I'm not being killed by them. But they are enough to force a retreat. .

It's just such an amazing argument.
Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players.
Just imagine the uproar.

Edit:
I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now.
I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is.

Isn't that what they are supposed to do?

It's just such an amazing argument.
Imagine if there was a suit for 2m and I could go 60/0 while sneezing on some players.
Just imagine the uproar.

Edit:
I'm not saying tanks are capable of doing that now.
I'm saying they should never be able to, no matter how expensive your toy is.

A LLAV could do it so why not a tank:P

i read this forum in amusing irony.

The Over post thinks tanks are too powerful but ive read posts from people speced in AV saying a topical encounter with an HAV is like a game of waka-mole or slaughtering a turtle ( dropships are like pinatas).

I also laugh at the rise of nerf forge gun posts, because when forges where only killing HAVs and dropships ( LAVs sometimes) nobody but vehicles had a problem. But when someone got good at sniping witih it the nerfs start pouring in. It's almost a shame the people crying nerf forge guns can't see the hell they're bring to thier door.

it's ironic the God Tanks era ( along with other points in history ) in Dust probably taught the vets more about teamwork and strategy then anything the academy can teach newberries. Ask me they should play the biassed skirmish 1.0, be forced to fight the old OP heavies of the e3 bukid ,and find out by themselves that HAVs have a soft rear ( check effectiveness rating will looking at an HAV's rear).

WHO. Who is is going 60 and 0? I'm not even going to entertain the possibility that this is the truth unless I start seeing some names here. How about instead of these unfounded generalizations, we start providing some evidence? All I play is pub. Whenever I'm the recipient of a stomping, as I frequently am, I have never seen the winning side have a tanker at these preposterous levels of dominance that are so frequently claimed. If I see a tanker go 20-1 (which I rarely do), I'm super impressed.

ive seen many times tankers go 20+/0 , wich i dont mind , they tanks after all

i hate them tough when they camp up in mountains in their red zone becoming snipers with 7k armor against vehicules and instalations and everything else

if you want to fight vehicles, skill into AV, that's what its for, if you don't want to do that, not our problem.


I have respect for those that kill me if they are skilled into AV.

again COD is that way ==============>

So, MLT which is less than 2k isk and 0 SP should completely invalidate 2m isk and 8m SP. something literally anyone can make a suit for, for basically free(mlt heavy, mlt forge) can force something that requires 8m just to be useable without dying in the first 10 seconds(now it takes almost 15!)

But tanks are expensive, reduce the cost and you're welcome to blow me up, if I can actually have enough money at the end of the game to buy another.

Good god you people are ignorant....

READ
THE
FITH AND SIXTH LINE


I CLEARLY STATE THIS IS NOT THE SITUATION RIGHT NOW, BUT IF PEOPLE LIKE CHARLOTTE GOT WHAT THEY WANTED, THIS WILL BE THE SITUATION.


For fucks sake where is your reading comprehension?

in CoD , Go

Ima disagree on this one mr Cat.

AVer take for granted how much power they have over tanks.

TANKs need a rebalancing.... but IMO all they need is an increase to movement speed. I find it hard to imagine a futuristic tank that cannot stop, turn, manoeuvre effectively through rough terrain.

Now we've come full circle, remember the thread title: "I just LOVE the argument that tanks are expensive".

This is why these discussions will always run in circles without leading to any kind of resolve. Before we talk about what's the best balance, we really all need to agree on whether it is okay for something to be really powerful but expensive, so that you have to grind a few matches before you can afford it again (or find another source of revenue).

Unsurprisingly I'm with the OP on the matter. I believe that no matter how expensive and powerful a tank is, it needs to have a good chance of being destroyed for the game to play out well. This means it's not going to be profitable by itself, and that this kind of power requires a bit of sacrifice in terms of ISK.

Also consider this: What's the point of making ISK in Dust, if not to occasionally afford gear that is powerful but not profitable? What _else_ would you do with all that ISK?

A tank would have to be pretty weak for it to be cheap enough to be able to buy a new one in every pub match. We could have a tank variant like that, but that would really deflate the fear-factor of seeing a tank on the battlefield. It makes more sense to me for this to be another category of vehicle, and we kind of already have that in the LAV.

Sure tanks should not be a pay ISK to win mechanic for sure, but tank drivers should be able to play a whole match without losing their tank in 2s.

Regardless of the arguments, something needs to change or tanks will never be a presence on the battlefield.

I think the problem mostly lies in the fact that AVers can kill tanks from absurd distances... I hate to say it but swarms and FGs should probably receive a significant range nerf so that AV requires closer quarters and HAVs can be better at their force multiplier role.

I also wouldn't oppose bring the current tanks down drastically in price and calling them MAVs and introducing an HAV that requires 2-3 people to operate it, and they can then be a true force to be reckoned with.

So you think you shouldn't retreat at all and should be able to just sit there and butcher infantry all day?
Your proportional cost argument is completely invalid - a militia assault rifle is perfectly capable of driving off or killing a prototype suit.

Can militia suits sit in areas where the proto suits cannot fight back? No.
Is the prototype suit 20x larger and easier to hit than the militia? No.
Can militia suits out DPS prototypes? No
All of these are yes however with AV and Tanks...

Oh wait! Lets introduce a heat seeking flaylock that does 400 damage per hit, and can only lock onto infantry! Then the small suits can experience the equality of tanking!

Good, it makes you retreat so you can't kill everyone freely in a pub match.
It takes proto gear to actually destroy you.

Militia assault rifles can still melt proto suits, get over it.