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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:32:00 -
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Our alliance fights as an alliance and practices as an alliance. Is this practice now to be disallowed on Oddelulf? |
Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:38:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:But I think people--maybe just me--are struggling with these "alliances." If the Team Players' district on PFC gets attacked, can they only bring TPs? What if they have to bring a couple RND to fill out the 16?
The difference is, an actual alliance has a command structure and a unified behavior. It's not just a pile of random corps shoved together. An alliance fights as one, so it practices as one on fight club. But there's no obligation for ringers to fight with your corp, so why would you practice with them?
Kain Spero wrote:In order to open up wider access to PFC maybe what is needed is a new rule to allow at most 1 PFC district for each timezone an alliance occupies. This would mean at most 4 districts to an alliance on PFC to cover NA, EU, AU, and Asia TZ.
This would greatly increase the variety in the presence on PFC and ensure one alliance doesn't hold too much control over the neutral zone. Each alliance could then choose their most active corp in each timezone to maintain their set PFC timezone district.
This would be a huge help. Our EU faction is finding it hard to find districts to fight with in their own time zone. If they could have a PFC district too, everyone in the alliance would be able to benefit from PFC, whereas they can't right now. |
Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:40:00 -
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As SoTah pointed out, I recall PFC actually being consensual, though we've been constantly and continually attacked non-consensually on PFC, so we assumed they threw that out the window.
But given that it's PFC, a lot of times, if you talk to the opposing corp ahead of time, if you show up short, like with 12, they'll bring 12 as well. |
Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:52:00 -
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Yeah, I use a combination of EVE Gate and the Corp Recruitment thread here to get in touch with people. But not everyone has that level of information access. |
Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:59:00 -
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SoTah Pawp wrote:Which corps are using alliance ringers? Which corps are attacking at random? These are the things that need to be stomped on and a message to the CEO explaining that's not how it should be so that it's fairer to all the small corps involved.
There is no such thing as "alliance ringers", and PFC rules specifically state that PFC battles can be fought by alliance members. Read 1b in the first post.
In our case, a corp with some of the more experienced players holds the district on PFC, but we make a point to get our less experienced people from across the alliance cycled into the PFC matches to get them experience. We also generally put our less experienced platoon leaders in there to lead it. |
Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:10:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:You could just attack another district during an appropriately set EU timer. GAC, Nyan San, WTF, SI, they all have one. Furthermore if you know another corp on PFC that has an EU division you could get in touch with them and change your timer for the fight to accomodate your players.
Our PFC district is rarely not under attack, we're quite popular. And then it would deprive our US side of a good practice ground.
(I miss corp battles.) |
Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:18:00 -
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I'm saying we literally can't do that with our US TZ district. It's getting clone pack attacked by randoms... pretty much every day. |
Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:39:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:Some people consider alliance members "your own players," others feel that only those with the corp tag are considered "your own players." The only reason I'm asking is for Independents. If they can only participate in PFC--without getting "in trouble"--is for them to have to field 16, then that's something they should know.
Random people from a public channel are not "your own players". Doesn't get much simpler than that. |
Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:39:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Random people from a public channel are not "your own players". Doesn't get much simpler than that. every single person starts off as a random; it doesn't matter if they're in an alliance or not. i could have great relationships with guys in the ICN channel--played a ton of pub matches with them--but simply because we don't share an extra tag under our corp name somehow diminishes that relationship? however, if Top Men or EoN gets a new recruit in one of the alliance corps, he/she can participate in PFC simply because they joined a corp in an alliance. How does that make sense?
Joining an alliance comes with an inherent tie of investment into that alliance's reputation, and it affects back upon your corp as well. (This is much the same for individual players, as well.) Your membership in that corp and/or alliance becomes of permanent record on your character sheet. You become, for that time, exclusively a component of that larger entity. That it what sets ringers apart from allies. Of course, being in an alliance also requires collaboration and cooperation as well. |
Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:33:00 -
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So, you're saying EoN players (or anyone else) are allowed to fully violate PFC rules? As long as the clones don't originate from PFC? And that a resident corp's members can not only break PFC rules, but that resident won't be putting their own district at risk? |
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:15:00 -
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Well, we've been attacked on PFC by 11/16 ringers. So... par for the course. |
Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:52:00 -
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The problem with saying "we don't care where the attacks originate, or who rings in them" just means that anyone can attack PFC districts with ringers. They just have to use a dummy corp, with one guy to bring all the people from such and such other corp in. It's basically you saying Murder Cakes behavior is okay on PFC. |
Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:28:00 -
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So, Cubs is now endorsing ringing for PFC. Guess EoN players need more ringer money then. |
Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2013.08.13 15:06:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:4. If you have a district on Oddeluf, be prepared to fight anyone; it doesn't matter if they are part of the corp attacking or defending.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Perfectly stated +1
Is this not, you endorsing ringing on PFC?
It seems to me that as soon as someone breaks a rule on PFC, the rule goes away. Because nobody wants to actually enforce it. PFC operates on the fear of EoN. Not EoN actually doing anything.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:What im saying is stop the damn QQ and get your fights, use your alliance, and get better.
I did. We beat them, their WarRavens and 187. ringers and all. |
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