As I walk through the valley of the shadow of Dust, I will fear no murder taxi. For Lai Dai's are with me

Yeah, sometimes their acceleration is too ridiculous for words but it doesn't bother me too much outside of the occasional AV nade missing the mark, which is perfectly normal.

I would maybe be in favor of a minor tweak, for the sake of the true LAVs being lighter and more nimble than the working man's LLAV in most fits, but overall I feel like they're not terrible, just abused.

Couldn't disagree more.

They used to be coffins because a single AV nade would kill it before it got to you. They are murder taxis now because they have enough health to get through that single AV nade. Even if you're prepared for handling one, if you happen to be on about 90% of a Dust map where you're in an open field, you're looking at a pretty high likelihood of getting bumpered.

I don't think LAVs should die in a single nade. But I also don't think LAVs should be feared because of their front bumper, not the gun on top. That's why the perfect solution (that everyone seems to disagree with for some unexplainable reason) is to remove collision damage from LAVs.

LAVs weren't UP, if they were it was just barely. I think we ran them together often enough to know that.

Removing collision damage just feels like too much of a bandaid. Skydivers don't have the ability to just turn off fall damage to make it more convenient to sky dive and it would feel kind of cheap if they just removed the damage of being hit at 80mph by a 3 ton vehicle

This bumper cars **** is a clear example of shoddy game design. I'm sure CCP didn't expect or want it to be playing out the way that it is, but that's why they need to reconsider some things and make some gameplay improving tweaks.

Its ON for enemy bullets, grenades, turrets, etc. Its OFF for collision to promote the LAVs to be used as light armored troop transports with a gun on top.

In what way, other than the cattle cry of "it doesn't make sense", would this not totally and utterly fix LAVs to be what they're described as by CCP?

As a frontline Logi and occasional LLAV turret gunner, I think that LAVs are fine as is. Since the removal of free cars, I am seeing more Saga murder-taxi's than LLAV murder-taxi's. Yes, I DO get pissed when I am run over, BUT it reminds me to check my play style and then adapt-and-overcome. Play with a good squad and you will fear no one!!! No murder-taxi, HAV, HMG, or redline sniper!! Our squad regularly takes down all types of vehicles!! Heck, just last night we took down 2 Charybids in one match. And as an added bonus, they were in the enemy spawn AND we hacked them!! There are many more options than just sitting around getting run over and then complaining. Just my $.02 ISK.
Diabolito

You can't fix stupid. Most of the community never learn for themselves, but instead chase the FOTM.
How much do you wanna bet lasers are next (again)?

May be good since there is the option to skill up overdrive and nitrous. This could bring the acceleration back up to what it is now allowing a 'perk' to those that decide to put all their skillpoints into vehicles.

Diabolito

I'm all for nerfing the maneuverability in making a turn and enlarging the collision box (or whatever you call it).

Also, acceleration is way to quick. What are these things, Formula 1 race cars?

LAV's shouldn't be able to use the hardeners, resistance mods etc to pad their health WAY above what the intel states. They should be like dropsuits, if the health says 3000 HP for shields, then that is what it ought to be. Rather than how it is now, it says 3000 HP, but with all the mods activated, is really 15k worth of HP.

The sad thing is almost no LAV drivers fit them for anything other than murder taxiing. No one realizes how good the blaster on an LAV can be, 3 or 4 days ago I was gunning in my corp mates LAV and went 48-1. Saga, 2 damage mods, protoblaster and I don't even have any of the small turret skills the funny thing was my one death was a redline suicide when we got greedy trying to get a sniper.

LAV driver in both chrome and uprise here.

Here's the problems and differences I see.

First, in chrome LLAV was level 5 LAV x8 multiplier which next to no one went for due to meths and sagas unlocking at level 1 and there being no advantage to level 2, 3, and 4. It was a hell of an SP sink for something that was considered a moving death trap.

Second. I had pimped out meths and sagas. Running close to 200k. These things were beast and most games that I pulled them out I would keep them. However, there was no return, and there was another trap that I'll touch on next.

Third. In chrome, often an enemy would get stuck in your grill immobilizing you until he faded out. You were a sitting duck for as much as 20 seconds. This never happens now.

And last, the shield resistance on the cal LLAV is ridiculous. 36% natural? On a vehicle that can tank up to ~3k? Fitted right this think can have over 5k effective shield.

I have no problems killing armor LLAVs, but the Cal is practically indestructible.

I think if they brought back the mercs in wheel wells that would be enough to fix the murder taxi problem. Right now fools can call in LLAVs with little or no fear of losing a 200k investment. If they were were under the constant threat of losing that kind of ISK every time they ran over someone, the problem go away.

Has anyone tried using counter-LAVs? I've got a Methana with a compressed railgun that I bring out whenever the Reds have too many LAVs. It can take out most in just a few shots and I can occasionally snipe the driver out of his seat. The only problems I have with this tactic are those damn seat-hogging blueberries.

Everyone is wrong unless they mentioned Lavs being almost nearly impossible to drive.

Late in chromosome we discovered jovians made lavs handle with some consistency and the murder taxi was born.

av grenade fix, lav HP increase, bored tankers, all this helped make it popular.

Murder taxi was born in chromosome.

My saga from chrome disagrees.

Granted you had to hit them directly with your hood or with rear tires during a slideout out of fear from the wheel well trap.

It's just gotten more popular and slightly easier. Ever wince the jovian discovery the murder taxi existed.

I like this idea, one thing still bothers me though. I thought they were called Light Attack Vehicles, not Light Armor Vehicles.

People who are hit should have the same thing happen to them as when a teammate rams them.

You get pushed around, its annoying as hell, then you move on with your day.