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Posted - 2013.08.15 15:29:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:One word
Crosstrain
Crosstraining makes you immune to CCPs sporadic and random buffs and nerfs?
Wow, I wish I knew that. |
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Posted - 2013.08.15 15:40:00 -
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Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock wrote:Respecs would break the game to an extent beyond repair.
Odd, all the respecs we've had before never seemed to "break the game to an extent beyond repair". They did however seem to renew many players interest in the game, at least for a while.
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Posted - 2013.08.15 15:47:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock wrote:Respecs would break the game to an extent beyond repair. Odd, all the respecs we've had before never seemed to "break the game to an extent beyond repair". They did however seem to renew many players interest in the game, at least for a while. Arguably, the rise of the "Cal Logi" game-breaking-FOTM **** people complain about can be attributed to the availability of the LAST respec we got 
That's less of a product of respecs and more of a product of CCP not knowing how to properly balance their FPS game.
If things were reasonably balanced and slowly iterated on, it wouldn't matter nearly as much.
Respecs or something like a respec is needed because it helps keep people from getting incredibly bored running the exact same thing every single game. No other modern FPS forces you to wait months on end to be reasonable in any given role. You can switch out, mix and match, and just go (in general).
In DUST, you're forced to wade through the same 5 matches for months to get anything "good", and you are rewarded with a little stat boost and the exact same gameplay you've been playing for months on end.
It's boring. That's the problem.
Letting people swap out their hard earned SP from time to time only hurts ego's. |
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Posted - 2013.08.15 16:26:00 -
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low genius wrote:respecs cannot help anyone if you take math into account.
- X SP from Y skills
+X SP to Z skills
Profit? |
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Posted - 2013.08.15 17:37:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:sick of having 5Mil SP wasted because my suit build got nerfed.
EDIT: If my decisions have permanence why do I get nerfed? when you buy a house and the housing market gets a "nerf" do you get your money back? when you go to college for a particular profession and then 20 years later that profession has drasctic changes that require further education does your college owe you those classes for free? if you cant find a job in that profession does the college owe you a refund? when you buy a car and then the next year a better model comes out for the same price do you get to just trade the old one in for the brand new one at no extra cost? if the price of that car you bought comes down in value do you get a check from the dealer for the difference? life is full of permanent decisions your stuck with... grow up and get used to it.... 
It's almost as if when I sign onto my GAME, I expect to play my GAME and enjoy the GAME that I'm playing specifically because it's a GAME and not real life.
In real life you rarely buy a new car only to drive it home and when it gets in the driveway, it magically becomes a broken down beater that no one likes. |
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:39:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:SteelDark Knight wrote:Scrappy Bernard wrote:
Wouldn't nerfs to classes in WoW be similar cases where people paid money to get **** and then they nerfed abilities or skills of the class? Whats the difference?
Cannot claim to have ever played WOW but from a quick Google search it appears they have a Respec option? To the point players where swapping skill sets between boss fights less than 5 minutes apart. Which goes back to my pay to win argument a guy with 10,000 USD can easily just rearrange skills between fights in a tournament if he had too just to make it difficult for opponents to know what his fit is, team with the most RL money can repsec the fastest.
Yet you still have to play whatever you spec'd into
Ok, so they dropped X amount of dollars into CCPs account.
Now your spy information is either invalid, or invaluable if you still have an active spy, since obviously you have a spy or else you wouldn't be too concerned about what they were running to the extent where you know that teams composition in any meaningful way.
So now this team has dumped a bunch of money to toss around their skills. All the equipment, or much of it, that they had before is now invalid. With a player market they can turn around and sell that back, and create new business as they have to buy new gear to fit their new skills.
I'm not even arguing for a system that would give you such freedom, it's absurd, but I also feel that your point was kind of absurd.
Also with WoW, those "respecs" are in game currency, or at least they were however many years ago it was that I actually had an account >_< Ahhh....WoW....people got very consumed with that game.... |
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Posted - 2013.08.15 21:04:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Yet you still have to play whatever you spec'd into
Ok, so they dropped X amount of dollars into CCPs account.
Now your spy information is either invalid, or invaluable if you still have an active spy, since obviously you have a spy or else you wouldn't be too concerned about what they were running to the extent where you know that teams composition in any meaningful way.
So now this team has dumped a bunch of money to toss around their skills. All the equipment, or much of it, that they had before is now invalid. With a player market they can turn around and sell that back, and create new business as they have to buy new gear to fit their new skills.
I'm not even arguing for a system that would give you such freedom, it's absurd, but I also feel that your point was kind of absurd.
Also with WoW, those "respecs" are in game currency, or at least they were however many years ago it was that I actually had an account >_< Ahhh....WoW....people got very consumed with that game.... No matter how good of a sales they are if its bad to for the community its bad despite sales and gives CCP the very wrong idea of how to go forward on their microtransactions. For example the flaylock contact grenade sale at the height of their imbalanced perception and the dropship sales at their lowest perception (which still hasn't really bounded back up.) Also any team well versed in the 'stance dance' will have invalid fits pre-saved and equipment pre-stocked and skill layout pre-charted so they can easily swap over in the normal 5 minute gap.
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Posted - 2013.08.16 20:20:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:This is why I say invoking the idea that "In Eve people do x" doesn't work. They won't be on the forums asking for a respec when a ship gets yanked out from under them. They will be scrambling to find, get their coalitions training and supplied with, then deploy the newest set of "best numbers" ASAP. The fact that we have these threads shows that part of that is here as well. They just lack the follow through to keep the chase going.
The big difference is that when something gets nerfed in EVE, you have TONS of options left. Even within each skill bracket, you have multiple ships available to you, multiple playstyles.
In DUST, you shoot the other dood. If your ability to shoot the other dood is nerfed, your entire gaming experience with DUST is nerfed until you build up enough SP to try something else in the hopes that it isn't nerfed.
The big problem is lack of true diversity and things to do. |
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Posted - 2013.09.10 17:14:00 -
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Thor McStrut wrote:On a side note, stop speccing into what everyone else is using cus it's so uber. Spec into what you think is cool and fun to use. The challenge in this game is winning with what's not popular. It was a challenge to use the MD in an armor tanked suit during the **** days of Uprising 1.1. Now, it's kind of lame. So I'm training for scrambler pistols and rifles. You better believe that I didn't scrap my current character and start over though. That's just stupid. 
I hardly call Dropship specialist and AR fatty "uber"
I only even went AR because the HMG was / is in such horrendous shape.
Yet another instance of CCP making my decisions for me through sad sad balance. |
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