Murder taxi in Chromosome was called [Starter Fit] and was spammed because it was free but was paper soft.
Basically no one had an LAV above Militia, and even fewer with LLAVs.
Chromosome's murder taxi business was chicken **** compared to Uprising's.

My saga from chrome disagrees.

Granted you had to hit them directly with your hood or with rear tires during a slideout out of fear from the wheel well trap.

It's just gotten more popular and slightly easier. Ever wince the jovian discovery the murder taxi existed.

Talking about reworking AV and vehicles, it seems to me who has not had much experience with AV grendades but has used every other AV weapon that AV grenades are OP. If you toned down AV grenades and brought them in line with designated primary AV weapons (forge, swarm, and yes - even PC) which by definition should be more effective than AV grenades, only then can we start talking about nerfing/toning down vehicles - primarily LAVs.

Couldn't disagree more.

They used to be coffins because a single AV nade would kill it before it got to you. They are murder taxis now because they have enough health to get through that single AV nade. Even if you're prepared for handling one, if you happen to be on about 90% of a Dust map where you're in an open field, you're looking at a pretty high likelihood of getting bumpered.

I don't think LAVs should die in a single nade. But I also don't think LAVs should be feared because of their front bumper, not the gun on top. That's why the perfect solution (that everyone seems to disagree with for some unexplainable reason) is to remove collision damage from LAVs.

What was the key factor in transition from chromosome to Uprising that turned UP to "OP"?
Acceleration.
Last build LAVs did not go from 0 to 60 in 1.4 seconds, but now they do.
Last build you only got run over if you were in their way. Now it's like playing matador, you dodge them, turn and they've already turned around and going damn fast.

However we can't just send LAVs back to the dark ages, even though I found a couple successful Methana fits back then, the physics were wack and handling was terrible.

To solve this Murder Taxi business just tone down the acceleration and leave road-kill business to Scout LAVs, because at least their lack of health explains the acceleration.

Back in the day LAVs were UP. Take notes of the transition and you can identify what went wrong.
This is technically a nerf to LAVs but I think we can find acceleration nerf in good taste.
In terms of how much I'd say less acceleration than now, more than Chromosome.

2 solutions when combines would fix the murder taxi problem:

1) collision damage works both ways, since you are ramming a super suit it would make sence that the LAV should take substancial damage when ramming one, a 1:1 correlation would fix using LAV's as murder taxi's would end quick with this change.

2) On top of that CCP should bring back having the bodies of the LAV victims getting stuck in the LAV's wheels forcing the LAV to a crawl while it grinds away the reamians of the body. I think removing this mechanic is the prome reason LAV's have been so successful in Uprising. LAV's (especially LLAV's) have a tremendous amount of tank to go along with enough speed to escape even the best AV weapons. With this mechaninc in place LAV's will think twice before running into a pack of players as they might become a sitting duck for a few seconds.

Ok but lets remember the Chromosome days and what not to fall back on.

People say collision damage should be remove or mutual etc, but think of collision attacks as no more than the Vehicle melee. Let's also remember that:
LAV Health > The Best Heavy's Health

I think that collision mechanics are just a part of the world of vehicles, I've been run over by a tank for god's sake (did not appear on radar fast enough). Now I understand LAVs chief protection is their speed and agility but you can't nerf the LAV health without boosting speed/agility.

Back in early chromosome, I outfitted a Jovian on my Methana and discovered that I could outrun swarm launchers.
That is not very possible anymore and people speak of nerfing the health of LAVs, primarily because of LLAVs.



People are not roadkilled because of vehicle health. If that was so, the HAV would be the roadkill king. The root of roadkilling is speed and agility. So here's my suggestion:
-Reduce overall acceleration of LAVs, let Scout LAVs remain untouched. Nerf to between Chromosome and Uprising.
-Reduce top speed and acceleration off LLAVs further. Their health must come at a mobility price.
+Buff Acceleration Module Efficacy
-Nerf PG/CPU requirements conservatively on said modules
This way acceleration is not deleted from the books but it comes as an alternative to health. Allow these modules to outrun swarms so mobility is still available if not even more so but it comes at a price of health and whatnots.

Some people rely on the Light part in LAV, the agility and speed. Others rely on the Armor part in LAV, being able sustain a good amount of damage before bookin' it (when I say rely on armor I mean to a degree, otherwise they'd be HAV drivers). They are Light Armor Vehicles and will always be sub-HAV health but always have superior agility and whatnot.

I like this idea, one thing still bothers me though. I thought they were called Light Attack Vehicles, not Light Armor Vehicles.

Thats fine! Nerf my LAV! I will drag your azzes to the redzone!

If collision damage is removed, then people who are hit should not be able to
-move
-shoot
-reload
-jump
-see
-throw grenades
-enter any vehicle if nearby

People who are hit should have the same thing happen to them as when a teammate rams them.

You get pushed around, its annoying as hell, then you move on with your day.

People who are hit should have the same thing happen to them as when a teammate rams them.

You get pushed around, its annoying as hell, then you move on with your day.

thats because there is no FF , crusader boy