-_- since when did u do this sort of QQ

Yeh but whole need a respec thing is just bad players being bad dispite his flaws he is good at this game

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sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.

EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed?

So he is "good at this game" yet "whole need a respec thing is bad players being bad?"

I agree he's horrible.

Indeed, but by cross-training I am loosing over 3mil SPs that I can use right now. It took me a long time to get to Proto Logic, and now I am restarting a new Alt. Merc.

Trials and errors is the only way you can get through DUST 514, no-one can tell you what is good or not, but by testing it yourself.
So I tried but I did not care for it.

Now I have a good load-out and enjoying the game again, but I had to restart all over again and leave behind almost 10mil SPs. Will take me months to get where I was.

No matter the reasons, I do not understand the "No" Respec policy.

Thank you.

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Crosstrain

Dont buy a Beetle with a Souped up 500 HP engine for 30.000$ that you know will break down because it wasnt made for it, when you could have bought a R32 GTR for 15.000$ with stock 420 HP and use the other 15 grand to upgrade it to 700 HP at a later date.

We all knew the Logi suits would eventually get nerfed, we however never tought it would take em Months to do it, you used the suit for months to your advantage, so why would you be allowed to change back out ?

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Crosstrain

Crosstraining makes you immune to CCPs sporadic and random buffs?

Wow, I wish I knew that.

You guys with your Eve mentality will be the reason why this game fails.

People need respecs, get on board or GTFO.

Everyone did say they going to get nerfed from the get, BUT of course no one (but me) listened so I think those who chose the OP dropsuit while knowing it'll eventually get nerfed should deal with the consequence of the dropsuit package they decided on. I ran Gallente right from uprising and had to deal with these insane shield dropsuits + Tac Rifles. Now, it feels damn good to be able to kill them easier.


Maybe when CCP realizes they are about to go into the dirt, they'll let people respec with AUR to suck the last bit of money they can from everyone here. lol

You're a good player, you can still be a killer with how it is.

You guys with your Eve mentality will be the reason why this game fails.

People need respecs, get on board or GTFO.

Respecs would break the game to an extent beyond repair.

Halo, one of the most popular games out there, doesn't have a respec system.

Odd, all the respecs we've had before never seemed to "break the game to an extent beyond repair". They did however seem to renew many players interest in the game, at least for a while.

Odd, all the respecs we've had before never seemed to "break the game to an extent beyond repair". They did however seem to renew many players interest in the game, at least for a while.

Arguably, the rise of the "Cal Logi" game-breaking-FOTM **** people complain about can be attributed to the availability of the LAST respec we got

sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.

EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed?

Indeed, but by cross-training I am loosing over 3mil SPs that I can use right now. It took me a long time to get to Proto Logic, and now I am restarting a new Alt. Merc.

Trials and errors is the only way you can get through DUST 514, no-one can tell you what is good or not, but by testing it yourself.
So I tried but I did not care for it.

Now I have a good load-out and enjoying the game again, but I had to restart all over again and leave behind almost 10mil SPs. Will take me months to get where I was.

No matter the reasons, I do not understand the "No" Respec policy.

Thank you.

That's less of a product of respecs and more of a product of CCP not knowing how to properly balance their FPS game.

If things were reasonably balanced and slowly iterated on, it wouldn't matter nearly as much.

Respecs or something like a respec is needed because it helps keep people from getting incredibly bored running the exact same thing every single game. No other modern FPS forces you to wait months on end to be reasonable in any given role. You can switch out, mix and match, and just go (in general).

In DUST, you're forced to wade through the same 5 matches for months to get anything "good", and you are rewarded with a little stat boost and the exact same gameplay you've been playing for months on end.

It's boring. That's the problem.

Letting people swap out their hard earned SP from time to time only hurts ego's.

respecs cannot help anyone if you take math into account.

"We all knew..."

Bullshit answer TBQH.

Some of us specced into Cal Logi before there WAS massive QQ.

"We all knew..."

Bullshit answer TBQH.

Some of us specced into Cal Logi before there WAS massive QQ.

Respecs or something like a respec is needed because it helps keep people from getting incredibly bored running the exact same thing every single game. No other modern FPS forces you to wait months on end to be reasonable in any given role. You can switch out, mix and match, and just go (in general)

To say one was suppose to to predict the nerf is not being fair...

Can any one name a product available to a consumer that requires time and/or $ that can instantly change after the product is in the consumer's ownership? That after said change the majority of affected consumers requested no recourse?

To say one was suppose to to predict the nerf is not being fair...why could it not have been a buff to all other suits? That is just as logical. In fact, did not the Dev's say they want to "change" the logis more one day and give bonus's to equipment uses and such...in your logic no one should spec into logis because we are told they will change. Do you believe a company really wants to honestly sell a product and have consumers buy it with explicit knowledge it will change?

Dust seems to be more accurately selling place holders that can be nerfed and buffed at anytime...screw the customer.

What you should have spec'd into was assault. All the true logi's I know have not had an issue with the changes. Quit crying and adapt.

sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.

EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed?

sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.

EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed?

The real reason all these Cal-logis are still crying: they realize how stupid it was to use a suit without a sidearm to play an Assault role, and now they can't rely on panic nading with fused locus grenades when they run out of ammo, like they could before those were nerfed. IMO, it has very little to do with the adjusted stats of the suit and more to do with them dying while reloading as the other true ASSAULT player switches to their sidearm to finish them off.

when you buy a house and the housing market gets a "nerf" do you get your money back?

when you go to college for a particular profession and then 20 years later that profession has drasctic changes that require further education does your college owe you those classes for free? if you cant find a job in that profession does the college owe you a refund?

when you buy a car and then the next year a better model comes out for the same price do you get to just trade the old one in for the brand new one at no extra cost? if the price of that car you bought comes down in value do you get a check from the dealer for the difference?

life is full of permanent decisions your stuck with... grow up and get used to it....

when you buy a house and the housing market gets a "nerf" do you get your money back?

when you go to college for a particular profession and then 20 years later that profession has drasctic changes that require further education does your college owe you those classes for free? if you cant find a job in that profession does the college owe you a refund?

when you buy a car and then the next year a better model comes out for the same price do you get to just trade the old one in for the brand new one at no extra cost? if the price of that car you bought comes down in value do you get a check from the dealer for the difference?

life is full of permanent decisions your stuck with... grow up and get used to it....

Wouldn't nerfs to classes in WoW be similar cases where people paid money to get **** and then they nerfed abilities or skills of the class? Whats the difference?

Halo, one of the most popular games out there, doesn't have a respec system.

Wouldn't nerfs to classes in WoW be similar cases where people paid money to get **** and then they nerfed abilities or skills of the class? Whats the difference?

Cannot claim to have ever played WOW but from a quick Google search it appears they have a Respec option?

To the point players where swapping skill sets between boss fights less than 5 minutes apart. Which goes back to my pay to win argument a guy with 10,000 USD can easily just rearrange skills between fights in a tournament if he had too just to make it difficult for opponents to know what his fit is, team with the most RL money can repsec the fastest.

To all of you that say that respecs are bad, do you have a reason or are you just stating your opinion? I see nothing wrong with respecs, with all the changes they are making to this game.

Yet you still have to play whatever you spec'd into

Ok, so they dropped X amount of dollars into CCPs account.

Now your spy information is either invalid, or invaluable if you still have an active spy, since obviously you have a spy or else you wouldn't be too concerned about what they were running to the extent where you know that teams composition in any meaningful way.

So now this team has dumped a bunch of money to toss around their skills. All the equipment, or much of it, that they had before is now invalid. With a player market they can turn around and sell that back, and create new business as they have to buy new gear to fit their new skills.

I'm not even arguing for a system that would give you such freedom, it's absurd, but I also feel that your point was kind of absurd.

Also with WoW, those "respecs" are in game currency, or at least they were however many years ago it was that I actually had an account >_< Ahhh....WoW....people got very consumed with that game....

[SUGGESTION] Skillback booster https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=86041&find=unread
Update: An intriguing idea that the dev team will discuss further.

No matter how good of a sales they are if its bad to for the community its bad despite sales and gives CCP the very wrong idea of how to go forward on their microtransactions. For example the flaylock contact grenade sale at the height of their imbalanced perception and the dropship sales at their lowest perception (which still hasn't really bounded back up.)

Also any team well versed in the 'stance dance' will have invalid fits pre-saved and equipment pre-stocked and skill layout pre-charted so they can easily swap over in the normal 5 minute gap.

Seymour, with all due respect I could use this same line to argue for the changing and non-refund of Aurum items you argued against? How is this any different? If I pay for boosters than invest that SP into skills that are changed how am I less affected?

The fact is this is a consumer product and a live service that has to be responsive and fair to its customer base. So far below average reviews and a limited concurrent user base of only roughly 4K means they arenGÇÖt doing something right.

I am all for choices having consequences. There is value in that and players can respect it. However, that is a lie if that choice is false and the only real choice is CCPGÇÖs.

Do not punish players for CCPGÇÖs errors and donGÇÖt blame players for them either.

Note: I do not use any of the items in question.

To all of you that say that respecs are bad, do you have a reason or are you just stating your opinion? I see nothing wrong with respecs, with all the changes they are making to this game.

But there is blame to be spread here in a way regarding the reason for the ops complaint. Fact is he used a suit for it's capabilities outside of it's role. We can and are saying that the balance of the suit is CCP's fault, but it's the individual players who trained for it and used it outside of it's intended place. They chose to make large SP allocations to something clearly broken. And those that got there prior to the nerf got what they paid for, a temporary combat advantage which likely translated into additional rewards for that increased performance.

Trials and errors is the only way you can get through DUST 514, no-one can tell you what is good or not, but by testing it yourself.
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Crosstrain

CCP themselves released a promotional video showing how Dust 514 was different from other FPS games. As an example they showed how one could use a heavy frame to snipe. In this they showed that you could turn the tables on your foes whom expected a GÇ£typicalGÇ¥ glass cannon. How is it that CCP themselves can point to this great adaptability and custom ability and yet we as players cannot?

The fact is that all items are a set of slot placements, CPU and PG, and certain other variables that may shift it towards a role. Anything else is fluff. If you want to armor tank a Scout suit than that is your right regardless of what the GÇ£optimalGÇ¥ intended role should be. It is part of what CCP they use to promote the great sandbox that is Eve. It is CCPGÇÖs job to provide balance GÇô not the players. In this game related to the other often dubbed GÇ£Spreadsheets in spaceGÇ¥ how am I to blame the player for looking at numbers and picking the best option? CCP themselves advertise this as a GÇ£featureGÇ¥

Sadly, we again blame and punish players vs. developers for the use of unbalanced items.

"Here is your sandbox, but, don't play with that, or that, or that, because I in my glorious opinion deem it to be overpowered and the great nerf bat cometh."

The fact is that CCP dropped the ball. It happens and IGÇÖm not going to beat them up for it. They are going to make changes to bring things in line with the lessons learned. However, it is simply in my mind not a situation were you say HTFU to the player for doing exactly what your supposed to do. The accountability is CCPGÇÖs an punishing players as if they are accountable for balancing mistakes as CCP works via trial and error to get things right is not smart business.

And what I am particularly saying is that training for FOTM wasn't inherently wrong, but that it's a weighed decision. Be OP now at the risk of nerfs later, or take a different route and wait for your turn in the sun.

It's just like all the other choices.

And please stop talking about EvE as if it helps your point.

It's almost as if when I sign onto my GAME, I expect to play my GAME and enjoy the GAME that I'm playing specifically because it's a GAME and not real life.

In real life you rarely buy a new car only to drive it home and when it gets in the driveway, it magically becomes a broken down beater that no one likes.

Seymour, with all due respect I could use this same line to argue for the changing and non-refund of Aurum items you argued against? How is this any different? If I pay for boosters than invest that SP into skills that are changed how am I less affected?

The fact is this is a consumer product and a live service that has to be responsive and fair to its customer base. So far below average reviews and a limited concurrent user base of only roughly 4K means they arenGÇÖt doing something right.

I am all for choices having consequences. There is value in that and players can respect it. However, that is a lie if that choice is false and the only real choice is CCPGÇÖs.

Do not punish players for CCPGÇÖs errors and donGÇÖt blame players for them either.

Note: I do not use any of the items in question.

sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.

EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed?

Call me a douche if you want but here is how I go about this game.

Step 1: train all of your core skills up, shields, armor, engineering, electronics, equipment, etc..

Step 2: find a suit you like to run and what works best for you and skill into it

Step 3: find out what weapon is fotm or "OP" and skill into it to at least proficiency lvl2

Step 4: don't spend any skill points from here on out till your fotm or "op" weapon gets nerfed

Step 5: repeat steps 3 and 4

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Crosstrain

Sadly, I was only trying to point to the fact that looking at numbers and making decisions based on that is not a bad thing.

This is why I say invoking the idea that "In Eve people do x" doesn't work. They won't be on the forums asking for a respec when a ship gets yanked out from under them. They will be scrambling to find, get their coalitions training and supplied with, then deploy the newest set of "best numbers" ASAP. The fact that we have these threads shows that part of that is here as well. They just lack the follow through to keep the chase going.

sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.

EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed?

One word

Crosstrain

sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.

EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed?

Wouldn't nerfs to classes in WoW be similar cases where people paid money to get **** and then they nerfed abilities or skills of the class? Whats the difference?

You're suit was op and you had an unfair advantage, now you're suit is balanced and you are on the same playing field as everyone else, therefore you're sp is not wasted. PS: when selecting into logistics did you ever stop to think what logistics means?

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Crosstrain

Right cross train in a game that only rewards those who specialize. Genius

sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.

EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed?

It's boring. That's the problem. [/b]

Letting people swap out their hard earned SP from time to time only hurts ego's.

Right cross train in a game that only rewards those who specialize. Genius

Exactly. Start specializing in something new. You don't just rinse and reapply and get proto in something else without working for it. Quit being ******* lazy.

On a side note, stop speccing into what everyone else is using cus it's so uber. Spec into what you think is cool and fun to use. The challenge in this game is winning with what's not popular. It was a challenge to use the MD in an armor tanked suit during the **** days of Uprising 1.1. Now, it's kind of lame. So I'm training for scrambler pistols and rifles. You better believe that I didn't scrap my current character and start over though. That's just stupid.

sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.

EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed?

Indeed, but by cross-training I am loosing over 3mil SPs that I can use right now. It took me a long time to get to Proto Logic, and now I am restarting a new Alt. Merc.

Trials and errors is the only way you can get through DUST 514, no-one can tell you what is good or not, but by testing it yourself.
So I tried but I did not care for it.

Now I have a good load-out and enjoying the game again, but I had to restart all over again and leave behind almost 10mil SPs. Will take me months to get where I was.

No matter the reasons, I do not understand the "No" Respec policy.

Thank you.

One word.....IRRELEVANT!!!!!

sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.

EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed?

sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.

EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed?

sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.

EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed?

To all of you that say that respecs are bad, do you have a reason or are you just stating your opinion? I see nothing wrong with respecs, with all the changes they are making to this game.

Crosstraining makes you immune to CCPs sporadic and random buffs and nerfs?

Wow, I wish I knew that.

It also lets you have many variations on the same task so you're always playing differently. I've crossed into a scout suit and two logistics suits and an assault suit. Now I have many roles on the battlefield depending on what is needed at the time.

Only people who can't realize the fact that no skill point is ever wasted in this game will continue to fail. Be innovative bro. Learn2Play.

Don't use what yooouuuu can't afford to loooooosssseeeeeeeeeee...

Can any one name a product available to a consumer that requires time and/or $ that can instantly change after the product is in the consumer's ownership? That after said change the majority of affected consumers requested no recourse?

To say one was suppose to to predict the nerf is not being fair...why could it not have been a buff to all other suits? That is just as logical. In fact, did not the Dev's say they want to "change" the logis more one day and give bonus's to equipment uses and such...in your logic no one should spec into logis because we are told they will change. Do you believe a company really wants to honestly sell a product and have consumers buy it with explicit knowledge it will change?

Dust seems to be more accurately selling place holders that can be nerfed and buffed at anytime...screw the customer.

I remember when I got nerfed I could not really kill anything

I hardly call Dropship specialist and AR fatty "uber"

I only even went AR because the HMG was / is in such horrendous shape.

Yet another instance of CCP making my decisions for me through sad sad balance.

I started specializing into something new. Now they are going to nerf it as well.

Should I just shrug and start skilling into something else?

Should I just skill everything up in order? In 5 or 6 years I'll be nerf proof.

That's less of a product of respecs and more of a product of CCP not knowing how to properly balance their FPS game.

If things were reasonably balanced and slowly iterated on, it wouldn't matter nearly as much.

Respecs or something like a respec is needed because it helps keep people from getting incredibly bored running the exact same thing every single game. No other modern FPS forces you to wait months on end to be reasonable in any given role. You can switch out, mix and match, and just go (in general).

In DUST, you're forced to wade through the same 5 matches for months to get anything "good", and you are rewarded with a little stat boost and the exact same gameplay you've been playing for months on end.

It's boring. That's the problem.

Letting people swap out their hard earned SP from time to time only hurts ego's.

Can any one name a product available to a consumer that requires time and/or $ that can instantly change after the product is in the consumer's ownership? That after said change the majority of affected consumers requested no recourse?

To say one was suppose to to predict the nerf is not being fair...why could it not have been a buff to all other suits? That is just as logical. In fact, did not the Dev's say they want to "change" the logis more one day and give bonus's to equipment uses and such...in your logic no one should spec into logis because we are told they will change. Do you believe a company really wants to honestly sell a product and have consumers buy it with explicit knowledge it will change?

Dust seems to be more accurately selling place holders that can be nerfed and buffed at anytime...screw the customer.

Halo, one of the most popular games out there, doesn't have a respec system.

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Crosstrain

I balanced my character ... assault type most in lvl 3 skills...

I am happy with it :) No regrets, no QQ since the Uprising respec :D

- X SP from Y skills

+X SP to Z skills

Profit?