That's why I said that I want the gunner to be much more protected. It makes no sense that the design of the future vehicle gives its soldiers less protection than a modern real world LAV gives. The Dust mercs are basically using Somalian Technicals.

If you have a similar amount of (or even a little more) armor, and the gunner isn't so exposed, the LAV could stop, the gunner could be used to suppress, and everyone else could jump out, capture the point, then ride off happily into the sunset. Instead of this barreling into a base, hoping to clip someone with your side view mirror for 10,000 health nonsense.

And your forge gun example is silly. You just described a situation where the LAV should lose. The whole point of the forge gun is to take out vehicles.

That's why I said that I want the gunner to be much more protected. It makes no sense that the design of the future vehicle gives its soldiers less protection than a modern real world LAV gives. The Dust mercs are basically using Somalian Technicals.

If you have a similar amount of (or even a little more) armor, and the gunner isn't so exposed, the LAV could stop, the gunner could be used to suppress, and everyone else could jump out, capture the point, then ride off happily into the sunset. Instead of this barreling into a base, hoping to clip someone with your side view mirror for 10,000 health nonsense.

And your forge gun example is silly. You just described a situation where the LAV should lose. The whole point of the forge gun is to take out vehicles.

250,000 ISK it's SMGs.
Anyways, I remember the good ol days and I like the current physics, but you know, I'm willing to compromise to prevent what happened to so many weapons and dropsuits. Nerfed out of existence.

250,000 ISK it's SMGs.
Anyways, I remember the good ol days and I like the current physics, but you know, I'm willing to compromise to prevent what happened to so many weapons and dropsuits. Nerfed out of existence.

Wanna give me my ISK right now? Went 15/3 with a completely standard laser fit; 2 deaths were because I ran out of ammo.
Dumbass AR users didn't even try getting into CQC. They just stood still and shot back at my optimal.

And force LAVs to take damage from a full speed hit. Not bumper damage but engine and underside fire damage from running over the person. Make the LAV have to pay too for a dumbed down kill.

Couldn't disagree more.

They used to be coffins because a single AV nade would kill it before it got to you. They are murder taxis now because they have enough health to get through that single AV nade. Even if you're prepared for handling one, if you happen to be on about 90% of a Dust map where you're in an open field, you're looking at a pretty high likelihood of getting bumpered.

I don't think LAVs should die in a single nade. But I also don't think LAVs should be feared because of their front bumper, not the gun on top. That's why the perfect solution (that everyone seems to disagree with for some unexplainable reason) is to remove collision damage from LAVs.

like im gona stop my LAV right when im about to kill you in the middle of the road so i can switch places from driver seat , to passanger seat and the turret so i can kill you with LAV turret...untill i do that you gone , oh and lets not forget that when you switch to turret from driver seat you get the turret camera looking back of the LAV not ahead like the turret show

like im gona stop my LAV right when im about to kill you in the middle of the road so i can switch places from driver seat , to passanger seat and the turret so i can kill you with LAV turret...untill i do that you gone , oh and lets not forget that when you switch to turret from driver seat you get the turret camera looking back of the LAV not ahead like the turret shows

you CANNOT remove damage colision

do you know the difference betewen blunt and piercing damage?

srsly , your crusade against LAV's is boring and without any valid facts

go play a FPS without vehicules or adapt

Sounds like you should go play a single player FPS, homie.

I'm all for nerfing the maneuverability in making a turn and enlarging the collision box (or whatever you call it).

Also, acceleration is way to quick. What are these things, Formula 1 race cars?

LAV's shouldn't be able to use the hardeners, resistance mods etc to pad their health WAY above what the intel states. They should be like dropsuits, if the health says 3000 HP for shields, then that is what it ought to be. Rather than how it is now, it says 3000 HP, but with all the mods activated, is really 15k worth of HP.

The sad thing is almost no LAV drivers fit them for anything other than murder taxiing. No one realizes how good the blaster on an LAV can be, 3 or 4 days ago I was gunning in my corp mates LAV and went 48-1. Saga, 2 damage mods, protoblaster and I don't even have any of the small turret skills the funny thing was my one death was a redline suicide when we got greedy trying to get a sniper.

LAV driver in both chrome and uprise here.

Here's the problems and differences I see.

First, in chrome LLAV was level 5 LAV x8 multiplier which next to no one went for due to meths and sagas unlocking at level 1 and there being no advantage to level 2, 3, and 4. It was a hell of an SP sink for something that was considered a moving death trap.

Second. I had pimped out meths and sagas. Running close to 200k. These things were beast and most games that I pulled them out I would keep them. However, there was no return, and there was another trap that I'll touch on next.

Third. In chrome, often an enemy would get stuck in your grill immobilizing you until he faded out. You were a sitting duck for as much as 20 seconds. This never happens now.

And last, the shield resistance on the cal LLAV is ridiculous. 36% natural? On a vehicle that can tank up to ~3k? Fitted right this think can have over 5k effective shield.

I have no problems killing armor LLAVs, but the Cal is practically indestructible.

not true. I do know the insiders who continue to use LAVs around turrets and teamwork. However I can almost guarantee; if it's Charybdis, it's a Murder Taxi.


Ok, again I don't want to talk about the merits of Health on LAVs, I want to talk acceleration talk.
However since you were a fellow LAV chromosome driver I can respect your opinion/take it seriously but I would really want your opinion on the acceleration nerf discussed in the first post because you, like your fellows, would understand better than most.

I humbly disagree. Currently, as a turret gunner in a LAV, I can regularly get 6+ kills per match. What you need is a good driver that is willing to give up his/her 'free' kill and put you right up on a target. Then they need to watch your health as you go to town, and lastly, get you out of harms way in time. The driver I ride with most of the time actually jokes about being mad at me for regularly getting more kills than him in HIS vehicle. Again, skill, good fits, and lots of practice make for a better player and les QQing. Again, my experience and YMMV.

Diabolito

I think if they brought back the mercs in wheel wells that would be enough to fix the murder taxi problem. Right now fools can call in LLAVs with little or no fear of losing a 200k investment. If they were were under the constant threat of losing that kind of ISK every time they ran over someone, the problem go away.

Has anyone tried using counter-LAVs? I've got a Methana with a compressed railgun that I bring out whenever the Reds have too many LAVs. It can take out most in just a few shots and I can occasionally snipe the driver out of his seat. The only problems I have with this tactic are those damn seat-hogging blueberries.

Everyone is wrong unless they mentioned Lavs being almost nearly impossible to drive.

Late in chromosome we discovered jovians made lavs handle with some consistency and the murder taxi was born.

av grenade fix, lav HP increase, bored tankers, all this helped make it popular.

Murder taxi was born in chromosome.