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SoTah Pawp wrote:

kiarbanor wrote:

I think that's the problem SoTa. I know that Se\7eN will only field our own members for a PFC battle.

But I think people--maybe just me--are struggling with these "alliances." If the Team Players' district on PFC gets attacked, can they only bring TPs? What if they have to bring a couple RND to fill out the 16?

The thought right now is that it's okay to bring a couple alliance members to fill out the 16, but--from what Cubs just said--it shouldn't happen often. I think this is new information for some people.

Before you launch the attack you should send word to the CEO and wait for a response of agreement. Not all corps are ready all the time, and PFC is a training ground to give weaker corps a chance to play real games and get the experience which often means they don't have a large pool of players to pull from - which is why the mail is important.

Once accepted it's up to both sides to fill slots - if they can't and it happens often they'll be removed from PFC and the spot will be given to a more deserving corp. It's not a perfect system - but it's designed for PC ready corps - and PC ready means you'll need to be prepared almost all day to fight.

If the argument is, "In the real PC you can use ringers and alliance mates though!" Then go out into PC and stay away from PFC. Anyone can bring in A team ringers to make your corp seem better then it is - and that degrades the point of PFC.

If you send word to the other corp and say, "we'll have to bring in a few ringers." and they accept or you reply and say the same thing and they accept - then it's a no issue. But refrain from using Leaderboard ringers or players who are already a part of an A team.

This was all explained somewhere - but the thread is lost in space lol


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kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 171	Posted - 2013.08.05 14:58:00 - [1] - Quote Thank you, Cubs. Great discussion, and Se\7eN "agrees with this message."
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 175	Posted - 2013.08.12 18:31:00 - [2] - Quote It was brought up under one of the Independent Corporations Network (ICN) threads, and I think it's a great question to bring up here. Referring to this rule: 1b) the term 'corporation' is synonymous with 'alliance' if corp x has a district and is part of alliance y, members of y. playing on behalf of corp x is allowed What do we think about Independents helping other Independents on PFC?
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 175	Posted - 2013.08.12 18:52:00 - [3] - Quote I'm not pushing anything, Cubs. It's a simple question that was brought up on another thread. i'm not buying or selling. Truth be told, there are ways around everything. Independents could become part of one giant alliance (it's just a little label under your corp name) without it actually being an alliance. Then they would fit the description. So, that premise led me to ask the simple question to get everyone's thoughts. As you stated, the main purpose of PFC is to have good fights. The secondary purpose is to train corps, in my opinion. Just playing Devil's advocate, but I think they're valid questions.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 175	Posted - 2013.08.12 19:07:00 - [4] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: now I believe you are pushing it. We have agreed in 'alliance' members helping each other in such matches, and its already stated that having '1 or 2' members not officially affiliated with a corp to participate. obviously 1 or 2 could stretch to 3, perhaps 4 in a rare instance, but if you have to rely on others all the time due to the fact you do not have 16 active members in your corp, then that corp would need to be reevaluated in regard to its membership. now here's the twist... Say corp A, although not officially in an 'alliance' has close ties with corp B. corp A has matches, and corp B is always assisting in those matches. I don't see an issue with this, especially when corp B holds no land anywhere.. so basically the land of Corp A is in reality land for both Corp A AND Corp B And this is interesting because I don't think everyone knows that you should have to field 16 from your own personal corp on PFC. If you HAVE to use 1-4 alliance members on OCCASION, then that's okay. If you have to field them more than on occasion, there might be a problem. Is that what you're saying?
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 175	Posted - 2013.08.12 19:18:00 - [5] - Quote I think that's the problem SoTa. I know that Se\7eN will only field our own members for a PFC battle. But I think people--maybe just me--are struggling with these "alliances." If the Team Players' district on PFC gets attacked, can they only bring TPs? What if they have to bring a couple RND to fill out the 16? The thought right now is that it's okay to bring a couple alliance members to fill out the 16, but--from what Cubs just said--it shouldn't happen often. I think this is new information for some people.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 175	Posted - 2013.08.12 19:45:00 - [6] - Quote SoTah Pawp wrote: kiarbanor wrote: I think that's the problem SoTa. I know that Se\7eN will only field our own members for a PFC battle. But I think people--maybe just me--are struggling with these "alliances." If the Team Players' district on PFC gets attacked, can they only bring TPs? What if they have to bring a couple RND to fill out the 16? The thought right now is that it's okay to bring a couple alliance members to fill out the 16, but--from what Cubs just said--it shouldn't happen often. I think this is new information for some people. Before you launch the attack you should send word to the CEO and wait for a response of agreement. Not all corps are ready all the time, and PFC is a training ground to give weaker corps a chance to play real games and get the experience which often means they don't have a large pool of players to pull from - which is why the mail is important. Once accepted it's up to both sides to fill slots - if they can't and it happens often they'll be removed from PFC and the spot will be given to a more deserving corp. It's not a perfect system - but it's designed for PC ready corps - and PC ready means you'll need to be prepared almost all day to fight. If the argument is, "In the real PC you can use ringers and alliance mates though!" Then go out into PC and stay away from PFC. Anyone can bring in A team ringers to make your corp seem better then it is - and that degrades the point of PFC. If you send word to the other corp and say, "we'll have to bring in a few ringers." and they accept or you reply and say the same thing and they accept - then it's a no issue. But refrain from using Leaderboard ringers or players who are already a part of an A team. This was all explained somewhere - but the thread is lost in space lol SoTa, great points. And I agree with you. We're fine with other teams bringing in enough guys to field 16 because the main purpose is to have good battles, but it's good to get the "okay" before the battle actually happens. But your thoughts are contradictory to what has been decided--or what I thought had been decided--where a corp can field a team of 16 on PFC made up of all alliance members; it doesn't matter if they're part of the corp that owns the district or not. I didn't want to muddy the waters, but I initially wanted to know how this rule applies to Independents helping each other. There are numerous Independents that want to do battles on PFC, but they might not be able to field a full 16. They're not part of an alliance. So, could they grab people from the Idependent Corporations Network (ICN) channel to help? According to the stated rules, this would not be okay since the Independents are not part of an official alliance.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 175	Posted - 2013.08.12 20:00:00 - [7] - Quote SoTah Pawp wrote: IE loves there PFC district - all our new recruits are thrown into it as often as we can set up a match. :3 Maybe we can allow alliance ringers - but it's seems unfair to indie corps. Forget the language of alliance and corp meaning the same thing. A corp is just those people with the tag under their name on the left of this post. So, plainly state, is it okay for a corp to bring in alliance members to field a PFC match? It doesn't matter how many. Is it okay for them to do this? Soraya says yes. Cubs, do you agree?
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 175	Posted - 2013.08.12 20:12:00 - [8] - Quote SoTah Pawp wrote: kiarbanor wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: IE loves there PFC district - all our new recruits are thrown into it as often as we can set up a match. :3 Maybe we can allow alliance ringers - but it's seems unfair to indie corps. Forget the language of alliance and corp meaning the same thing. A corp is just those people with the tag under their name on the left of this post. So, plainly state, is it okay for a corp to bring in alliance members to field a PFC match? It doesn't matter how many. Is it okay for them to do this? according to cubs rules - yes. I think you're right, SoTa, which brings me back to Independents.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 175	Posted - 2013.08.12 20:22:00 - [9] - Quote I didn't mean to stir this up, people. However, it's an interesting conversation. I'm all for alliance members being able to help alliance members. I don't care how many. I do think that Independents should have the same luxury, though. They should be able to field from the ICN channel in order to get 16. It's not like they're going to take the district; it's a practice match.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 175	Posted - 2013.08.12 20:31:00 - [10] - Quote Man, I hate writing this much. Cubs, I can't agree more. The more complicated, the harder it will be. However, you're leaving ambiguity when you say: "If u have a district, you should have your own players to play, with exceptions" Some people consider alliance members "your own players," others feel that only those with the corp tag are considered "your own players." The only reason I'm asking is for Independents. If they can only participate in PFC--without getting "in trouble"--is for them to have to field 16, then that's something they should know.

kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 175	Posted - 2013.08.12 21:04:00 - [11] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: kiarbanor wrote: Some people consider alliance members "your own players," others feel that only those with the corp tag are considered "your own players." The only reason I'm asking is for Independents. If they can only participate in PFC--without getting "in trouble"--is for them to have to field 16, then that's something they should know. Random people from a public channel are not "your own players". Doesn't get much simpler than that. every single person starts off as a random; it doesn't matter if they're in an alliance or not. i could have great relationships with guys in the ICN channel--played a ton of pub matches with them--but simply because we don't share an extra tag under our corp name somehow diminishes that relationship? however, if Top Men or EoN gets a new recruit in one of the alliance corps, he/she can participate in PFC simply because they joined a corp in an alliance. How does that make sense?
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 178	Posted - 2013.08.13 13:39:00 - [12] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: There will always be random attacks on your land. This even happens to us, regularly. You cannot get bent out of shape every time someone attacks you without warning. Personally I likely wouldn't contact you prior to sending an attack. If the district is online, you are available for a match. Way too much QQ over some of the simplest things. Undobutedly its appreciated to contact the opponent ahead of time, but required or even expected? No Being an oddeluf resident removes the worry of ever losing your land as long as you abide by the simple rules. Some of you seem to forget this. In the event you DO lose your land for some reason, this is when you get in touch with me or other residents and we will get it back. Plain and simple Just like Altbrard, the low/middle tier planet that a certain flying circus seems to think they can take land there and that rules don't apply to them. On another note, warravens needs to contact me today. I am not inclined to allow a corp onto oddeluf that flat out no shows for their tournament match.... Not a good sign imo I think the rules are as simple as this, Cubs: 1. No using clones from Oddeluf to wage battles on any other planets; if found guilty of this, you will get your district taken away. 2. If you have a district on Oddeluf, be prepared to fight any time your district is online. Prior communication to set up a battle is appreciated but not required. 3. You must use your district on Oddeluf and be "active" in battles; active means at least 1-2 times per week. If the district is not active, either hand it to another corp that will use it or have it possibly taken from you by the Oddeluf community. 4. If you have a district on Oddeluf, be prepared to fight anyone; it doesn't matter if they are part of the corp attacking or defending. 5. If you lose your district because of someone not understanding the rules of Oddeluf (either by accident or on purpose), please contact the Oddeluf community through this thread and the district will be handed back to you as soon as possible. To me, that's as simple as you can get.