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Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
769
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:13:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:You could just attack another district during an appropriately set EU timer. GAC, Nyan San, WTF, SI, they all have one. Furthermore if you know another corp on PFC that has an EU division you could get in touch with them and change your timer for the fight to accomodate your players. Our PFC district is rarely not under attack, we're quite popular. And then it would deprive our US side of a good practice ground. (I miss corp battles.)
Then ask them to change theirs, or attack a district one of the 4 districts currently with an eu timer. If it's important enough then sacrifice a few days to let them get some good fights in.
Furthermore SyNergy's and Hellstorm's are only 1 and 2 hours later than seraphim's timer, respectively. |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men.
246
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:18:00 -
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I'm saying we literally can't do that with our US TZ district. It's getting clone pack attacked by randoms... pretty much every day. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
1191
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:18:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:kiarbanor wrote:But I think people--maybe just me--are struggling with these "alliances." If the Team Players' district on PFC gets attacked, can they only bring TPs? What if they have to bring a couple RND to fill out the 16? The difference is, an actual alliance has a command structure and a unified behavior. It's not just a pile of random corps shoved together. An alliance fights as one, so it practices as one on fight club. But there's no obligation for ringers to fight with your corp, so why would you practice with them? Kain Spero wrote:In order to open up wider access to PFC maybe what is needed is a new rule to allow at most 1 PFC district for each timezone an alliance occupies. This would mean at most 4 districts to an alliance on PFC to cover NA, EU, AU, and Asia TZ.
This would greatly increase the variety in the presence on PFC and ensure one alliance doesn't hold too much control over the neutral zone. Each alliance could then choose their most active corp in each timezone to maintain their set PFC timezone district. This would be a huge help. Our EU faction is finding it hard to find districts to fight with in their own time zone. If they could have a PFC district too, everyone in the alliance would be able to benefit from PFC, whereas they can't right now. You could just attack another district during an appropriately set EU timer. GAC, Nyan San, WTF, SI, they all have one. Furthermore if you know another corp on PFC that has an EU division you could get in touch with them and change your timer for the fight to accomodate your players.
The sad sad fact of this is all these corps outside the US have had a district on oddeluf since fight club began. SI IS THE ONLY ONE TO EVER USE IT. So sorry but I don't buy into that. And as for other eu etc timezzones...all these districts have sat there online for the last month.
As for ringers. I personally don't care. That's MY opinion. The rule stated is based on feedback here, and subject to change if deemed necessary.
I understand the ups and downs of 'ringers' and see both sides of the argument. Team Players prides itself on using our own players, but I also realize other corps do not have this viewpoint. Not right, not wrong, just different.
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
175
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:22:00 -
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I didn't mean to stir this up, people. However, it's an interesting conversation. I'm all for alliance members being able to help alliance members. I don't care how many.
I do think that Independents should have the same luxury, though. They should be able to field from the ICN channel in order to get 16. It's not like they're going to take the district; it's a practice match.
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
1191
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:24:00 -
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The more complicated we make it, the greater chance it doesn't succeed.
If u have a district, u only use clones on that planet
If u have a district, you should have your own players to play, with exceptions
If u have a district, you need to be active.... 1-2 matches/week or more
Honestly that's it. We get 24 corps to do this fight club will be nonstop fun
Already 10 or so that are doing great.
Ill admit I was skeptical when IE moved there but I have been thoroughly pleased with their activity
.....using as intended. +1 IE |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
237
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:30:00 -
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Did Molon Labe. make it on there? I havent been on in a while.. just curious. |
kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
175
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:31:00 -
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Man, I hate writing this much. Cubs, I can't agree more. The more complicated, the harder it will be. However, you're leaving ambiguity when you say:
"If u have a district, you should have your own players to play, with exceptions"
Some people consider alliance members "your own players," others feel that only those with the corp tag are considered "your own players." The only reason I'm asking is for Independents. If they can only participate in PFC--without getting "in trouble"--is for them to have to field 16, then that's something they should know. |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
621
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:31:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:The more complicated we make it, the greater chance it doesn't succeed.
If u have a district, u only use clones on that planet
If u have a district, you should have your own players to play, with exceptions
If u have a district, you need to be active.... 1-2 matches/week or more
Honestly that's it. We get 24 corps to do this fight club will be nonstop fun
Already 10 or so that are doing great.
Ill admit I was skeptical when IE moved there but I have been thoroughly pleased with their activity
.....using as intended. +1 IE I'd like to thank you Cubs and TP for the work and thought they've put into it. Our boys enjoy the battles we get and learn a lot each game from the many play styles brought into PFC.
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Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men.
247
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:39:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:Some people consider alliance members "your own players," others feel that only those with the corp tag are considered "your own players." The only reason I'm asking is for Independents. If they can only participate in PFC--without getting "in trouble"--is for them to have to field 16, then that's something they should know.
Random people from a public channel are not "your own players". Doesn't get much simpler than that. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
237
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:55:00 -
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If you want to avoid getting "in trouble" just invite your "friends,allies, whatever" to your corp before the battle.
Then remove them whe its over.
This way everyone has the same tags.
And the QQ will stop.
/fin |
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King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1015
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:59:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Mike Ruan wrote:Pradox One is on standby to move into PFC. Please contact me in game to get things moving fast.
We are ready to get many fights in-to gain much needed experience. Dude, can I just say I was appalled when I got messages from your players the day after our match about wanting to puke in my butthole? It was disconcerting. Id puke in your butt any day bby Look it up on google under videos...man challenge Hahahaha done and done. Sadly I've seen much, much worse. |
kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
175
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:04:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:kiarbanor wrote:Some people consider alliance members "your own players," others feel that only those with the corp tag are considered "your own players." The only reason I'm asking is for Independents. If they can only participate in PFC--without getting "in trouble"--is for them to have to field 16, then that's something they should know. Random people from a public channel are not "your own players". Doesn't get much simpler than that.
every single person starts off as a random; it doesn't matter if they're in an alliance or not. i could have great relationships with guys in the ICN channel--played a ton of pub matches with them--but simply because we don't share an extra tag under our corp name somehow diminishes that relationship?
however, if Top Men or EoN gets a new recruit in one of the alliance corps, he/she can participate in PFC simply because they joined a corp in an alliance.
How does that make sense? |
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
509
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:04:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Mike Ruan wrote:Pradox One is on standby to move into PFC. Please contact me in game to get things moving fast.
We are ready to get many fights in-to gain much needed experience. Dude, can I just say I was appalled when I got messages from your players the day after our match about wanting to puke in my butthole? It was disconcerting. Id puke in your butt any day bby Look it up on google under videos...man challenge Hahahaha done and done. Sadly I've seen much, much worse. Fine when I get home I will aswell but not at work lmao I hear 2 girls 1 cup is as sexy as it gets |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1015
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:08:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Fine when I get home I will aswell but not at work lmao I hear 2 girls 1 cup is as sexy as it gets If you can drink an entire chocolate milkshake while watching that video, you are a real man. |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men.
247
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:39:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Random people from a public channel are not "your own players". Doesn't get much simpler than that. every single person starts off as a random; it doesn't matter if they're in an alliance or not. i could have great relationships with guys in the ICN channel--played a ton of pub matches with them--but simply because we don't share an extra tag under our corp name somehow diminishes that relationship? however, if Top Men or EoN gets a new recruit in one of the alliance corps, he/she can participate in PFC simply because they joined a corp in an alliance. How does that make sense?
Joining an alliance comes with an inherent tie of investment into that alliance's reputation, and it affects back upon your corp as well. (This is much the same for individual players, as well.) Your membership in that corp and/or alliance becomes of permanent record on your character sheet. You become, for that time, exclusively a component of that larger entity. That it what sets ringers apart from allies. Of course, being in an alliance also requires collaboration and cooperation as well. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
1191
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:47:00 -
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Yes this, for most part (kobrah u sick puppy) this remains a productive conversation. There is obviously a lot of input regarding 'who' is to participate in matches. We have agreed alliance is acceptable, which leaves the independents at a potential numbers disadvantage. This independent chat has been suggested, but I still see this as an unlikely solution in and of itself.
I am personally impartial on the topic as IDGAF who plays against us. At the same time this is an important issue as there are mixed feelings from various people on the subject,
The mere fact that fight club matches mean nothihg about winning or losing, but about just playing pc matches and getting experience, goes a long way in addressing the personnel question.
I agree if u aren't using your own people you really aren't helping your teamwork/chemistry/ preparation for moving into the rest of molden heath.
At the same time, numbers can be an issue at any moment, for anyone
Alliances have other corpss to choose fron, independents have nothing in this regard
Any other ideas that could resolve this? |
Red Dot 24601-HA
S.e.V.e.N.
168
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:12:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Yes this, for most part (kobrah u sick puppy) this remains a productive conversation. There is obviously a lot of input regarding 'who' is to participate in matches. We have agreed alliance is acceptable, which leaves the independents at a potential numbers disadvantage. This independent chat has been suggested, but I still see this as an unlikely solution in and of itself.
I am personally impartial on the topic as IDGAF who plays against us. At the same time this is an important issue as there are mixed feelings from various people on the subject,
The mere fact that fight club matches mean nothihg about winning or losing, but about just playing pc matches and getting experience, goes a long way in addressing the personnel question.
I agree if u aren't using your own people you really aren't helping your teamwork/chemistry/ preparation for moving into the rest of molden heath.
At the same time, numbers can be an issue at any moment, for anyone
Alliances have other corpss to choose fron, independents have nothing in this regard
Any other ideas that could resolve this?
This discussion has come about because an indie corp has attacked the NEWM district and has asked for help from other indie corps in the ICN channel. The initial corp does not have a district on fight club and will be attacking via clone pack. The dilemma is that SE7N is part of the ICN and does own a PFC district. Which may make us violate this rule if we offer assistance to the Indie corp. SE7N and NEWM have some history and that may be why this discussion is happening. Not sure... |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
1193
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:25:00 -
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Red Dot 24601-HA wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Yes this, for most part (kobrah u sick puppy) this remains a productive conversation. There is obviously a lot of input regarding 'who' is to participate in matches. We have agreed alliance is acceptable, which leaves the independents at a potential numbers disadvantage. This independent chat has been suggested, but I still see this as an unlikely solution in and of itself.
I am personally impartial on the topic as IDGAF who plays against us. At the same time this is an important issue as there are mixed feelings from various people on the subject,
The mere fact that fight club matches mean nothihg about winning or losing, but about just playing pc matches and getting experience, goes a long way in addressing the personnel question.
I agree if u aren't using your own people you really aren't helping your teamwork/chemistry/ preparation for moving into the rest of molden heath.
At the same time, numbers can be an issue at any moment, for anyone
Alliances have other corpss to choose fron, independents have nothing in this regard
Any other ideas that could resolve this? This discussion has come about because an indie corp has attacked the NEWM district and has asked for help from other indie corps in the ICN channel. The initial corp does not have a district on fight club and will be attacking via clone pack. The dilemma is that SE7N is part of the ICN and does own a PFC district. Which may make us violate this rule if we offer assistance to the Indie corp. SE7N and NEWM have some history and that may be why this discussion is happening. Not sure...
Well if that's the case, then no I see no issue in it. Some randon using a clone pack to attack are not residents, can bring whomever far as im concerned.
We are talking about the residents, who should be a resident, and what is expected of them . |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men.
247
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:33:00 -
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So, you're saying EoN players (or anyone else) are allowed to fully violate PFC rules? As long as the clones don't originate from PFC? And that a resident corp's members can not only break PFC rules, but that resident won't be putting their own district at risk? |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men.
247
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:15:00 -
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Well, we've been attacked on PFC by 11/16 ringers. So... par for the course. |
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Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
510
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:21:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Fine when I get home I will aswell but not at work lmao I hear 2 girls 1 cup is as sexy as it gets If you can drink an entire chocolate milkshake while watching that video, you are a real man. Guess I'm not a real man..we watched it on the bus on an away game for baseball lmao I miss that so much...not the vid but baseball...yeah I couldn't stomach that vid, and that same trip we looked up **** and sent a dp vid to one of my friends girlfriend |
Red Dot 24601-HA
S.e.V.e.N.
168
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:29:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Well, we've been attacked on PFC by 11/16 ringers. So... par for the course.
Indies need love too... |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
396
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:50:00 -
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Red Dot 24601-HA wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Well, we've been attacked on PFC by 11/16 ringers. So... par for the course. Indies need love too... Well we certainly didn't show them any in that PFC match
And not to mention 4 of them were in 187... |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
1197
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Posted - 2013.08.13 01:09:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:So, you're saying EoN players (or anyone else) are allowed to fully violate PFC rules? As long as the clones don't originate from PFC? And that a resident corp's members can not only break PFC rules, but that resident won't be putting their own district at risk?
My patience is growing thin. How is attacking a pfc district from off the planet any form of violation? Any corp is welcome to do this, but are not allowed to take the district.
If you guys would stop looking for excuse all the time about this and that and actually play the damn game you would be so much better off.
Districts should NEVER be at risk on oddeluf if you are active and don't attack with those clones outside oddeluf
Wtf is with all the negativity all of a sudden? |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
1197
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Posted - 2013.08.13 01:10:00 -
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Now on a productive note, Pradox One is the latest resident, courtesy of Intrepidus IXI! |
Red Dot 24601-HA
S.e.V.e.N.
168
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Posted - 2013.08.13 02:32:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:Red Dot 24601-HA wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Well, we've been attacked on PFC by 11/16 ringers. So... par for the course. Indies need love too... Well we certainly didn't show them any in that PFC match And not to mention 4 of them were in 187...
Good! lessons learned the hard way are some of the best lessons learned! 187 has gone independent you know. An organized team should be able to defeat a ragtag group of Independents any day. I discouraged SE7N mercs to participate but in the end it was up to them. Hope you all had fun.
Now back on topic. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
396
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Posted - 2013.08.13 03:33:00 -
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Red Dot 24601-HA wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Red Dot 24601-HA wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Well, we've been attacked on PFC by 11/16 ringers. So... par for the course. Indies need love too... Well we certainly didn't show them any in that PFC match And not to mention 4 of them were in 187... Good! lessons learned the hard way are some of the best lessons learned! 187 has gone independent you know. An organized team should be able to defeat a ragtag group of Independents any day. I discouraged SE7N mercs to participate but in the end it was up to them. Hope you all had fun. Now back on topic. Jus sayin' |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men.
254
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:52:00 -
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The problem with saying "we don't care where the attacks originate, or who rings in them" just means that anyone can attack PFC districts with ringers. They just have to use a dummy corp, with one guy to bring all the people from such and such other corp in. It's basically you saying Murder Cakes behavior is okay on PFC. |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
625
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:05:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:The problem with saying "we don't care where the attacks originate, or who rings in them" just means that anyone can attack PFC districts with ringers. They just have to use a dummy corp, with one guy to bring all the people from such and such other corp in. It's basically you saying Murder Cakes behavior is okay on PFC. I agree - if a corp outside of PFC trys to enter it should be for the reason of simply replacing using the same rules all PFC corps would abide by. If it's not organized this way you may as well disband PFC as it's very easy to **** over. |
Mike Ruan
Pradox One
32
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:17:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Now on a productive note, Pradox One is the latest resident, courtesy of Intrepidus IXI!
Thanks Chicagocubs & Intrepidus for the smooth handover. Rules will be abided by and we'll be sending messages to a few of our new neighbors to setup fights. |
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