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RINON114 wrote:

Alena Ventrallis wrote:

RINON114 wrote:

The fight between armour and shield is a long, drawn out one. But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way.

Give us Gallenteans something for once will you!?

I give you vehicles that our perform shield in repair rate, total HP, speed, and fitting options.

On a serious note, armor tanking is extremely weak currently. If they gave a big buff to plate HP without increasing the speed penalty, they'd be close to balanced.

With regards to their balance in vehicles you have to remember that most forms of AV do a massive 40% extra damage to armour, so while your shield tank me be slower, and rep slower (which isn't true anymore) and have less total hp, it actually has about 40% more hp than an armour tank in the majority of situations.

With that said, this is for dropsuits only. Tanks can gtfo.

It's not even about fixing armour vs shield, it's just about balancing the Gallente suit with the others. The Gallente suit is literally identical or worse in every way except for armour, which is also just flipped from the Caldari's shield stat.

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RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 376	Posted - 2013.08.04 09:28:00 - [1] - Quote The fight between armour and shield is a long, drawn out one. But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way. Give us Gallenteans something for once will you!?
excillon united we stand x 2	Posted - 2013.08.04 09:29:00 - [2] - Quote Agree. I got so sick of it I leveled up in Caldari assault. Took a ton of SP though.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 376	Posted - 2013.08.04 09:33:00 - [3] - Quote excillon wrote: Agree. I got so sick of it I leveled up in Caldari assault. Took a ton of SP though. I've started to use the dragonfly assault suit and it's almost as good as my proto suit, except for the gun and a few small details of course.
Vickers S Grunt Expert Intervention Caldari State 181	Posted - 2013.08.04 10:55:00 - [4] - Quote i love my gall suit ..shields are for pussys real men armor tank
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 378	Posted - 2013.08.04 16:14:00 - [5] - Quote Vickers S Grunt wrote: i love my gall suit ..shields are for pussys real men armor tank Nah, real men use the Gallente suit with no modules and a laser rifle.
DRDEEZE TWO POINTO DEEZE NUTSZ INC 78	Posted - 2013.08.04 18:28:00 - [6] - Quote Just wait cat merc said wolfman is working on the balance with the armor plates just wait a bit longer.
Dog Merc Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.08.04 18:41:00 - [7] - Quote DRDEEZE TWO POINTO wrote: Just wait cat merc said wolfman is working on the balance with the armor plates just wait a bit longer. W00T!
Tebu Gan CrimeWave Syndicate 4	Posted - 2013.08.04 22:17:00 - [8] - Quote RINON114 wrote: The fight between armour and shield is a long, drawn out one. But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way. Give us Gallenteans something for once will you!? If it makes you feel any better, the Gallente tank is better then the caldari tank in every single aspect. Maybe this is CCP's idea of balance?
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 23	Posted - 2013.08.04 22:27:00 - [9] - Quote DRDEEZE TWO POINTO wrote: Just wait cat merc said wolfman is working on the balance with the armor plates just wait a bit longer. Finally. A fellow Minmatar Proto Logi who can do both but prefers armor. So I cannot wait to see what changes they will do to armor.
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2013.08.05 01:06:00 - [10] - Quote Vickers S Grunt wrote: i love my gall suit ..shields are for pussys real men armor tank Real men wear slow armor tank? my point is shields are faster and armor is weaker by most of the weapons in the game.

Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 43	Posted - 2013.08.05 01:29:00 - [11] - Quote RINON114 wrote: The fight between armour and shield is a long, drawn out one. But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way. Give us Gallenteans something for once will you!? I give you vehicles that our perform shield in repair rate, total HP, speed, and fitting options. On a serious note, armor tanking is extremely weak currently. If they gave a big buff to plate HP without increasing the speed penalty, they'd be close to balanced.
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 24	Posted - 2013.08.05 02:35:00 - [12] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: RINON114 wrote: The fight between armour and shield is a long, drawn out one. But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way. Give us Gallenteans something for once will you!? I give you vehicles that our perform shield in repair rate, total HP, speed, and fitting options. On a serious note, armor tanking is extremely weak currently. If they gave a big buff to plate HP without increasing the speed penalty, they'd be close to balanced. Very true, If CCP decides to leave shields alone then armor plates need a HP buff while keeping the same speed penalty. This might make complex armor plates have some use.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 384	Posted - 2013.08.05 06:47:00 - [13] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: RINON114 wrote: The fight between armour and shield is a long, drawn out one. But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way. Give us Gallenteans something for once will you!? I give you vehicles that our perform shield in repair rate, total HP, speed, and fitting options. On a serious note, armor tanking is extremely weak currently. If they gave a big buff to plate HP without increasing the speed penalty, they'd be close to balanced. With regards to their balance in vehicles you have to remember that most forms of AV do a massive 40% extra damage to armour, so while your shield tank me be slower, and rep slower (which isn't true anymore) and have less total hp, it actually has about 40% more hp than an armour tank in the majority of situations. With that said, this is for dropsuits only. Tanks can gtfo. It's not even about fixing armour vs shield, it's just about balancing the Gallente suit with the others. The Gallente suit is literally identical or worse in every way except for armour, which is also just flipped from the Caldari's shield stat.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1001	Posted - 2013.08.05 11:22:00 - [14] - Quote RINON114 wrote: The fight between armour and shield is a long, drawn out one. But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way. Give us Gallenteans something for once will you!? shut the hell up with that Gallente is the only suit suffering crap. We Amarr don't even mirror our EVE side, or lore counterparts. Were suffering just as bad as you guys if not more because we are slower than you all with lower PG/CPU and none of the fitting bonuses you suits get.....
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 913	Posted - 2013.08.05 11:31:00 - [15] - Quote Armor vs shields will never be balanced if they just balance it by buffing plates, unless they gave all Armor suits 1 extra low slot. Fact is that since armor suits always lose a low slot to armor repairers we essentially have the same slot usage as a Caldari suit, therefore our armor HP will always be the same. The only way to fix armor is by increasing the efficacy of modules racially, and lower their fitting costs.
Tal-Rakken DUST University Ivy League 45	Posted - 2013.08.05 11:34:00 - [16] - Quote RINON114 wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: RINON114 wrote: The fight between armour and shield is a long, drawn out one. But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way. Give us Gallenteans something for once will you!? I give you vehicles that our perform shield in repair rate, total HP, speed, and fitting options. On a serious note, armor tanking is extremely weak currently. If they gave a big buff to plate HP without increasing the speed penalty, they'd be close to balanced. With regards to their balance in vehicles you have to remember that most forms of AV do a massive 40% extra damage to armour, so while your shield tank me be slower, and rep slower (which isn't true anymore) and have less total hp, it actually has about 40% more hp than an armour tank in the majority of situations. With that said, this is for dropsuits only. Tanks can gtfo. It's not even about fixing armour vs shield, it's just about balancing the Gallente suit with the others. The Gallente suit is literally identical or worse in every way except for armour, which is also just flipped from the Caldari's shield stat. as a swarm user i've been seriously thinking of speccing into forge guns just so i can deal with the better fitted shield tanks and charybdis(dear god those things can eat swarms) i've unloaded entire clips into shield vehicles and they didnt go below half shield sometimes(thats full on damage modded wyrkomi hits in rapid succession). very few armor tanks will be alive after a full hit from 5 proto swarms. as for armor vs shield on dropsuits i have a few suits i prefer using armor on and see a decidable difference in combat the shiled tanks ability to duck behind cover for just a few seconds then pop out at full health is beyond op right now compared to what we have to deal with running armor.
Vickers S Grunt Expert Intervention Caldari State 183	Posted - 2013.08.05 11:56:00 - [17] - Quote I can tell u right now armor is not as bad as people say it is u just need to play in a different way . http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3veh35/ http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3veh3s/ http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3veh3z/
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 924	Posted - 2013.08.05 13:25:00 - [18] - Quote Vickers S Grunt wrote: I can tell u right now armor is not as bad as people say it is u just need to play in a different way . http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3veh35/ http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3veh3s/ http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3veh3z/ yea be a sniper... thats honestly the only thing armor is good for. Aside from that it sucks ass in front line combat.
Cat Merc DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 3873	Posted - 2013.08.06 00:32:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: RINON114 wrote: The fight between armour and shield is a long, drawn out one. But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way. Give us Gallenteans something for once will you!? shut the hell up with that Gallente is the only suit suffering crap. We Amarr don't even mirror our EVE side, or lore counterparts. Were suffering just as bad as you guys if not more because we are slower than you all with lower PG/CPU and none of the fitting bonuses you suits get..... Lower CPU/PG? You have the highest CPU/PG out of all the suits -_-
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 524	Posted - 2013.08.06 00:37:00 - [20] - Quote RINON114 wrote: But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way. Worse in every way? Base stats are exactly the same, exempt the HP swaps between the shield and armor, only thing that differs is slot layouts. Armor does need fixing however, I'll agree with you there.

Epicsting pro Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 79	Posted - 2013.08.06 01:54:00 - [21] - Quote With 469 armor and rep at 20/s it make one on one easy.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 389	Posted - 2013.08.06 03:05:00 - [22] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: RINON114 wrote: But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way. Worse in every way? Base stats are exactly the same, exempt the HP swaps between the shield and armor, only thing that differs is slot layouts. Armor does need fixing however, I'll agree with you there. Depends upon your interpretation of the sentence. They are literwlly worse in every way because the suit overall is either identical or worse. There are no stats on the Gallente suit that are better. As for the Amarr, you're fine with your higher base hp and all the benefits that brings. As for this thread, it's about fixing the Gallente suit, not about shield vs armour. And armour is not fine.
Cat Merc DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 3884	Posted - 2013.08.06 03:12:00 - [23] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: RINON114 wrote: But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way. Worse in every way? Base stats are exactly the same, exempt the HP swaps between the shield and armor, only thing that differs is slot layouts. Armor does need fixing however, I'll agree with you there. Nope. We get lower shields recharge delay and regen and we gain nothing in return.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 524	Posted - 2013.08.06 03:34:00 - [24] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: RINON114 wrote: But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way. Worse in every way? Base stats are exactly the same, exempt the HP swaps between the shield and armor, only thing that differs is slot layouts. Armor does need fixing however, I'll agree with you there. Nope. We get lower shields recharge delay and regen and we gain nothing in return. Hmm, maybe the Gallante get a smaller profile? Hang on, I'll check in a sec..... No. You're right, them gals get royally faqed. After armor gets fixed, give the gals a smaller profile.
Cat Merc DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 3886	Posted - 2013.08.06 03:42:00 - [25] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: RINON114 wrote: But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way. Worse in every way? Base stats are exactly the same, exempt the HP swaps between the shield and armor, only thing that differs is slot layouts. Armor does need fixing however, I'll agree with you there. Nope. We get lower shields recharge delay and regen and we gain nothing in return. Hmm, maybe the Gallante get a smaller profile? Hang on, I'll check in a sec..... No. You're right, them gals get royally faqed. After armor gets fixed, give the gals a smaller profile. Or they can give us a small inherent regen. 3hp/s for armor. Or increased speed to compensate for plates. 7.1m/s sprint 5.1m/s walk
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 524	Posted - 2013.08.06 03:50:00 - [26] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: RINON114 wrote: But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way. Worse in every way? Base stats are exactly the same, exempt the HP swaps between the shield and armor, only thing that differs is slot layouts. Armor does need fixing however, I'll agree with you there. Nope. We get lower shields recharge delay and regen and we gain nothing in return. Hmm, maybe the Gallante get a smaller profile? Hang on, I'll check in a sec..... No. You're right, them gals get royally faqed. After armor gets fixed, give the gals a smaller profile. Or they can give us a small inherent regen. 3hp/s for armor. Or increased speed to compensate for plates. 7.1m/s sprint 5.1m/s walk Yeah, btw cat, my dog just thought of a new use of the gal med frame. The pseudo-scout. Since they have so many lowers, try dropping some death plates for profile dampeners.
Cat Merc DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 3891	Posted - 2013.08.06 04:35:00 - [27] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Yeah, btw cat, my dog just thought of a new use of the gal med frame. The pseudo-scout. Since they have so many lowers, try dropping some death plates for profile dampeners. Passive scanning is broken, that will only cause your death.
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 55	Posted - 2013.08.06 04:55:00 - [28] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: RINON114 wrote: But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way. Worse in every way? Base stats are exactly the same, exempt the HP swaps between the shield and armor, only thing that differs is slot layouts. Armor does need fixing however, I'll agree with you there. Nope. We get lower shields recharge delay and regen and we gain nothing in return. Hmm, maybe the Gallante get a smaller profile? Hang on, I'll check in a sec..... No. You're right, them gals get royally faqed. After armor gets fixed, give the gals a smaller profile. Or they can give us a small inherent regen. 3hp/s for armor. Or increased speed to compensate for plates. 7.1m/s sprint 5.1m/s walk lore-wise, gallente are known for being slow. but tanky...
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 581	Posted - 2013.08.06 05:30:00 - [29] - Quote i find that its better to use 1 armor rep, and then stack armor plates, than to use multiple reps. shield tanking and armor tanking with the armor rep mod i mentioed helps make the galente suit Good. (shields are still better though)
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 581	Posted - 2013.08.06 05:32:00 - [30] - Quote Stands Alone wrote: lore-wise, gallente are known for being slow. but tanky... ^actually thats Amar. they tank without reps. minmintar and galentes Rep. difference galentes rep and tank. minnies rep and use speed (they are still versitile and can tank too)



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