This poll isn't to cry that it's OP. It's to prove a point, how many of you would say the Assault Rifle out guns every gun in the game. Even with the game has a crappy aiming system and major hit detection issues the Assault Rfile is still effective in short to mid and mid to long distances. Imagine how much more accurate it'll be when they fix the aiming system and hit detection. No need for snipers (no not including red zone, but the real support snipers that help out). The assault rifle is more deadlier than even the mass driver. The assault rifle holds the most advantages over any gun. No troll just simply reply yes or no that the assault rifle has the most advantages over any gun. Not saying it's OP but saying that it's the most effective weapon in the game in almost all situations. Yes or No people. Keep the debates clean and please if you're going to debate make sure you have a strong point.


Yes:
Me











NO:

Yes it's OP. It has no real downsides and far too many upsides.

The only reason not to use the AR is if you don't want to be an AR crutch wielder.

Can we, the Dust community, stop this back and forth silliness. The MD vs. AR dead horse has already been beaten to an unrecognizable pulp. Backlash type threads like this do nothing to help. Can we please try to make some better threads with real discussion rather than getting bogged down in this crap?

Can we, the Dust community, stop this back and forth silliness. The MD vs. AR dead horse has already been beaten to an unrecognizable pulp. Backlash type threads like this do nothing to help. Can we please try to make some better threads with real discussion rather than getting bogged down in this crap?

No, the other light weapons need a buff, except MDs, Swarm Launchers and Snipers. The gun is just doing its job and feels like any other gun from other FPSs. In Chromosome it was OP because of the light sharpshooter skill, which made it jack of all trades master of all. Now I just laugh at its poor range.

-Scrambler Rifles need more range
-Shotguns more damage
-Plasma Cannons more damage and missile travel speed
-Laser Rifles more range and less heat build-up, should overheat at 20 ammo like in Chromosome

With those buffs the other light weapons can shine in their niche and you won't see as many ARs. But ARs aren't OP is the other light weapons that are crap.

-XOXO

Or another way to look at it is this: If you have a battle between 32 snipers, forge guns, or mass drivers, the gameplay is going to suck (not everyone will agree with this...). A battle between 32 ARs is going to be just fine, whether you find it boring or not. That's why it is the default weapon for most people, and will always be the most common choice.

So no, I can't give you a yes or no answer because you are not asking the right question.

Yes it's OP. It has no real downsides and far too many upsides.

The only reason not to use the AR is if you don't want to be an AR crutch wielder.

To me, what you describe as "fine" gameplay is the entire problem. That's the epitome of brainless, no tactics lowbrow FPS. I hope Dust never even comes close to this.

I wouldn't say its op, it just lacks any downside unlike pretty much every other weapon in the game which have things quick limit them, overheats, charge up times, visibly giving away your position etc. Give the AR something that limits it like a shorter range or an overheat or a slower rate of fire. Weapons need something to limit them otherwise they become something of a jack of all trades.

I wouldn't say its op, it just lacks any downside unlike pretty much every other weapon in the game which have things quick limit them, overheats, charge up times, visibly giving away your position etc. Give the AR something that limits it like a shorter range or an overheat or a slower rate of fire. Weapons need something to limit them otherwise they become something of a jack of all trades.

I wouldn't say its op, it just lacks any downside unlike pretty much every other weapon in the game which have things quick limit them, overheats, charge up times, visibly giving away your position etc. Give the AR something that limits it like a shorter range or an overheat or a slower rate of fire. Weapons need something to limit them otherwise they become something of a jack of all trades.

If you limit it, it becomes underpowered.
The weapons that have these limiting factors?
They pay for having immense power in one way.

Scrambler rifles have DPS that rivals that of tanks, but their overheat limits them, as an example.
If you reduce the range, you need ot increase the DPS.

This poll isn't to cry that it's OP. It's to prove a point, how many of you would say the Assault Rifle out guns every gun in the game. Even with the game has a crappy aiming system and major hit detection issues the Assault Rfile is still effective in short to mid and mid to long distances. Imagine how much more accurate it'll be when they fix the aiming system and hit detection. No need for snipers (no not including red zone, but the real support snipers that help out). The assault rifle is more deadlier than even the mass driver. The assault rifle holds the most advantages over any gun. No troll just simply reply yes or no that the assault rifle has the most advantages over any gun. Not saying it's OP but saying that it's the most effective weapon in the game in almost all situations. Yes or No people. Keep the debates clean and please if you're going to debate make sure you have a strong point.


Yes:
Me











NO:

That makes sense, and it fits with CCP's plan for it. We're supposed to have 4 AR racial variants, the AR and SCR are two of them, the gallente AR is supposed to be te short range high DPS variant, it currently not that.

Or maybe you're looking at it wrong.
Maybe 60m IS the shortest range of the AR's?

Holy ****.... I can kill AR users, right now with ****** framrates, with scram rifles/lasers, faster than they can kill me with their ARs at long range. Shotguns (when hits register) can kill ARs faster than ARs can kill shotgun users in CQC.


No. It is not the most effective weapon in all situations. It's just effective.


When aiming gets fixed, I guarantee Imperial scrambler rifles w/ damage mods will be the new FOTM.

it has no draw back lie the other weapons, it had a skill which increases it's accuracy over long distances meaning it can push past it's intended range gap where other weapons don't. Yes it's OP and broken, it has been for ages yet no one says anything about it

Specialised weapons enrich the game and spice things up. But as a foundation of core gameplay mechanics, they are unsuitable.

If any weapon is so bad that you hardly ever see it on the battlefield, then that's a pity and something to be rectified (hello plasma cannon). But complaining that the AR is the most used and most effective weapon in general is pointless. One weapon has to fill that role, and it better be one that makes for good gameplay. A battle between 32 mass drivers would not be any more tactical than a battle between 32 ARs. It would be a bloody mess.

I agree with this. It's diversity that's important. We don't have that now. The AR, in pub matches, amounts to kills almost equivalent to 11 of the total 14 weapons combined.

So, this is the exact problem you describe. Most weapons are being far underused in favor of the OP AR. It's be one thing if the AR, was say, used as much as two or three other weapons combined, but it isn't. It's used as much, or almost, as eleven of them combined.

Sad.

You must get owned a lot to have this delusional vision of the AR.

no.

OP compared to what? All of the other rifles are not in the game yet.

I agree with this. It's diversity that's important. We don't have that now. The AR, in pub matches, amounts to kills almost equivalent to 11 of the total 14 weapons combined.

So, this is the exact problem you describe. Most weapons are being far underused in favor of the OP AR. It's be one thing if the AR, was say, used as much as two or three other weapons combined, but it isn't. It's used as much, or almost, as eleven of them combined.

I fundamentally disagree that usage equivalent to more than 20-30% is indicative of an imbalance on the core version of the most general full auto weapon we have. Infact I'd argue that if the killfeed showed this ratio for the AR it would indicate it was underpowered when accounting for the preference of general purpose weapons, underuse of weapons which are UP, starter fit configurations, reasonably prevalent BPO's with no equivalents across comparable weapons and for that matter a lack of directly comparable weapons.

Well, we have a different definition of diversity them.

That's fine. I understand your point, but I disagree. 11 out of 14 is too much IMHO, far too much.

I don't agree the AR is OP just overused by most players. And its overuse is not a product of superior stats either. It is a product of Map Design. Most current maps favor the strengths of the AR and its mid-range combat effectiveness. As someone who has played primarily with the AR, mostly because as a Logi with no sidearm I value its versatility, I find no distinct advantage with the AR outside of the mid-range zone.

I am often bested by HMG's, Mass Drivers and Shotguns at shorter ranges. And I fall victim to Scrambler Rifles and Snipers at longer ranges. This is as it should be. I am seeing more diversity lately but keep in mind a lot of folks dumped SP in AR skills and it will take a while to get similar proficiency with alternate weapons. The skills make a big difference with most weapons.

The AR doesn't need to be nerfed. It just needs time for folks to gravitate to other weapons and get good with them. Once other weapons make the scene the AR will become less and less predominate. Just gotta give it more time.

Except this isn't the trend.

And each time people do migrate to other weapons, they get nerfed - keeping the AR with a firm grip on OP status.

Except this isn't the trend.

And each time people do migrate to other weapons, they get nerfed - keeping the AR with a firm grip on OP status.

The rifle is fine as is
Is it used a lot? Yeah
Know why? Because its the bog standard gun type that rarely changes in function from FPS game to FPS game so when someone sees it they think "Ok, I know this style of weapon and its familiar to me and because this game time locks weapons and bonuses I think Ill go for something I know I can use to good effect rather than spend a bunch of points on things I am unfamiliar with"

Thats also partially why SMGs are one of the most popular sidearms, familiarity and possibly why HMGs are more popular than forge guns

The more similar a weapon's name is to a modern FPS weapon the more it is used, that's my assumption. CCP should rename every weapon into something futuristic like the Sniper rifle would be the Heavy rail rifle, and the Caldari assault rifle would be the Light rail rifle or the Combat rail rifle, the Gallente AR could be the Plasma rifle or Plasma Carbine, I don't know about the projectile (Minmatar weapons).