Agree. I got so sick of it I leveled up in Caldari assault. Took a ton of SP though.

i love my gall suit ..shields are for pussys real men armor tank

Just wait cat merc said wolfman is working on the balance with the armor plates just wait a bit longer.

The fight between armour and shield is a long, drawn out one. But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way.

Give us Gallenteans something for once will you!?

Just wait cat merc said wolfman is working on the balance with the armor plates just wait a bit longer.

i love my gall suit ..shields are for pussys real men armor tank

The fight between armour and shield is a long, drawn out one. But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way.

Give us Gallenteans something for once will you!?

I give you vehicles that our perform shield in repair rate, total HP, speed, and fitting options.

On a serious note, armor tanking is extremely weak currently. If they gave a big buff to plate HP without increasing the speed penalty, they'd be close to balanced.

I give you vehicles that our perform shield in repair rate, total HP, speed, and fitting options.

On a serious note, armor tanking is extremely weak currently. If they gave a big buff to plate HP without increasing the speed penalty, they'd be close to balanced.

The fight between armour and shield is a long, drawn out one. But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way.

Give us Gallenteans something for once will you!?

With regards to their balance in vehicles you have to remember that most forms of AV do a massive 40% extra damage to armour, so while your shield tank me be slower, and rep slower (which isn't true anymore) and have less total hp, it actually has about 40% more hp than an armour tank in the majority of situations.

With that said, this is for dropsuits only. Tanks can gtfo.

It's not even about fixing armour vs shield, it's just about balancing the Gallente suit with the others. The Gallente suit is literally identical or worse in every way except for armour, which is also just flipped from the Caldari's shield stat.

I can tell u right now armor is not as bad as people say it is u just need to play in a different way .

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shut the hell up with that Gallente is the only suit suffering crap. We Amarr don't even mirror our EVE side, or lore counterparts. Were suffering just as bad as you guys if not more because we are slower than you all with lower PG/CPU and none of the fitting bonuses you suits get.....

But why, oh why, is the Gallente suit worse than the Caldari one in every way.

Worse in every way?

Base stats are exactly the same, exempt the HP swaps between the shield and armor, only thing that differs is slot layouts.

Armor does need fixing however, I'll agree with you there.

Worse in every way?

Base stats are exactly the same, exempt the HP swaps between the shield and armor, only thing that differs is slot layouts.

Armor does need fixing however, I'll agree with you there.

Nope.
We get lower shields recharge delay and regen and we gain nothing in return.

Hmm, maybe the Gallante get a smaller profile?

Hang on, I'll check in a sec.....

No. You're right, them gals get royally faqed.

After armor gets fixed, give the gals a smaller profile.

Or they can give us a small inherent regen.
3hp/s for armor.

Or increased speed to compensate for plates.
7.1m/s sprint
5.1m/s walk

Yeah, btw cat, my dog just thought of a new use of the gal med frame. The pseudo-scout. Since they have so many lowers, try dropping some death plates for profile dampeners.

Or they can give us a small inherent regen.
3hp/s for armor.

Or increased speed to compensate for plates.
7.1m/s sprint
5.1m/s walk

lore-wise, gallente are known for being slow. but tanky...

amarr are second fastest in EVE, gallente are slow, thats why they rely on electronic warfare and drones... minnie are fastest, followed by amarr, then caldari, then gallente... just because gallente have one fast frigate doesnt mean they are the second fastest overall...

gallente are known to be slow, tanky, and rely on other factors. Amarr are medium speed heavy tank, caldari is close to the same by stats. minnie has speed and is ok at everything

maybe since they usually rely on electronic warfare to support them, add an equipment slot and tweak the cpu/pg?

In EVE, Gallente have the second fastest base speeds (generally) but then armour makes them slower.

As for increasing our speed, it'll take a lot more than a 0.1 increase to even make the slightest difference. I think the inherent regen should be 3hp/s with the speed boost. Minmatar should then get 3hp/s which would mean they're still the fastest and they keep their regen.

Amarr can... I dunno. I don't know much about them. +3 armour save?

Edit: So I looked at the Amarr suit, GTFO LOL. You get an extra FIFTY stamina, as well as a better recovery rate, more base hp AND higher PG/CPU. Your suit is fine!

amarr are second fastest in EVE, gallente are slow, thats why they rely on electronic warfare and drones... minnie are fastest, followed by amarr, then caldari, then gallente... just because gallente have one fast frigate doesnt mean they are the second fastest overall...

gallente are known to be slow, tanky, and rely on other factors. Amarr are medium speed heavy tank, caldari is close to the same by stats. minnie has speed and is ok at everything

Minmatar should get 1 HP/s and the Caldari get 0 HP/s, and give the Gallente and Amarr 3 HP/s. Minmatar are shield tanks so to them its more of a novelty, for us it is a necessity.



Gallente are the second fastest in EVE with base speed, but because armor tanking slows you down they become the slowest, but they are also great active tanks which technically makes them the second fastest, to bad active armor tanking is Dust is crappy compared to active shield tanking, which can go all they way to 64.18. The amarr are the third fastest in base speed but also they can have a lot more armor HP than the Gallente.

amarr are second fastest in EVE, gallente are slow, thats why they rely on electronic warfare and drones... minnie are fastest, followed by amarr, then caldari, then gallente... just because gallente have one fast frigate doesnt mean they are the second fastest overall...

gallente are known to be slow, tanky, and rely on other factors. Amarr are medium speed heavy tank, caldari is close to the same by stats. minnie has speed and is ok at everything

Um, no. Check out cruisers. My Thorax will take you down with ease.

Augoror: 153 m/s, 10.730.00 kg
Arbitrator: 159 m/s, 11.200.000 kg
Maller: 164 m/s, 11.550.000 kg
Omen: 181m/s, 11.650.000 kg

Compared to the Gallente

Vexor: 159 m/s, 10.310.000 kg
Exequror: 159 m/s, 11.020.000 kg
Thorax: 170 m/s, 11.280.000 kg
Celestis: 181 m/s, 12.070.000 kgs

Gallente are lighter (the EVE equivalent of kincats are the MicroWarpdrive and afterburners) which means mods make them faster when equipped, Gallente can speed tank. The drones and EW just make them more aggressive. Amarr just like to soak up damage

Just wait cat merc said wolfman is working on the balance with the armor plates just wait a bit longer.

i love my gall suit ..shields are for pussys real men armor tank

i love my gall suit ..shields are for pussys real men armor tank

LOL, you call yourself a real man? Hull tanking is where it's at.

Just wait cat merc said wolfman is working on the balance with the armor plates just wait a bit longer.

he's too busy neutering the TACNET to give us COD-esque corridor-surprise gameplay.

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Minmatar should get 1 HP/s and the Caldari get 0 HP/s, and give the Gallente and Amarr 3 HP/s. Minmatar are shield tanks so to them its more of a novelty, for us it is a necessity.

Minmintar are NOT shield tanks. minmintar are the fastest but have the LOWEST ehp. they are also the MOST versitile. that said, their shields and armor are lower so their reps should be higher. the minmintars 3 specialties are SPEED, VARIABILITY, and REPAIRS. so a 3hp/s, with their current speed and a more evenly distributed slot load out would make them work how they do in EVE. which is perfectly fine.


Amar DO NOT repair. They hybrid tank, the shield and armor tank as much as they can so they have the higest overall ehp but the lowest speed.

Caldari = shield tank

galente = armor tank. since the galente and minmintar are allied and share tech, self repairing suits are perfectly viable for them. a higher base speed is also desirable for a galente. since the galente have almost no shields an Armor rep of 4hp/s wouldn't be too much (ie. the flux nade is a galente invention)

Minmintar are NOT shield tanks. minmintar are the fastest but have the LOWEST ehp. they are also the MOST versitile. that said, their shields and armor are lower so their reps should be higher. the minmintars 3 specialties are SPEED, VARIABILITY, and REPAIRS. so a 3hp/s, with their current speed and a more evenly distributed slot load out would make them work how they do in EVE. which is perfectly fine.


Amar DO NOT repair. They hybrid tank, the shield and armor tank as much as they can so they have the higest overall ehp but the lowest speed.

Caldari = shield tank

galente = armor tank. since the galente and minmintar are allied and share tech, self repairing suits are perfectly viable for them. a higher base speed is also desirable for a galente. since the galente have almost no shields an Armor rep of 4hp/s wouldn't be too much (ie. the flux nade is a galente invention)

Does anyone in Eve Hull tank? why do it in dust?

lol... Dropsuits dont have hulls.... heh

Well the way hull works in EVE and how armor works in Dust we, the Gallente and Amarr, are hull tanks.

the way hulls work in EVE is they have to get thru your shields and armor, to get to the hull... dropsuits dont have hulls, why? because they are not structures. your merc without armor or shields is the structure... so when you have 0 hp and are still alive, you are effectively hull tanking lol

In eve hull is your last line of HP, in dust Armor is your last line of HP. This is what we tank with therefore in dust armor tanking is hull tanking :P when your hull HP is lost your ship is lost, when your armor is lost your suit is lost.

If 1v1 is your problem vs. caldari suits, you should try to get yourself familiar with the scrambler rifle.
It's your best friend.

Drawing out a scrambler rifle against a caldari suit, is like pulling out a can of Raid against a roach. Proto caldari assaults and logis? No problem. They'll shrivel up, die, and evaporate in moments with a scrambler rifle.

The scrambler rifle makes a great utility weapon for armor users. It's balanced, powerful, has good range, and persistence.
It's not going to eliminate armor's imbalance right now, but it will give you a significant advantage in a 1v1 firefight vs. a caldari with an ar.

Gallente Suit w/ Scrambler Rifle > Caldari Suit w/ Assault Rifle.

All it boils down to is your gun game.