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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
99
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Posted - 2013.08.17 02:03:00 -
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I could get behind a respec at 5 million SP but only if it expired at say 9 million SP. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
896
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:17:00 -
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Thor McStrut wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:One word
Crosstrain
Right cross train in a game that only rewards those who specialize. Genius Exactly. Start specializing in something new. You don't just rinse and reapply and get proto in something else without working for it. Quit being ******* lazy.
I started specializing into something new. Now they are going to nerf it as well.
Should I just shrug and start skilling into something else?
Should I just skill everything up in order? In 5 or 6 years I'll be nerf proof.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6160
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Posted - 2013.09.10 17:14:00 -
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Thor McStrut wrote:On a side note, stop speccing into what everyone else is using cus it's so uber. Spec into what you think is cool and fun to use. The challenge in this game is winning with what's not popular. It was a challenge to use the MD in an armor tanked suit during the **** days of Uprising 1.1. Now, it's kind of lame. So I'm training for scrambler pistols and rifles. You better believe that I didn't scrap my current character and start over though. That's just stupid. I hardly call Dropship specialist and AR fatty "uber"
I only even went AR because the HMG was / is in such horrendous shape.
Yet another instance of CCP making my decisions for me through sad sad balance. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
969
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:07:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.
EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed? Another ignore candidate excepted to the club. See ya...oh wait, no I won't. |
NOAMIzzzzz
BIG BAD W0LVES
39
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:13:00 -
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THEM FOTMS |
Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
393
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:20:00 -
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MCEINSTEIN08 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:One word
Crosstrain
Indeed, but by cross-training I am loosing over 3mil SPs that I can use right now. It took me a long time to get to Proto Logic, and now I am restarting a new Alt. Merc. Trials and errors is the only way you can get through DUST 514, no-one can tell you what is good or not, but by testing it yourself. So I tried but I did not care for it. Now I have a good load-out and enjoying the game again, but I had to restart all over again and leave behind almost 10mil SPs. Will take me months to get where I was. No matter the reasons, I do not understand the "No" Respec policy. Thank you. It took you going all the way to Prototype tier for "trial and error?" O.o
Look, and this applies to all people QQing for respecs. You chose to skill into that tree, regardless of your reasons. You knew that (Caldari Logi) had a certain number of slots, speed, equipment, etc. You knew all that and you skilled into it anyway. (Caldari Logi) could just as well have been Flaylock Pistol, Laser rifle, etc.
The point is that you knew what you were speccing into and you chose that. You decided that you liked that weapon, dropsuit, etc., play style--liked it enough to devote significant sp toward it. Don't QQ now that you needed 1.9 mil sp invested for "trial and error." Guess what--I know if I like something or not as soon as I spend sp to get level 1 of it. I knew that I didn't want to spec into MD after spending sp for level 1, buying the standard tier and moving on. Nobody who reasonably specs into something for "trial and error" is going to be stupid enough to spend all their sp to max it out, then complain that they didn't like their trial.
The simple fact of the matter is that you spent your sp because that is what/the style/the feeling/etc. you wanted to play. It's nobody else's fault--certainly not CCP's--that you specced into something because you were chasing FOTM, and it's definitely not their problem to correct for your stupidity.
It's been said over and over and over: spec into what you enjoy doing. Don't chase FOTM. The fact that you didn't heed this advice is no one's fault but your own. Deal with your terrible choices and stop QQing like it's everyone else's problem.
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Toby Flenderson
research lab The Superpowers
15
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:26:00 -
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The easiest solution to your problem would probably be to use the logistics specialized suit for a logistics role in the game. That or just spec into a new suit. It really doesn't take too long if you have boosters. Probably solve your problem faster than complaining about it on here. Also it would give people a chance to catch up to you SP wise. Might make the game more challenging for you. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab The Superpowers
16
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:32:00 -
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Ninjanomyx wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:One word
Crosstrain
One word.....IRRELEVANT!!!!!
This is actually completely relevant considering the entire issue here is that the OP is specialized in one dropsuit. I think this is a fair assumption on my part, otherwise I don't understand why they are complaining. Cross-training is the one-word solution to his problem. It's possibly the most relevant word on this thread |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
654
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:53:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.
EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed? Sounds like you spec'd into the flavor of the month.
Deal with it. |
Beck Weathers
High-Damage
40
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:07:00 -
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If you skilled into a logi, it is its own reward. just be a logibro FOTM are for none bros. |
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DJINN MUSTARD
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:07:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.
EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed? WAAAAAAAAAAA Cant kill mercs by the hundreds anymore? You POOR baby! No more RESPECS! Cant you read? |
General John Ripper
The Generals EoN.
2333
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:14:00 -
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October 27th confirmed. |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4539
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:16:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.
EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed?
I remember when I got nerfed I could not really kill anything |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
657
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:16:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:To all of you that say that respecs are bad, do you have a reason or are you just stating your opinion? I see nothing wrong with respecs, with all the changes they are making to this game.
You get unlimited SP. You can spec everything. Why do you have to be in such a hurry? Take a deep breath and just spend your next SP on what you want instead of qqing. The reason other game shave respec is that in other games you only have a limited amount of Skillpoints and can't spec everything. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3950
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:34:00 -
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ETA on respec?
NEVERGäó
Obviously. |
Minako Nakajima
Vortex State Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:40:00 -
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I balanced my character ... assault type most in lvl 3 skills...
I am happy with it :) No regrets, no QQ since the Uprising respec :D
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Rynoceros
Rise of Old Dudes
685
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:47:00 -
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1.6, with remaining Dropsuit frames. After remaining vehicles frames deploy in 1.5. |
Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
183
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:49:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:One word
Crosstrain
Crosstraining makes you immune to CCPs sporadic and random buffs and nerfs? Wow, I wish I knew that.
It also lets you have many variations on the same task so you're always playing differently. I've crossed into a scout suit and two logistics suits and an assault suit. Now I have many roles on the battlefield depending on what is needed at the time.
Only people who can't realize the fact that no skill point is ever wasted in this game will continue to fail. Be innovative bro. Learn2Play. |
Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
396
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:03:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:One word
Crosstrain
Crosstraining makes you immune to CCPs sporadic and random buffs and nerfs? Wow, I wish I knew that. It also lets you have many variations on the same task so you're always playing differently. I've crossed into a scout suit and two logistics suits and an assault suit. Now I have many roles on the battlefield depending on what is needed at the time. Only people who can't realize the fact that no skill point is ever wasted in this game will continue to fail. Be innovative bro. Learn2Play. It actually doesn't even take that much SP. You can get into basic frames cheaply (both isk and sp-wise), so it's relatively easy to literally try out every dropsuit/role.
This doesn't even take into account militia suits... |
Minako Nakajima
Vortex State Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:06:00 -
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Don't use what yooouuuu can't afford to loooooosssseeeeeeeeeee... |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3951
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:29:00 -
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Minako Nakajima wrote:Don't use what yooouuuu can't afford to loooooosssseeeeeeeeeee... This now includes SP... apparently... |
howard sanchez
Sanchez Cartage llc
736
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:37:00 -
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MocHolliday wrote:Can any one name a product available to a consumer that requires time and/or $ that can instantly change after the product is in the consumer's ownership? That after said change the majority of affected consumers requested no recourse?
To say one was suppose to to predict the nerf is not being fair...why could it not have been a buff to all other suits? That is just as logical. In fact, did not the Dev's say they want to "change" the logis more one day and give bonus's to equipment uses and such...in your logic no one should spec into logis because we are told they will change. Do you believe a company really wants to honestly sell a product and have consumers buy it with explicit knowledge it will change?
Dust seems to be more accurately selling place holders that can be nerfed and buffed at anytime...screw the customer. Whoa,whoa whoa there cowboy...DUST is selling you what? It's a free to play game. You might have purchased Aurum. I expect after your purchase you received Aurum. What you did with your purchase is your problem.
This is not the case of a merchant selling you something that they failed to deliver...this is a case of you changing your mind about what you want after a transaction that has NOTHINg to do with playing the game. Skill points are not purchasable for Aurum.
So quit with the," CCP owes me cuz I am a paying customer" crap |
howard sanchez
Sanchez Cartage llc
736
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:41:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.
EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed? I remember when I got nerfed I could not really kill anything And my KDR after 2 respecs since release and over 16 months playing DUST is 0.61. And I still have over 20 million sp
Point is: there is a lot more than 1 flavor at this ice cream stand |
Lillica Deathdealer
Mango and Friends
392
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:43:00 -
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Be a man, have 8 characters, at least half of em on separate PSNs -.o |
Thor McStrut
Reckoners
182
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:04:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote: I hardly call Dropship specialist and AR fatty "uber"
I only even went AR because the HMG was / is in such horrendous shape.
Yet another instance of CCP making my decisions for me through sad sad balance.
I know this is the current FPS attitude, but it will change, at least in those around this game. I'd be willing to bet you went AR on your fatty cuz currently, it's just better then the HMG at what you want to do, not necessarily at what the HMG excels at. I'm not an HMG user, but I die to enough of 'em that I know they are working in the CQC role. Watching an HMG heavy roll around the corner nearly always results in me respawning, unless he's already been severely damaged.
No comment on dropships. Since I've been around, they've never been good.
Thor Odinson42 wrote:I started specializing into something new. Now they are going to nerf it as well.
Should I just shrug and start skilling into something else?
Should I just skill everything up in order? In 5 or 6 years I'll be nerf proof.
Yes. That is exactly what you should do, and that is what CCP is most likely expecting from you. They don't want you to jump ship to the next FoTM shooter like every other gamer, they want you to stick around for the long haul, for the 10 year anniversary.
If everyone stopped trying to be spec'd into whatever the current best build is, or the current best weapon is, no one would be asking for respecs.
When you get bored, or want to try another play style, or weapon, or race, work towards it. Don't demand it now.
It took me all of 3 weeks to spec into the Adv. Commando and 'Neo' Proto variant, and I don't even cap. (honestly, I can't stand playing the game that much, and I don't earn enough SP per game to even come close, I usually have at least 100K left to go) I was going to wait for the Gallente heavy to be released, but I couldn't. So I spent my SP into Amarr heavies. If they release the Gal heavy this week or next, you might see me here demanding my SP back. But if it's 1.5 or later, I'll be just fine with my choice. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
656
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Posted - 2013.09.11 01:37:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock wrote:Respecs would break the game to an extent beyond repair. Odd, all the respecs we've had before never seemed to "break the game to an extent beyond repair". They did however seem to renew many players interest in the game, at least for a while. Arguably, the rise of the "Cal Logi" game-breaking-FOTM **** people complain about can be attributed to the availability of the LAST respec we got That's less of a product of respecs and more of a product of CCP not knowing how to properly balance their FPS game. If things were reasonably balanced and slowly iterated on, it wouldn't matter nearly as much. Respecs or something like a respec is needed because it helps keep people from getting incredibly bored running the exact same thing every single game. No other modern FPS forces you to wait months on end to be reasonable in any given role. You can switch out, mix and match, and just go (in general). In DUST, you're forced to wade through the same 5 matches for months to get anything "good", and you are rewarded with a little stat boost and the exact same gameplay you've been playing for months on end. It's boring. That's the problem. Letting people swap out their hard earned SP from time to time only hurts ego's. Vehicle operators seem to be the ones not crying respec simply to get to the next flavor of the month. The legitimate reason we want a respec is because skills are going to be added, changed and removed, and modules are going to be added, changed and removed. Hulls might be changed.
Wanting a respec because your suit's bonus was changed slightly doesn't warrant as a good enough reason. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
656
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Posted - 2013.09.11 01:42:00 -
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MocHolliday wrote:Can any one name a product available to a consumer that requires time and/or $ that can instantly change after the product is in the consumer's ownership? That after said change the majority of affected consumers requested no recourse?
To say one was suppose to to predict the nerf is not being fair...why could it not have been a buff to all other suits? That is just as logical. In fact, did not the Dev's say they want to "change" the logis more one day and give bonus's to equipment uses and such...in your logic no one should spec into logis because we are told they will change. Do you believe a company really wants to honestly sell a product and have consumers buy it with explicit knowledge it will change?
Dust seems to be more accurately selling place holders that can be nerfed and buffed at anytime...screw the customer. LOL Go away
Tons of people were abusing the TAR. It got nerfed. Tons of people abused the flaylock. It got nerfed. Tons of people abused the Cal Logi. It got nerfed.
Back when you needed a beta key, tons of people abused the swarm launcher because it had a dumb fire option. It got removed because most of both teams abused it. Plus, it screwed up the game as a whole with lag / latency issues.
Why shouldn't something that the playerbase abuses get nerfed? |
Mortedeamor
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
237
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Posted - 2013.09.11 01:44:00 -
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almighty wtf common dude |
Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
237
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Posted - 2013.09.11 01:50:00 -
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I remember in EVE I spent months speccing into an Arazu. All associated skills to V and everything. The day after I finished the last skill, BAM nerf bat. Got to use it at it's former glory 1 time on a corp roam. Guess what, no resepec, I moved on and found another ship to be useful in. Save for the ship skill itself all those other skills still serve my character well to this day. |
Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
2214
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Posted - 2013.09.11 01:53:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:One word
Crosstrain
You guys with your Eve mentality will be the reason why this game fails. People need respecs, get on board or GTFO. Halo, one of the most popular games out there, doesn't have a respec system.
lolwut.
Halo doesn't have a massive grind to get into a ridiculously high SP sink skill tree. Why did you think this was a good comparison? |
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