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Promethius Franklin
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.15 21:46:00 -
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SteelDark Knight wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:when you buy a house and the housing market gets a "nerf" do you get your money back? when you go to college for a particular profession and then 20 years later that profession has drasctic changes that require further education does your college owe you those classes for free? if you cant find a job in that profession does the college owe you a refund? when you buy a car and then the next year a better model comes out for the same price do you get to just trade the old one in for the brand new one at no extra cost? if the price of that car you bought comes down in value do you get a check from the dealer for the difference? life is full of permanent decisions your stuck with... grow up and get used to it....  Seymour, with all due respect I could use this same line to argue for the changing and non-refund of Aurum items you argued against? How is this any different? If I pay for boosters than invest that SP into skills that are changed how am I less affected? The fact is this is a consumer product and a live service that has to be responsive and fair to its customer base. So far below average reviews and a limited concurrent user base of only roughly 4K means they arenGÇÖt doing something right. I am all for choices having consequences. There is value in that and players can respect it. However, that is a lie if that choice is false and the only real choice is CCPGÇÖs. Do not punish players for CCPGÇÖs errors and donGÇÖt blame players for them either. Note: I do not use any of the items in question.
But there is blame to be spread here in a way regarding the reason for the ops complaint. Fact is he used a suit for it's capabilities outside of it's role. We can and are saying that the balance of the suit is CCP's fault, but it's the individual players who trained for it and used it outside of it's intended place. They chose to make large SP allocations to something clearly broken. And those that got there prior to the nerf got what they paid for, a temporary combat advantage which likely translated into additional rewards for that increased performance. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.16 02:21:00 -
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SteelDark Knight wrote:
CCP themselves released a promotional video showing how Dust 514 was different from other FPS games. As an example they showed how one could use a heavy frame to snipe. In this they showed that you could turn the tables on your foes whom expected a GÇ£typicalGÇ¥ glass cannon. How is it that CCP themselves can point to this great adaptability and custom ability and yet we as players cannot?
The fact is that all items are a set of slot placements, CPU and PG, and certain other variables that may shift it towards a role. Anything else is fluff. If you want to armor tank a Scout suit than that is your right regardless of what the GÇ£optimalGÇ¥ intended role should be. It is part of what CCP they use to promote the great sandbox that is Eve. It is CCPGÇÖs job to provide balance GÇô not the players. In this game related to the other often dubbed GÇ£Spreadsheets in spaceGÇ¥ how am I to blame the player for looking at numbers and picking the best option? CCP themselves advertise this as a GÇ£featureGÇ¥
Sadly, we again blame and punish players vs. developers for the use of unbalanced items.
"Here is your sandbox, but, don't play with that, or that, or that, because I in my glorious opinion deem it to be overpowered and the great nerf bat cometh."
The fact is that CCP dropped the ball. It happens and IGÇÖm not going to beat them up for it. They are going to make changes to bring things in line with the lessons learned. However, it is simply in my mind not a situation were you say HTFU to the player for doing exactly what your supposed to do. The accountability is CCPGÇÖs an punishing players as if they are accountable for balancing mistakes as CCP works via trial and error to get things right is not smart business.
No one is expecting the players to provide balance. No one is asking that. And what I am particularly saying is that training for FOTM wasn't inherently wrong, but that it's a weighed decision. Be OP now at the risk of nerfs later, or take a different route and wait for your turn in the sun. It's just like all the other choices. Diversify or specialize. X race or y. It's just another decision. The kicker is that for some reason, despite reaping the temporary rewards of this choice, some of the people who made it want it undone. They played the SP game and knew what they were getting. This is in no way more a punishment for some of them training Cal logi than it was for me training Gal assault.
And yet, the great thing is that the sand is still intact. I don't see rules stating you can't put a Duvole on a cal logi anymore. Nor do I see something preventing you from stacking complex extenders. But being forced to make choices in no way diminishes the flexibility of the system.
And please stop talking about EvE as if it helps your point. Over there the answer to "I got nerfed" is crosstrain. The answer to reallocation of SP is GTFO. And the idea of chasing numbers means continuing to train, not getting a respec because your cheese got moved. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University
Ivy League
170
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Posted - 2013.08.16 20:09:00 -
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SteelDark Knight wrote:Quote:And please stop talking about EvE as if it helps your point. Sadly, I was only trying to point to the fact that looking at numbers and making decisions based on that is not a bad thing. This is actually something that needs addressed the most regarding comparisons to EvE. I touched on this point, but allow me to state more explicitly, numbers in eve do not remain static.
Yes, people go where the numbers point, and those same people are still doing the same thing after years of play because the goal post keeps being moved. Right now the ships in eve are undergoing in some cases radical transformations. Those numbers people are chasing are being reevaluated constantly. This time last year Megathron and Domi fleets weren't really a thing people did seriously. This year we have people stating the domi tracking makes it to good and fleets are on the resurgence and baltec(megathron) fleets being used in force by the CFC.
This is why I say invoking the idea that "In Eve people do x" doesn't work. They won't be on the forums asking for a respec when a ship gets yanked out from under them. They will be scrambling to find, get their coalitions training and supplied with, then deploy the newest set of "best numbers" ASAP. The fact that we have these threads shows that part of that is here as well. They just lack the follow through to keep the chase going. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University
Ivy League
170
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Posted - 2013.08.16 23:06:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:One word
Crosstrain
Right cross train in a game that only rewards those who specialize. Genius
Given the nerf complaints, being nerf proof does seem like a pretty big reward. |
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