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Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:29:00 - [1] - Quote It's just such an amazing argument. Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players. Just imagine the uproar. Edit: I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now. I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is.
richiesutie 2 Seraphim Auxiliaries 223	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:31:00 - [2] - Quote Dislike.
Azura Sakura Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 421	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:31:00 - [3] - Quote Argon Gas wrote: It's just such an amazing argument. Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players. Just imagine the uproar. Damn. You must have never went against proto forge guns and AV grenades.
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:33:00 - [4] - Quote Azura Sakura wrote: Argon Gas wrote: It's just such an amazing argument. Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players. Just imagine the uproar. Damn. You must have never went against proto forge guns and AV grenades. Missing the point. I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now. I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is.
Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 230	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:34:00 - [5] - Quote A LLAV could do it so why not a tank:P
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 504	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:35:00 - [6] - Quote Argon Gas wrote: Azura Sakura wrote: Argon Gas wrote: It's just such an amazing argument. Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players. Just imagine the uproar. Damn. You must have never went against proto forge guns and AV grenades. Missing the point. I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now. I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is. We shouldn't lose 2m isk because some dickbag with inviso-swarms or the non-rendering forge gunner looked at us for 5 seconds. make that crap cost more, and remove the militia forge, replace it with a militia HMG.
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:38:00 - [7] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Argon Gas wrote: Azura Sakura wrote: Argon Gas wrote: It's just such an amazing argument. Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players. Just imagine the uproar. Damn. You must have never went against proto forge guns and AV grenades. Missing the point. I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now. I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is. We shouldn't lose 2m isk because some dickbag with inviso-swarms or the non-rendering forge gunner looked at us for 5 seconds. make that crap cost more, and remove the militia forge, replace it with a militia HMG. If you are taken down by militia forge guns you deserve to lose 2m.
Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 230	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:38:00 - [8] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Argon Gas wrote: Azura Sakura wrote: Argon Gas wrote: It's just such an amazing argument. Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players. Just imagine the uproar. Damn. You must have never went against proto forge guns and AV grenades. Missing the point. I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now. I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is. We shouldn't lose 2m isk because some dickbag with inviso-swarms or the non-rendering forge gunner looked at us for 5 seconds. make that crap cost more, and remove the militia forge, replace it with a militia HMG. GASP! I would actually have to train into FGs!? I would need a respec then -_-
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 504	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:45:00 - [9] - Quote Argon Gas wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Argon Gas wrote: Azura Sakura wrote: Argon Gas wrote: It's just such an amazing argument. Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players. Just imagine the uproar. Damn. You must have never went against proto forge guns and AV grenades. Missing the point. I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now. I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is. We shouldn't lose 2m isk because some dickbag with inviso-swarms or the non-rendering forge gunner looked at us for 5 seconds. make that crap cost more, and remove the militia forge, replace it with a militia HMG. If you are taken down by militia forge guns you deserve to lose 2m. I'm not being killed by them. But they are enough to force a retreat. My 2m isk 8m SP "toy" as you call it is being invalidated by something that requires 0 ******* SP, AND LESS THAN 2000 ISK. The dev who thought these were a good idea needs to be kicked in the balls by a Glaswegian soccer player. Even infantry players want that bullshit cannon gone.
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 47	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:48:00 - [10] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: I'm not being killed by them. But they are enough to force a retreat. My 2m isk 8m SP "toy" as you call it is being invalidated by something that requires 0 ******* SP, AND LESS THAN 2000 ISK. The dev who thought these were a good idea needs to be kicked in the balls by a Glaswegian soccer player. Even infantry players want that bullshit cannon gone. Good, it makes you retreat so you can't kill everyone freely in a pub match. It takes proto gear to actually destroy you. Militia assault rifles can still melt proto suits, get over it.

Shokhann Echo Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:50:00 - [11] - Quote Argon Gas wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: I'm not being killed by them. But they are enough to force a retreat. My 2m isk 8m SP "toy" as you call it is being invalidated by something that requires 0 ******* SP, AND LESS THAN 2000 ISK. The dev who thought these were a good idea needs to be kicked in the balls by a Glaswegian soccer player. Even infantry players want that bullshit cannon gone. Good, it makes you retreat so you can't kill everyone freely in a pub match. It takes proto gear to actually destroy you. Militia assault rifles can still melt proto suits, get over it. and you think that's right? COD is that way =============>
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1661	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:51:00 - [12] - Quote Sure tanks should not be a pay ISK to win mechanic for sure, but tank drivers should be able to play a whole match without losing their tank in 2s. Regardless of the arguments, something needs to change or tanks will never be a presence on the battlefield. I think the problem mostly lies in the fact that AVers can kill tanks from absurd distances... I hate to say it but swarms and FGs should probably receive a significant range nerf so that AV requires closer quarters and HAVs can be better at their force multiplier role. I also wouldn't oppose bring the current tanks down drastically in price and calling them MAVs and introducing an HAV that requires 2-3 people to operate it, and they can then be a true force to be reckoned with.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 2522	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:51:00 - [13] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: [ I'm not being killed by them. But they are enough to force a retreat. My 2m isk 8m SP "toy" as you call it is being invalidated by something that requires 0 ******* SP, AND LESS THAN 2000 ISK. The dev who thought these were a good idea needs to be kicked in the balls by a Glaswegian soccer player. Even infantry players want that bullshit cannon gone. So you think you shouldn't retreat at all and should be able to just sit there and butcher infantry all day? Your proportional cost argument is completely invalid - a militia assault rifle is perfectly capable of driving off or killing a prototype suit.
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 450	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:52:00 - [14] - Quote Argon Gas wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Argon Gas wrote: Azura Sakura wrote: Argon Gas wrote: It's just such an amazing argument. Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players. Just imagine the uproar. Damn. You must have never went against proto forge guns and AV grenades. Missing the point. I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now. I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is. We shouldn't lose 2m isk because some dickbag with inviso-swarms or the non-rendering forge gunner looked at us for 5 seconds. make that crap cost more, and remove the militia forge, replace it with a militia HMG. If you are taken down by militia forge guns you deserve to lose 2m. If you are taken down by militia assault riffles you deserve to lose 100k.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 2522	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:53:00 - [15] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: Argon Gas wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: I'm not being killed by them. But they are enough to force a retreat. My 2m isk 8m SP "toy" as you call it is being invalidated by something that requires 0 ******* SP, AND LESS THAN 2000 ISK. The dev who thought these were a good idea needs to be kicked in the balls by a Glaswegian soccer player. Even infantry players want that bullshit cannon gone. Good, it makes you retreat so you can't kill everyone freely in a pub match. It takes proto gear to actually destroy you. Militia assault rifles can still melt proto suits, get over it. and you think that's right? COD is that way =============> And you think it's wrong that you're not invincible?
Viktor Zokas 187. 222	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:54:00 - [16] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: Argon Gas wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: I'm not being killed by them. But they are enough to force a retreat. My 2m isk 8m SP "toy" as you call it is being invalidated by something that requires 0 ******* SP, AND LESS THAN 2000 ISK. The dev who thought these were a good idea needs to be kicked in the balls by a Glaswegian soccer player. Even infantry players want that bullshit cannon gone. Good, it makes you retreat so you can't kill everyone freely in a pub match. It takes proto gear to actually destroy you. Militia assault rifles can still melt proto suits, get over it. and you think that's right? COD is that way =============> Teamwork is hard yo.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2993	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:55:00 - [17] - Quote Pretty backwards argument, I agree. Instead of "Since tanks are more expensive than they're worth, they should be more effective" it should be "Since tanks are more expensive than they're worth, they should cost less"
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:55:00 - [18] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: [ I'm not being killed by them. But they are enough to force a retreat. My 2m isk 8m SP "toy" as you call it is being invalidated by something that requires 0 ******* SP, AND LESS THAN 2000 ISK. The dev who thought these were a good idea needs to be kicked in the balls by a Glaswegian soccer player. Even infantry players want that bullshit cannon gone. So you think you shouldn't retreat at all and should be able to just sit there and butcher infantry all day? Your proportional cost argument is completely invalid - a militia assault rifle is perfectly capable of driving off or killing a prototype suit. Exactly. If newberries could not drive you away it would be chaos.
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:57:00 - [19] - Quote Xender17 wrote: If you are taken down by militia assault riffles you deserve to lose 100k. Actually, the difference in damage between a duvolle and a militia AR is 3.4. And before you say anything, no I'm not taken down by militia AR's, but I surely am taking down proto suits with one.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1290	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:57:00 - [20] - Quote Argon Gas wrote: It's just such an amazing argument. Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players. Just imagine the uproar. Edit: I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now. I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is. Ima disagree on this one mr Cat. AVer take for granted how much power they have over tanks. TANKs need a rebalancing.... but IMO all they need is an increase to movement speed. I find it hard to imagine a futuristic tank that cannot stop, turn, manoeuvre effectively through rough terrain.

Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz 317	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:57:00 - [21] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: I'm not being killed by them. But they are enough to force a retreat. My 2m isk 8m SP "toy" as you call it is being invalidated by something that requires 0 ******* SP, AND LESS THAN 2000 ISK. The dev who thought these were a good idea needs to be kicked in the balls by a Glaswegian soccer player. Even infantry players want that bullshit cannon gone. Working as intended. Militia gear is suppose to make you retreat, what you want to just sit there and eat hits like cotton candy just because you have more SP then someone else? Sorry the game doesn't work that way, Skill > SP. Proto gear is still suppose to be comparable to standard gear, they just make what you do easier to a certain degree.
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:58:00 - [22] - Quote Viktor Zokas wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: Argon Gas wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: I'm not being killed by them. But they are enough to force a retreat. My 2m isk 8m SP "toy" as you call it is being invalidated by something that requires 0 ******* SP, AND LESS THAN 2000 ISK. The dev who thought these were a good idea needs to be kicked in the balls by a Glaswegian soccer player. Even infantry players want that bullshit cannon gone. Good, it makes you retreat so you can't kill everyone freely in a pub match. It takes proto gear to actually destroy you. Militia assault rifles can still melt proto suits, get over it. and you think that's right? COD is that way =============> Teamwork is hard yo. A tank should require as many people to man it as it requires to destroy it. Simple as that.
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:59:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Argon Gas wrote: It's just such an amazing argument. Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players. Just imagine the uproar. Edit: I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now. I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is. Ima disagree on this one mr Cat. AVer take for granted how much power they have over tanks. TANKs need a rebalancing.... but IMO all they need is an increase to movement speed. I find it hard to imagine a futuristic tank that cannot stop, turn, manoeuvre effectively through rough terrain. I am not saying tanks are fine. I'm saying that if CCP listened to people like Charlotte, the game will be back to Tank514 like in the E3 build.
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 451	Posted - 2013.08.15 22:00:00 - [24] - Quote Argon Gas wrote: It's just such an amazing argument. Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players. Just imagine the uproar. Edit: I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now. I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is. Except is doesn't exist and never well. As it stands HAVs cost much more than any suit fitting. This combined with the AV that's become incredibly powerful causes HAVs to be an unviable career for each battle. I think most of us well agree that we worry more about being able effectively go into a career without the constant loss of ISK than KDR. Also no tanker wants to go 60 - 0. We aren't idiots that have no concept of overpowered. There are no OP vehicles (minus LLAV) in the game. The only OP things that exist and that are complained about are infantry based weaponry. We have to deal with the constant infantry only OP gear. So yeah we well complain about OP things. Complaining is to often put with QQ or cry baby. Complain: To make a formal accusation. ISK lost combined with the current state of AV is something to complain about
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 109	Posted - 2013.08.15 22:00:00 - [25] - Quote what i want about tanks is that they shouldnt be able to climb or be called up in the mountains or reduce rail guns distance they just become snipers with 7k armor that can destroy vehicules and instalations and by the time you see them or get to them IF you can get to them since most camp in red zone ,its too late...
Shokhann Echo Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.08.15 22:00:00 - [26] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: Argon Gas wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: I'm not being killed by them. But they are enough to force a retreat. My 2m isk 8m SP "toy" as you call it is being invalidated by something that requires 0 ******* SP, AND LESS THAN 2000 ISK. The dev who thought these were a good idea needs to be kicked in the balls by a Glaswegian soccer player. Even infantry players want that bullshit cannon gone. Good, it makes you retreat so you can't kill everyone freely in a pub match. It takes proto gear to actually destroy you. Militia assault rifles can still melt proto suits, get over it. and you think that's right? COD is that way =============> And you think it's wrong that you're not invincible? and you keep claiming we want god mode when every time weve had this specific argument we give you proof that we don't and all we want is actual balance.
kiro of justice Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 59	Posted - 2013.08.15 22:01:00 - [27] - Quote Here's how this is gonna go. CCP wants to keep the Militia Forge and not buff the tank, then I'll just AFK and ruin the forge toting newberries time (The ones on my team anyway) I'm not having fun so...I'll just sit on my ISK/SP in the MCC and let them do...Whatever.
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2013.08.15 22:03:00 - [28] - Quote Xender17 wrote: Argon Gas wrote: It's just such an amazing argument. Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players. Just imagine the uproar. Edit: I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now. I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is. Except it doesn't exist and probably well never exist. Except is doesn't exist and never well. As it stands HAVs cost much more than any suit fitting. This combined with the AV that's become incredibly powerful causes HAVs to be an unviable career for each battle. I think most of us well agree that we worry more about being able effectively go into a career without the constant loss of ISK than KDR. Also no tanker wants to go 60 - 0. We aren't idiots that have no concept of overpowered. There are no OP vehicles (minus LLAV) in the game. The only OP things that exist and that are complained about are infantry based weaponry. We have to deal with the constant infantry only OP gear. So yeah we well complain about OP things. Complaining is to often put with QQ or cry baby. Complain: To make a formal accusation. ISK lost combined with the current state of AV is something to complain about The problem is when tankers say "Oh but militia stuff shouldn't be able to drive me away!". So what are newberries going to do? Hit you with rocks? "Or it should take 4 people to take me down!" So basically pub matches will be a nightmare, and PC matches will be tank514?
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 507	Posted - 2013.08.15 22:03:00 - [29] - Quote Argon Gas wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: I'm not being killed by them. But they are enough to force a retreat. My 2m isk 8m SP "toy" as you call it is being invalidated by something that requires 0 ***** SP, AND LESS THAN 2000 ISK. The dev who thought these were a good idea needs to be kicked in the balls by a Glaswegian soccer player. Even infantry players want that bullshit cannon gone. Good, it makes you retreat so you can't kill everyone freely in a pub match. It takes proto gear to actually destroy you. Militia assault rifles can still melt proto suits, get over it. yeah, with proper flanking or concentrated fire and a lot of luck. know what a forge gun needs? to not be in direct view for 3.5 seconds. and kill everyone? you high or something? getting 10 in a match is considered a resounding success for me since every single match has either proto AV grenades, or some dickbag with a militia forge fit since both are easily available and require not one sacrifice to use, unlike tanking. of course, that's also using a rail tank where the render distance changes randomly(and quite frankly, the only way to not die in 15 seconds flat) One match, I can see all the way to the enemy MCC. next match, all chevrons, and nothing renders, even background items are popping in and out. Both of those matches were on the same map, from the same vantage point. Please, * to nerf me even more, maybe I should just be ***** blindfolded so you pathetic CoD shitheads have a chance against my almighty tank. Oh wait, it's not almighty, it's barely even chugging along, and that's with more SP than most proto suits require, and I still have another half a proto-suit to go until I'm good. I honestly get more kills with a base heavy and HMG with less loss per match than I do with a tank. of course, the heavy suit has better acceleration, lower top speed, but top speed requires a map long straightaway in a tank.
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 451	Posted - 2013.08.15 22:05:00 - [30] - Quote Argon Gas wrote: Xender17 wrote: Argon Gas wrote: It's just such an amazing argument. Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players. Just imagine the uproar. Edit: I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now. I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is. Except it doesn't exist and probably well never exist. Except is doesn't exist and never well. As it stands HAVs cost much more than any suit fitting. This combined with the AV that's become incredibly powerful causes HAVs to be an unviable career for each battle. I think most of us well agree that we worry more about being able effectively go into a career without the constant loss of ISK than KDR. Also no tanker wants to go 60 - 0. We aren't idiots that have no concept of overpowered. There are no OP vehicles (minus LLAV) in the game. The only OP things that exist and that are complained about are infantry based weaponry. We have to deal with the constant infantry only OP gear. So yeah we well complain about OP things. Complaining is to often put with QQ or cry baby. Complain: To make a formal accusation. ISK lost combined with the current state of AV is something to complain about The problem is when tankers say "Oh but militia stuff shouldn't be able to drive me away!". So what are newberries going to do? Hit you with rocks? "Or it should take 4 people to take me down!" So basically pub matches will be a nightmare, and PC matches will be tank514? No they are going to skill into AV and work to destroy freaking 1 mil isk. Which they don't do. Do you own an HAV and have at least 7 mil into it?



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