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FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:13:00 -
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This poll isn't to cry that it's OP. It's to prove a point, how many of you would say the Assault Rifle out guns every gun in the game. Even with the game has a crappy aiming system and major hit detection issues the Assault Rfile is still effective in short to mid and mid to long distances. Imagine how much more accurate it'll be when they fix the aiming system and hit detection. No need for snipers (no not including red zone, but the real support snipers that help out). The assault rifle is more deadlier than even the mass driver. The assault rifle holds the most advantages over any gun. No troll just simply reply yes or no that the assault rifle has the most advantages over any gun. Not saying it's OP but saying that it's the most effective weapon in the game in almost all situations. Yes or No people. Keep the debates clean and please if you're going to debate make sure you have a strong point. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
904
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:16:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:This poll isn't to cry that it's OP. It's to prove a point, how many of you would say the Assault Rifle out guns every gun in the game. Even with the game has a crappy aiming system and major hit detection issues the Assault Rfile is still effective in short to mid and mid to long distances. Imagine how much more accurate it'll be when they fix the aiming system and hit detection. No need for snipers (no not including red zone, but the real support snipers that help out). The assault rifle is more deadlier than even the mass driver. The assault rifle holds the most advantages over any gun. No troll just simply reply yes or no that the assault rifle has the most advantages over any gun. Not saying it's OP but saying that it's the most effective weapon in the game in almost all situations. Yes or No people. Keep the debates clean and please if you're going to debate make sure you have a strong point.
Yes: Me
NO:
LOL! |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
1040
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:19:00 -
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Waffles instead of bacon. |
Lillica Deathdealer
Mango and Friends
34
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:20:00 -
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Yes, it is OP. It is the end all be all weapon that you need to invest in to outgun fellas at any range besides sniping range. Not that Tac AR doesn't come close -.- |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1489
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:22:00 -
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Yes it's OP. It has no real downsides and far too many upsides.
The only reason not to use the AR is if you don't want to be an AR crutch wielder.
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XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
904
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:22:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Yes it's OP. It has no real downsides and far too many upsides.
The only reason not to use the AR is if you don't want to be an AR crutch wielder.
LMFAO!!!!!! |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
1040
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:22:00 -
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Also it has a sharpshooter skill, and you can feather it. |
TrampleTheWeak
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:23:00 -
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Yes, OP. |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
0uter.Heaven EoN.
282
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:24:00 -
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Can we, the Dust community, stop this back and forth silliness. The MD vs. AR dead horse has already been beaten to an unrecognizable pulp. Backlash type threads like this do nothing to help. Can we please try to make some better threads with real discussion rather than getting bogged down in this crap? |
TrampleTheWeak
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:26:00 -
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Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Can we, the Dust community, stop this back and forth silliness. The MD vs. AR dead horse has already been beaten to an unrecognizable pulp. Backlash type threads like this do nothing to help. Can we please try to make some better threads with real discussion rather than getting bogged down in this crap?
But I thought bitching about things is a must in this forum |
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Protocake JR
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
460
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:34:00 -
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Holy ****.... I can kill AR users, right now with ****** framrates, with scram rifles/lasers, faster than they can kill me with their ARs at long range. Shotguns (when hits register) can kill ARs faster than ARs can kill shotgun users in CQC.
No. It is not the most effective weapon in all situations. It's just effective.
When aiming gets fixed, I guarantee Imperial scrambler rifles w/ damage mods will be the new FOTM.
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Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
1041
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:35:00 -
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Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Can we, the Dust community, stop this back and forth silliness. The MD vs. AR dead horse has already been beaten to an unrecognizable pulp. Backlash type threads like this do nothing to help. Can we please try to make some better threads with real discussion rather than getting bogged down in this crap?
Thus waffles. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
818
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:35:00 -
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No |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
126
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:37:00 -
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No...you can be revived from AR deaths but MD is the only light weapon you can't? What was the question? |
Oscar Neymar
Dogz O War D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:38:00 -
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Something about waffles being better then bacon I think |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
970
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:40:00 -
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Yes.
I don't feel it is OP, but it definitely outguns everything else. |
Ploo-Koon
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
144
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:42:00 -
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The AR isn't OP, it just shouldn't be used at the standard upon which balance is based. Not everything has to live down to the boringness of the AR. |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
403
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:46:00 -
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No, the other light weapons need a buff, except MDs, Swarm Launchers and Snipers. The gun is just doing its job and feels like any other gun from other FPSs. In Chromosome it was OP because of the light sharpshooter skill, which made it jack of all trades master of all. Now I just laugh at its poor range.
-Scrambler Rifles need more range -Shotguns more damage -Plasma Cannons more damage and missile travel speed -Laser Rifles more range and less heat build-up, should overheat at 20 ammo like in Chromosome
With those buffs the other light weapons can shine in their niche and you won't see as many ARs. But ARs aren't OP is the other light weapons that are crap.
-XOXO |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2793
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:53:00 -
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Yes |
Csikszent Mihalyi
DUST University Ivy League
24
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:56:00 -
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It doesn't outgun a sniper rifle across the map, it doesn't outgun a shotgun (and barely an SMG) in close distance, it doesn't outgun a grenade launcher when aiming above a wall or from a rooftop, it doesn't outgun a frickin' flaylock when the target is behind cover. It doesn't outgun a forge gun, if the forge gunner gets the first shot in.
The (mouse-based) aiming system and hit detection in this game are not nearly as bad as people make it out to be, but when the game starts lagging (which happens too often), a mass driver easily outguns it.
When you can't aim for ****, the AR is not an effective weapon. People say that point and click is easy, and that's true, but fast and reliable point and click is a different story. The AR is easy to use, but it still scales in effectiveness very linearly with your abilities.
The AR is the allrounder, the most effective weapon at most common ranges, and it will always be like that. The only weapons that the AR has to be directly balanced again is other weapons which aim to fill the same role. I can only really think of the scrambler rifle.
Everything else is a specialised weapon and should be good at what it's supposed to do. But a specialised weapon does not have to outgun or even compete with the AR in general killing potential.
Or another way to look at it is this: If you have a battle between 32 snipers, forge guns, or mass drivers, the gameplay is going to suck (not everyone will agree with this...). A battle between 32 ARs is going to be just fine, whether you find it boring or not. That's why it is the default weapon for most people, and will always be the most common choice.
So no, I can't give you a yes or no answer because you are not asking the right question. |
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FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
189
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:57:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:No, the other light weapons need a buff, except MDs, Swarm Launchers and Snipers. The gun is just doing its job and feels like any other gun from other FPSs. In Chromosome it was OP because of the light sharpshooter skill, which made it jack of all trades master of all. Now I just laugh at its poor range.
-Scrambler Rifles need more range -Shotguns more damage -Plasma Cannons more damage and missile travel speed -Laser Rifles more range and less heat build-up, should overheat at 20 ammo like in Chromosome
With those buffs the other light weapons can shine in their niche and you won't see as many ARs. But ARs aren't OP is the other light weapons that are crap.
-XOXO Never said it was OP. I'm saying it's more effective than most guns |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
978
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:58:00 -
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Not op, it just needs to be put in its place when all variants come out. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1498
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:58:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:
Or another way to look at it is this: If you have a battle between 32 snipers, forge guns, or mass drivers, the gameplay is going to suck (not everyone will agree with this...). A battle between 32 ARs is going to be just fine, whether you find it boring or not. That's why it is the default weapon for most people, and will always be the most common choice.
So no, I can't give you a yes or no answer because you are not asking the right question.
To me, what you describe as "fine" gameplay is the entire problem. That's the epitome of brainless, no tactics lowbrow FPS. I hope Dust never even comes close to this.
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Catina Mercia
Commando Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:59:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Yes it's OP. It has no real downsides and far too many upsides.
The only reason not to use the AR is if you don't want to be an AR crutch wielder.
It has no upsides and no downsides. It's the base. Every other weapon gets - and + from it. - fire rate, + damage, etc'. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
3027
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:07:00 -
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I wouldn't say its op, it just lacks any downside unlike pretty much every other weapon in the game which have things quick limit them, overheats, charge up times, visibly giving away your position etc. Give the AR something that limits it like a shorter range or an overheat or a slower rate of fire. Weapons need something to limit them otherwise they become something of a jack of all trades. |
Csikszent Mihalyi
DUST University Ivy League
26
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:13:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:
Or another way to look at it is this: If you have a battle between 32 snipers, forge guns, or mass drivers, the gameplay is going to suck (not everyone will agree with this...). A battle between 32 ARs is going to be just fine, whether you find it boring or not. That's why it is the default weapon for most people, and will always be the most common choice.
So no, I can't give you a yes or no answer because you are not asking the right question.
To me, what you describe as "fine" gameplay is the entire problem. That's the epitome of brainless, no tactics lowbrow FPS. I hope Dust never even comes close to this.
Specialised weapons enrich the game and spice things up. But as a foundation of core gameplay mechanics, they are unsuitable.
If any weapon is so bad that you hardly ever see it on the battlefield, then that's a pity and something to be rectified (hello plasma cannon). But complaining that the AR is the most used and most effective weapon in general is pointless. One weapon has to fill that role, and it better be one that makes for good gameplay. A battle between 32 mass drivers would not be any more tactical than a battle between 32 ARs. It would be a bloody mess. |
Csikszent Mihalyi
DUST University Ivy League
26
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:14:00 -
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gbghg wrote:I wouldn't say its op, it just lacks any downside unlike pretty much every other weapon in the game which have things quick limit them, overheats, charge up times, visibly giving away your position etc. Give the AR something that limits it like a shorter range or an overheat or a slower rate of fire. Weapons need something to limit them otherwise they become something of a jack of all trades.
But that's the whole point, it's a jack of all trades. Every specialised weapon eclipses it in its own niche. |
Catina Mercia
Commando Perkone Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:15:00 -
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gbghg wrote:I wouldn't say its op, it just lacks any downside unlike pretty much every other weapon in the game which have things quick limit them, overheats, charge up times, visibly giving away your position etc. Give the AR something that limits it like a shorter range or an overheat or a slower rate of fire. Weapons need something to limit them otherwise they become something of a jack of all trades. If you limit it, it becomes underpowered. The weapons that have these limiting factors? They pay for having immense power in one way.
Scrambler rifles have DPS that rivals that of tanks, but their overheat limits them, as an example. If you reduce the range, you need ot increase the DPS. |
FraggerMike
G.R.A.V.E
45
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:16:00 -
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No. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
978
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:16:00 -
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gbghg wrote:I wouldn't say its op, it just lacks any downside unlike pretty much every other weapon in the game which have things quick limit them, overheats, charge up times, visibly giving away your position etc. Give the AR something that limits it like a shorter range or an overheat or a slower rate of fire. Weapons need something to limit them otherwise they become something of a jack of all trades.
Many of these weapons have really big upsides, for example the mass driver lacks accuracy but at proto level you dont need to be accurate since you get a splash radius of 8.25, the scrambler rifle overheats but if your accurate you can kill anything with 2 charged shots, the shotgun has low range but has unmatched stopping power. The assault rifle sits between all of these + and negatives so its not the best but not the worst either. |
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