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SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars
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Posted - 2013.08.12 05:34:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Yep, since TP didn't pay Betamax for the district it will be great to see that land settled for only the cost of the new occupant purchasing just a clone pack. Anything else would be an obvious scam on the part of Teamplayers. Actually they were removed due to inactivity. And in the match, 0 players showed up for them thus validating the move. Im in contact with those on the wait list to get them situated. I have nothing against betamax, and have talked with yokel who did his best to keep things going for a long time. all of their directors as well as their ceo have been mia, which undoubtedly made his life very hard in his task. I have great respect for him and wish him and the others the best But at this time there are active corps that want to get in and get to matches, thus the move was made. Everyone appreciates the work you did in the past to get this thing going, but we have taken over the responsibility of maintenance and the corps in contact with interest are working with us to get them going to get the good fights they want
All I'll say is if you do such moves you should make a post about it - this isn't something that was set up for an individual group to control behind the scenes. You should make your moves more public or it may turn against you someday. |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:13:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:now I believe you are pushing it. We have agreed in 'alliance' members helping each other in such matches, and its already stated that having '1 or 2' members not officially affiliated with a corp to participate.
obviously 1 or 2 could stretch to 3, perhaps 4 in a rare instance, but if you have to rely on others all the time due to the fact you do not have 16 active members in your corp, then that corp would need to be reevaluated in regard to its membership.
now here's the twist... Say corp A, although not officially in an 'alliance' has close ties with corp B.
corp A has matches, and corp B is always assisting in those matches.
I don't see an issue with this, especially when corp B holds no land anywhere.. so basically the land of Corp A is in reality land for both Corp A AND Corp B
And this is interesting because I don't think everyone knows that you should have to field 16 from your own personal corp on PFC. If you HAVE to use 1-4 alliance members on OCCASION, then that's okay. If you have to field them more than on occasion, there might be a problem. Is that what you're saying?
NO CORP SHOULD BE IN PFC IF YOU CAN'T FIELD YOUR OWN TEAM. The point was to train your members to improve skill and branch out into the real PC eventually - not to train your allies with your own boys.
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SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:25:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:I think that's the problem SoTa. I know that Se\7eN will only field our own members for a PFC battle.
But I think people--maybe just me--are struggling with these "alliances." If the Team Players' district on PFC gets attacked, can they only bring TPs? What if they have to bring a couple RND to fill out the 16?
The thought right now is that it's okay to bring a couple alliance members to fill out the 16, but--from what Cubs just said--it shouldn't happen often. I think this is new information for some people.
Before you launch the attack you should send word to the CEO and wait for a response of agreement. Not all corps are ready all the time, and PFC is a training ground to give weaker corps a chance to play real games and get the experience which often means they don't have a large pool of players to pull from - which is why the mail is important.
Once accepted it's up to both sides to fill slots - if they can't and it happens often they'll be removed from PFC and the spot will be given to a more deserving corp. It's not a perfect system - but it's designed for PC ready corps - and PC ready means you'll need to be prepared almost all day to fight.
If the argument is, "In the real PC you can use ringers and alliance mates though!" Then go out into PC and stay away from PFC. Anyone can bring in A team ringers to make your corp seem better then it is - and that degrades the point of PFC.
If you send word to the other corp and say, "we'll have to bring in a few ringers." and they accept or you reply and say the same thing and they accept - then it's a no issue. But refrain from using Leaderboard ringers or players who are already a part of an A team.
This was all explained somewhere - but the thread is lost in space lol |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:53:00 -
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Which corps are using alliance ringers? Which corps are attacking at random? These are the things that need to be stomped on and a message to the CEO explaining that's not how it should be so that it's fairer to all the small corps involved.
I'd be more then happy to send my boys into PFC - and I'm sure TP would too - to smash out corps who think the point of it is simply to fight. PFC's point isn't just 'good battles' it was to give lesser experience corps a chance to learn. A safe haven runned by the larger alliances so one day they can leave PFC and branch out. Skill is a huge issue currently - and everyone only wants to use A teamers making it hard to bring up that skill.
But like I said - if it's agreed upon ringers are fine then it's a no issue.
ChicagoCubs - you seem to be the fore-front to running this. How about write up some PFC rules so it can simply be linked and highlighted when corps start polluting the idea? |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
616
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:57:00 -
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IE loves there PFC district - all our new recruits are thrown into it as often as we can set up a match. :3
Maybe we can allow alliance ringers - but it's seems unfair to indie corps. |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
616
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:58:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:Which corps are using alliance ringers? Which corps are attacking at random? These are the things that need to be stomped on and a message to the CEO explaining that's not how it should be so that it's fairer to all the small corps involved.
I'd be more then happy to send my boys into PFC - and I'm sure TP would too - to smash out corps who think the point of it is simply to fight. PFC's point isn't just 'good battles' it was to give lesser experience corps a chance to learn. A safe haven runned by the larger alliances so one day they can leave PFC and branch out. Skill is a huge issue currently - and everyone only wants to use A teamers making it hard to bring up that skill.
But like I said - if it's agreed upon ringers are fine then it's a no issue.
ChicagoCubs - you seem to be the fore-front to running this. How about write up some PFC rules so it can simply be linked and highlighted when corps start polluting the idea? Read the beginning of this thread :)
It seems to say if your in an alliance you have an advantage over if you're not.
Not getting the idea behind that. You're basically telling Indies to get in an alliance to stand a chance. |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
619
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:01:00 -
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That's wrong and pollutes the good intent behind PFC. And if it's the case then I agree with kane statement that 1 alliance gets one district. |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
619
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:02:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:IE loves there PFC district - all our new recruits are thrown into it as often as we can set up a match. :3
Maybe we can allow alliance ringers - but it's seems unfair to indie corps. Forget the language of alliance and corp meaning the same thing. A corp is just those people with the tag under their name on the left of this post. So, plainly state, is it okay for a corp to bring in alliance members to field a PFC match? It doesn't matter how many. Is it okay for them to do this?
according to cubs rules - yes. |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:31:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:The more complicated we make it, the greater chance it doesn't succeed.
If u have a district, u only use clones on that planet
If u have a district, you should have your own players to play, with exceptions
If u have a district, you need to be active.... 1-2 matches/week or more
Honestly that's it. We get 24 corps to do this fight club will be nonstop fun
Already 10 or so that are doing great.
Ill admit I was skeptical when IE moved there but I have been thoroughly pleased with their activity
.....using as intended. +1 IE
I'd like to thank you Cubs and TP for the work and thought they've put into it. Our boys enjoy the battles we get and learn a lot each game from the many play styles brought into PFC.
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SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
625
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:05:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:The problem with saying "we don't care where the attacks originate, or who rings in them" just means that anyone can attack PFC districts with ringers. They just have to use a dummy corp, with one guy to bring all the people from such and such other corp in. It's basically you saying Murder Cakes behavior is okay on PFC.
I agree - if a corp outside of PFC trys to enter it should be for the reason of simply replacing using the same rules all PFC corps would abide by. If it's not organized this way you may as well disband PFC as it's very easy to **** over. |
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