i dont know i dont use them

I'm only just now trying them out on an alt, so I can't say but I've only heard that they're underpowered.

Lack of reward for their contribution, difficult to control, and easy to kill.


I'm trying it out to see for myself.

Underpowered.

They need a HP buff, or massive ISK reduction, or both. Also they need some way to provide some sort of WP/SP reward to the pilot.

If this is a troll post, then gawsh. You got me!

Massive HP buff, PG buff,CPU buff and thruster /Speed buff(once you hover and a forge gunner or tank has u ure done for because of poor thrust). more WP,ISK,SP and kill assists that show for flying them. Less collision damage with MCC and RDV. This is what needs to be fixed. All they good for now is getting u on a high building and crashing into tanks and other dropships if ure lucky.

Lol, I remember when the MCC did no collision damage, you could use it as speed brake when AB'ing.

given their SP/ISK cost versus effectiveness+survivability.

Right now their underpowered. Their supposed to be dropships, get in pick people up get out. But as is they can be raped by swarms and FGs. The AV is fine but the DS needs more health in order to do it's job effectively. Saying that if DS get more HP they should lose their weapons and gain more passenger seats.

In all it'd like look this.
+HP
+WP bonuses for CRU
+PG&CPU
+passenger seats

-weapons

That's just the regular dropship. The assault would stay as is and logistics would be a variation on the regular that's faster,has less HP,more PG&CPU,slots,even more seats to carry people.

I'm on the fence about if the logi version should have weapons though. I mean the dropships main role is fast reliable transportation not destruction and mayham (save that for bombers).

What do you guys think?

Right now their underpowered. Their supposed to be dropships, get in pick people up get out. But as is they can be raped by swarms and FGs. The AV is fine but the DS needs more health in order to do it's job effectively. Saying that if DS get more HP they should lose their weapons and gain more passenger seats.

In all it'd like look this.
+HP
+WP bonuses for CRU
+PG&CPU
+passenger seats

-weapons

That's just the regular dropship. The assault would stay as is and logistics would be a variation on the regular that's faster,has less HP,more PG&CPU,slots,even more seats to carry people.

I'm on the fence about if the logi version should have weapons though. I mean the dropships main role is fast reliable transportation not destruction and mayham (save that for bombers).

What do you guys think?

This^

DS should move troops from one spot to another, so they'd have an insane amount of HP (not really that insane) but they should have less weapons.

Wolfman will make them perfect. I have faith in him.

-XOXO

I had faith in Blam. Now I feel like a swindled sucker

I think you dont fly enough to know what youre talking about./ LEt me ask you this have you ever seen a chopper in real life that does less damage while being a troop transport with its turret and a AR does? My proto turrets do less damage than a standard AR. Tell me how this is not ridiculously stupid. Troop transports can carry weapons. Ure idea is ridiculous. Why dont just go throw down uplinks then and remove dropships completely? I agree that dropships need a masssive hp bonus And with everything else you said + weapons. IF a tank hovers around the objective 10 guys storm it and take 10 rounds each to take it out. IT can still run away. give dropships this option. IF i hover and htere is a forge gunner and a swarmer im toast. I cant even run.

Wolfman has proved that he is competent and can fix things, blam did not. I'll give him a little trust at least.

There's no point in flying anything other than an Assault Dropship since CCP thought it would be a good idea to butcher the handling on militia, standard, and logistics dropships in order to give the illusion that Assault Dropships had an upgrade in speed and handling, when in fact (or damn close to it) the other ships simply lost their grace. The handling of the ADS is only just a hair better than the handling of dropships in the before time.

God damn it this game pisses me off sometimes.

What i'm getting at overall is.

Best air to ground: bombers
Best Air to Air: fighters
Best transport: dropships.

For bombers you can carry alot of people and they'll be on weapons but it'll be a slow ride and not one that will drop you where you need to be dropped off. Fighters will be the most useful in air to air combat and will be the most used to destroy HAVs/dropships. However to drop someone off using a fighter would mean to stop. Stopping would mean getting yourself killed by AV.

There's no point in flying anything other than an Assault Dropship since CCP thought it would be a good idea to butcher the handling on militia, standard, and logistics dropships in order to give the illusion that Assault Dropships had an upgrade in speed and handling, when in fact (or damn close to it) the other ships simply lost their grace. The handling of the ADS is only just a hair better than the handling of dropships in the before time.

God damn it this game pisses me off sometimes.

Increase HP,

Give ADS controls to all Dropships

Add new quality life controls (like auto level off/hover/retros)

Give WP for supporting and transporting the team.

Fix PG skill

Give real roles to all three variants.

Increase HP,

Give ADS controls to all Dropships

Add new quality life controls (like auto level off/hover/retros)

Give WP for supporting and transporting the team.

Fix PG skill

Give real roles to all three variants.

If I had to fix it that's what I do but alas I don't do that thing.

Against AV they're underpowered. But swarms are pretty useless against them tbh.
Tanks are only a threat if they are behind the redline. In other cases we have to hide from them now.

FGs are the only problem. They can fire at DS directly above them. Tanks can't/ Swarm will most likely only hit once/ plasma cannon.... lol.
DS needs a buff to they're controls, stability and HP. Swarms need to be visible. You can't tell where FGs are coming from to half the time too.
Also by saying swarms are useless against them now. You will most likely disagree with me, but if dropships can outrun swarms... whats going to happen to swarms when jets are introduced?
Maybe decrease their start up speed. They stay in the air for several seconds then launch faster.

First and foremost your grammar man it makes my eyes bleed. Of course I should mention I don't ride dropships AT ALL. Try to remember this is just a rough draft of a overall idea. One cannot simply buff dropships with no consideration for them being broken. Why spec into bombers if the previously weak dropships can start tanking shots and destroy infantry? Why spec into fighters when dropships start out lasting them and are even able to kill them?

Of course i'm not saying all dropships deserve the same treatment and that they should ALL get the same +/-s. What i'm saying is the intial dropships should be dedicated transport with high HP, how high is debatable. They should be able to move in and out of areas quickly or stay in one area for an extended amount of time if need be. The assault version is the one that'd be used as a infantry harassment and the one people would be spec into for killing and transporting(just not the latter as effectively anymore).

As for the turret issue. This is an idea for dropships not their weapons. The weapons are not my problem and i wouldn't know how to handle them to begin with. If you want feel free to toss ideas around other than criticizing mine.

i know im gonna get alot of hate for this, but im not sure dropships are overly terrible. yes they have issues with the controlls and module selection, and as a semi-compitent door gunner myself, the bloody magnet on the front nose of the ship needs to be removed. a slight pg increase would be nice but overall with a decent pilot (points to Nguruthos) and a doorgunner that knows how to kill targets and cordinate with the pilot, they can be super difficult to kill. i personally believe the main issue lies with the unbalance of AV vs. Vehicles. its not the the dropships arent strong enough (we dont want flying bricks) its more that AV (ie forge) is TO strong. the range on forge guns needs to be brought in, and the fire time between rounds increased. now, i know im gonna get flamed because im not actually a pilot, but thist is just what ive witnessed being in dropships alot. yes buff the ship, but not to much, just bring AV in line. and fix the bloody instakill MCC.

a note on forge guns,
Assault - keep a high ROF, but bring the range WAY in... it should be for clost range AV defense, it fires WAY to fast to have the same range as all the others
standard - mid range, drop the damage a wee bit and increase the cycle time by about a second
breach? (the one where you cant move) - im ok with the range on this beast because it requires some thought to your personal positioning to use properly, and because of the massive charge time on it, im ok with it being the "sniper" forge, it should reward good aim with solid hits. really, i think its ok where its at

again, the idea here isnt to to buff or nerf anything to much or to little, its about finding a balance


EDIT - NERF THE BOLAS