should be able to one shot Standard and militia tanks, but 2 shot advanced tanks and 3 shot prototype tanks, only then would it be equal..
militia AV is severely broken, if you want to kill vehicles, SKILL UP INTO AV, THATS WHAT AV IS FOR (ANTI-VEHICLE) |
Shokhann Echo
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.08.15 22:50:00 -
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Argon Gas wrote:Shokhann Echo wrote:Argon Gas wrote:True Adamance wrote:Argon Gas wrote:It's just such an amazing argument.
Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players.
Just imagine the uproar.
Edit:
I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now.
I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is. Ima disagree on this one mr Cat. AVer take for granted how much power they have over tanks. TANKs need a rebalancing.... but IMO all they need is an increase to movement speed. I find it hard to imagine a futuristic tank that cannot stop, turn, manoeuvre effectively through rough terrain. I am not saying tanks are fine. I'm saying that if CCP listened to people like Charlotte, the game will be back to Tank514 like in the E3 build. and your fine with it being AR514... of course you are.. it makes no logical sense for the biggest piece of equipment that's player operated to be the same as a dropsuit which is less that 1/5 its size. chromosome was the closest weve ever gotten to balance (I think we can all agree on that) and CCP threw it all away because infantry could one shot everything with their ARs Funny, the MD is actually more common in PC battles than an AR. Oh and the Assault scrambler rifle is practically the same as the AR. AR514 my ass.
that's PC, im talking about pub matches which is the same as what you were talking about earlier, funny how you just switch argument subjects when it suits your view point... we stick to our arguments to the details, we don't change anything.. you do.
also
Assault Rifle- : any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use .. |
Shokhann Echo
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.08.15 22:56:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:Shokhann Echo wrote:Argon Gas wrote:Xender17 wrote:Argon Gas wrote:It's just such an amazing argument.
Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players.
Just imagine the uproar.
Edit:
I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now.
I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is. Except it doesn't exist and probably well never exist. Except is doesn't exist and never well. As it stands HAVs cost much more than any suit fitting. This combined with the AV that's become incredibly powerful causes HAVs to be an unviable career for each battle. I think most of us well agree that we worry more about being able effectively go into a career without the constant loss of ISK than KDR. Also no tanker wants to go 60 - 0. We aren't idiots that have no concept of overpowered. There are no OP vehicles (minus LLAV) in the game. The only OP things that exist and that are complained about are infantry based weaponry. We have to deal with the constant infantry only OP gear. So yeah we well complain about OP things. Complaining is to often put with QQ or cry baby. Complain: To make a formal accusation. ISK lost combined with the current state of AV is something to complain about The problem is when tankers say "Oh but militia stuff shouldn't be able to drive me away!". So what are newberries going to do? Hit you with rocks? "Or it should take 4 people to take me down!" So basically pub matches will be a nightmare, and PC matches will be tank514? if you want to fight vehicles, skill into AV, that's what its for, if you don't want to do that, not our problem. I have respect for those that kill me if they are skilled into AV. again COD is that way ==============> Infantry kills infantry. AV kills vehicles. Tanks kill infantry and vehicles. It's easy to be smug when you are the rock and the scissors.
its not being smug, its being logical, smug is just plain ignorance |
Shokhann Echo
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.08.16 06:53:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Our Deepest Regret wrote:Argon Gas wrote:It's just such an amazing argument.
Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players.
Just imagine the uproar.
Edit:
I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now.
I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is. WHO. Who is is going 60 and 0? I'm not even going to entertain the possibility that this is the truth unless I start seeing some names here. How about instead of these unfounded generalizations, we start providing some evidence? All I play is pub. Whenever I'm the recipient of a stomping, as I frequently am, I have never seen the winning side have a tanker at these preposterous levels of dominance that are so frequently claimed. If I see a tanker go 20-1 (which I rarely do), I'm super impressed. ive seen many times tankers go 20+/0 , wich i dont mind , they tanks after all i hate them tough when they camp up in mountains in their red zone becoming snipers with 7k armor against vehicules and instalations and everything else
like iv said before... when a single militia swarm doesn't take down half of my HP, il come down |
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