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BL4CKST4R wrote:

RINON114 wrote:

In EVE, Gallente have the second fastest base speeds (generally) but then armour makes them slower.

As for increasing our speed, it'll take a lot more than a 0.1 increase to even make the slightest difference. I think the inherent regen should be 3hp/s with the speed boost. Minmatar should then get 3hp/s which would mean they're still the fastest and they keep their regen.

Amarr can... I dunno. I don't know much about them. +3 armour save?

Edit: So I looked at the Amarr suit, GTFO LOL. You get an extra FIFTY stamina, as well as a better recovery rate, more base hp AND higher PG/CPU. Your suit is fine!

Minmatar should get 1 HP/s and the Caldari get 0 HP/s, and give the Gallente and Amarr 3 HP/s. Minmatar are shield tanks so to them its more of a novelty, for us it is a necessity.

Stands Alone wrote:

amarr are second fastest in EVE, gallente are slow, thats why they rely on electronic warfare and drones... minnie are fastest, followed by amarr, then caldari, then gallente... just because gallente have one fast frigate doesnt mean they are the second fastest overall...

gallente are known to be slow, tanky, and rely on other factors. Amarr are medium speed heavy tank, caldari is close to the same by stats. minnie has speed and is ok at everything

Gallente are the second fastest in EVE with base speed, but because armor tanking slows you down they become the slowest, but they are also great active tanks which technically makes them the second fastest, to bad active armor tanking is Dust is crappy compared to active shield tanking, which can go all they way to 64.18. The amarr are the third fastest in base speed but also they can have a lot more armor HP than the Gallente.

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RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 390	Posted - 2013.08.06 05:55:00 - [31] - Quote In EVE, Gallente have the second fastest base speeds (generally) but then armour makes them slower. As for increasing our speed, it'll take a lot more than a 0.1 increase to even make the slightest difference. I think the inherent regen should be 3hp/s with the speed boost. Minmatar should then get 3hp/s which would mean they're still the fastest and they keep their regen. Amarr can... I dunno. I don't know much about them. +3 armour save?
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 55	Posted - 2013.08.06 06:07:00 - [32] - Quote amarr are second fastest in EVE, gallente are slow, thats why they rely on electronic warfare and drones... minnie are fastest, followed by amarr, then caldari, then gallente... just because gallente have one fast frigate doesnt mean they are the second fastest overall... gallente are known to be slow, tanky, and rely on other factors. Amarr are medium speed heavy tank, caldari is close to the same by stats. minnie has speed and is ok at everything
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 56	Posted - 2013.08.06 06:18:00 - [33] - Quote depending on what class i guess... frigs... amarr ships are actually pretty fast... idk... its an endless argument i think because you have to factor in agility and max velocity and bla bla bla
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 390	Posted - 2013.08.06 06:21:00 - [34] - Quote Stands Alone wrote: amarr are second fastest in EVE, gallente are slow, thats why they rely on electronic warfare and drones... minnie are fastest, followed by amarr, then caldari, then gallente... just because gallente have one fast frigate doesnt mean they are the second fastest overall... gallente are known to be slow, tanky, and rely on other factors. Amarr are medium speed heavy tank, caldari is close to the same by stats. minnie has speed and is ok at everything Well whatever, maybe they have different design philosophies for the soldiers on the ground? Maybe you're wrong? Maybe I'm wrong? At any rate, the Gallente suit is crap.
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 56	Posted - 2013.08.06 06:32:00 - [35] - Quote maybe since they usually rely on electronic warfare to support them, add an equipment slot and tweak the cpu/pg?
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 390	Posted - 2013.08.06 06:40:00 - [36] - Quote Stands Alone wrote: maybe since they usually rely on electronic warfare to support them, add an equipment slot and tweak the cpu/pg? Oooh now that would make me very happy. CCP... Do it. Edit: On a more serious note, this would be perfect. It would mean Gallenteans could run armour repair tools and alleviate some of the problems with armour tanking. You are a genius!!!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 945	Posted - 2013.08.06 11:37:00 - [37] - Quote RINON114 wrote: In EVE, Gallente have the second fastest base speeds (generally) but then armour makes them slower. As for increasing our speed, it'll take a lot more than a 0.1 increase to even make the slightest difference. I think the inherent regen should be 3hp/s with the speed boost. Minmatar should then get 3hp/s which would mean they're still the fastest and they keep their regen. Amarr can... I dunno. I don't know much about them. +3 armour save? Edit: So I looked at the Amarr suit, GTFO LOL. You get an extra FIFTY stamina, as well as a better recovery rate, more base hp AND higher PG/CPU. Your suit is fine! Minmatar should get 1 HP/s and the Caldari get 0 HP/s, and give the Gallente and Amarr 3 HP/s. Minmatar are shield tanks so to them its more of a novelty, for us it is a necessity. Stands Alone wrote: amarr are second fastest in EVE, gallente are slow, thats why they rely on electronic warfare and drones... minnie are fastest, followed by amarr, then caldari, then gallente... just because gallente have one fast frigate doesnt mean they are the second fastest overall... gallente are known to be slow, tanky, and rely on other factors. Amarr are medium speed heavy tank, caldari is close to the same by stats. minnie has speed and is ok at everything Gallente are the second fastest in EVE with base speed, but because armor tanking slows you down they become the slowest, but they are also great active tanks which technically makes them the second fastest, to bad active armor tanking is Dust is crappy compared to active shield tanking, which can go all they way to 64.18. The amarr are the third fastest in base speed but also they can have a lot more armor HP than the Gallente.
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 57	Posted - 2013.08.06 14:13:00 - [38] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: RINON114 wrote: In EVE, Gallente have the second fastest base speeds (generally) but then armour makes them slower. As for increasing our speed, it'll take a lot more than a 0.1 increase to even make the slightest difference. I think the inherent regen should be 3hp/s with the speed boost. Minmatar should then get 3hp/s which would mean they're still the fastest and they keep their regen. Amarr can... I dunno. I don't know much about them. +3 armour save? Edit: So I looked at the Amarr suit, GTFO LOL. You get an extra FIFTY stamina, as well as a better recovery rate, more base hp AND higher PG/CPU. Your suit is fine! Minmatar should get 1 HP/s and the Caldari get 0 HP/s, and give the Gallente and Amarr 3 HP/s. Minmatar are shield tanks so to them its more of a novelty, for us it is a necessity. Stands Alone wrote: amarr are second fastest in EVE, gallente are slow, thats why they rely on electronic warfare and drones... minnie are fastest, followed by amarr, then caldari, then gallente... just because gallente have one fast frigate doesnt mean they are the second fastest overall... gallente are known to be slow, tanky, and rely on other factors. Amarr are medium speed heavy tank, caldari is close to the same by stats. minnie has speed and is ok at everything Gallente are the second fastest in EVE with base speed, but because armor tanking slows you down they become the slowest, but they are also great active tanks which technically makes them the second fastest, to bad active armor tanking is Dust is crappy compared to active shield tanking, which can go all they way to 64.18. The amarr are the third fastest in base speed but also they can have a lot more armor HP than the Gallente. in EVE Minmatar are definitely not shield tanks. most ships can be set up as either. most of my and everyone elses solo pvp fits must be wrong then as for speed, like i said, velocity vs agility vs versatility.... its not a black and white argument. which is faster? Formula One or Drag Cars? well that can only be answered with, in a straight line or on curves? lets say curves... well are they using different fuel than everyone else or the most common mix? (the fitting) there is no winning that argument... too many factors... Base speed gallente are second, factor in more stuff, it changes... thats why i said what i said
Jacqueline Duvolle Expert Intervention Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.08.06 16:44:00 - [39] - Quote Stands Alone wrote: amarr are second fastest in EVE, gallente are slow, thats why they rely on electronic warfare and drones... minnie are fastest, followed by amarr, then caldari, then gallente... just because gallente have one fast frigate doesnt mean they are the second fastest overall... gallente are known to be slow, tanky, and rely on other factors. Amarr are medium speed heavy tank, caldari is close to the same by stats. minnie has speed and is ok at everything Um, no. Check out cruisers. My Thorax will take you down with ease. Augoror: 153 m/s, 10.730.00 kg Arbitrator: 159 m/s, 11.200.000 kg Maller: 164 m/s, 11.550.000 kg Omen: 181m/s, 11.650.000 kg Compared to the Gallente Vexor: 159 m/s, 10.310.000 kg Exequror: 159 m/s, 11.020.000 kg Thorax: 170 m/s, 11.280.000 kg Celestis: 181 m/s, 12.070.000 kgs Gallente are lighter (the EVE equivalent of kincats are the MicroWarpdrive and afterburners) which means mods make them faster when equipped, Gallente can speed tank. The drones and EW just make them more aggressive. Amarr just like to soak up damage
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 62	Posted - 2013.08.06 17:01:00 - [40] - Quote Jacqueline Duvolle wrote: Stands Alone wrote: amarr are second fastest in EVE, gallente are slow, thats why they rely on electronic warfare and drones... minnie are fastest, followed by amarr, then caldari, then gallente... just because gallente have one fast frigate doesnt mean they are the second fastest overall... gallente are known to be slow, tanky, and rely on other factors. Amarr are medium speed heavy tank, caldari is close to the same by stats. minnie has speed and is ok at everything Um, no. Check out cruisers. My Thorax will take you down with ease. Augoror: 153 m/s, 10.730.00 kg Arbitrator: 159 m/s, 11.200.000 kg Maller: 164 m/s, 11.550.000 kg Omen: 181m/s, 11.650.000 kg Compared to the Gallente Vexor: 159 m/s, 10.310.000 kg Exequror: 159 m/s, 11.020.000 kg Thorax: 170 m/s, 11.280.000 kg Celestis: 181 m/s, 12.070.000 kgs Gallente are lighter (the EVE equivalent of kincats are the MicroWarpdrive and afterburners) which means mods make them faster when equipped, Gallente can speed tank. The drones and EW just make them more aggressive. Amarr just like to soak up damage what about frigates? what about BS's? and it depends on fitting. depends on class. gallente frigates are slow as **** after being fitted with the "norm"... Battleships are different order as well how about all the other classes? what about the out of the box fits that are specialized to fight a specific ship? its not a black and white argument... it never will be... thats the vision behind EVE Online... i can make a T1 frigate faster than an interceptor for the single purpose of just killing interceptors... i can make a ship that is made specifically to kill caldari and gallente ships... unless that pilot changes their fit and make their ship faster. or with more damage. or longer range... raw numbers without the whole fitting do not mean that much

Spycrab Potato Hold-Your-Fire 189	Posted - 2013.08.06 17:04:00 - [41] - Quote DRDEEZE TWO POINTO wrote: Just wait cat merc said wolfman is working on the balance with the armor plates just wait a bit longer. You mean CCP cares about us armor tankers? LIES AND HERESY!
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 393	Posted - 2013.08.06 17:19:00 - [42] - Quote Vickers S Grunt wrote: i love my gall suit ..shields are for pussys real men armor tank must log in to like this ^ BTW, with a different class bonus (not the racial bonus), assaults would be a little more balanced, shield recharge is useless for gallente while it's very important for caldari or other shield tankers, there should be a bonus that influences primarily weapons instead of dropsuits. Another point is that the weapons that deal heavy damage to armor are more easy to use than the ones that damage shields (MD,flay, nades).
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 400	Posted - 2013.08.06 17:41:00 - [43] - Quote Vickers S Grunt wrote: i love my gall suit ..shields are for pussys real men armor tank LOL, you call yourself a real man? Hull tanking is where it's at.
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 62	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:11:00 - [44] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Vickers S Grunt wrote: i love my gall suit ..shields are for pussys real men armor tank LOL, you call yourself a real man? Hull tanking is where it's at. psh... that aint nothin... skin tanking is for real men
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 543	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:21:00 - [45] - Quote DRDEEZE TWO POINTO wrote: Just wait cat merc said wolfman is working on the balance with the armor plates just wait a bit longer. he's too busy neutering the TACNET to give us COD-esque corridor-surprise gameplay. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1113631#post1113631 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1113759#post1113759
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 398	Posted - 2013.08.07 05:44:00 - [46] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: DRDEEZE TWO POINTO wrote: Just wait cat merc said wolfman is working on the balance with the armor plates just wait a bit longer. he's too busy neutering the TACNET to give us COD-esque corridor-surprise gameplay. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1113631#post1113631 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1113759#post1113759 I hear that! As for the EVE argument going on here, it doesn't matter discussing fittings etc to make a ship something it isn't. The point here is that the base dropsuit needs to be in line with it's base EVE counterpart. Currently it is not.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 590	Posted - 2013.08.07 17:39:00 - [47] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Minmatar should get 1 HP/s and the Caldari get 0 HP/s, and give the Gallente and Amarr 3 HP/s. Minmatar are shield tanks so to them its more of a novelty, for us it is a necessity. Minmintar are NOT shield tanks. minmintar are the fastest but have the LOWEST ehp. they are also the MOST versitile. that said, their shields and armor are lower so their reps should be higher. the minmintars 3 specialties are SPEED, VARIABILITY, and REPAIRS. so a 3hp/s, with their current speed and a more evenly distributed slot load out would make them work how they do in EVE. which is perfectly fine. Amar DO NOT repair. They hybrid tank, the shield and armor tank as much as they can so they have the higest overall ehp but the lowest speed. Caldari = shield tank galente = armor tank. since the galente and minmintar are allied and share tech, self repairing suits are perfectly viable for them. a higher base speed is also desirable for a galente. since the galente have almost no shields an Armor rep of 4hp/s wouldn't be too much (ie. the flux nade is a galente invention)
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 966	Posted - 2013.08.07 18:31:00 - [48] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Minmatar should get 1 HP/s and the Caldari get 0 HP/s, and give the Gallente and Amarr 3 HP/s. Minmatar are shield tanks so to them its more of a novelty, for us it is a necessity. Minmintar are NOT shield tanks. minmintar are the fastest but have the LOWEST ehp. they are also the MOST versitile. that said, their shields and armor are lower so their reps should be higher. the minmintars 3 specialties are SPEED, VARIABILITY, and REPAIRS. so a 3hp/s, with their current speed and a more evenly distributed slot load out would make them work how they do in EVE. which is perfectly fine. Amar DO NOT repair. They hybrid tank, the shield and armor tank as much as they can so they have the higest overall ehp but the lowest speed. Caldari = shield tank galente = armor tank. since the galente and minmintar are allied and share tech, self repairing suits are perfectly viable for them. a higher base speed is also desirable for a galente. since the galente have almost no shields an Armor rep of 4hp/s wouldn't be too much (ie. the flux nade is a galente invention) For the Minmatar I am assuming they keep their current load out. For the Amarr this is assuming they don't get their HP severely buffed.
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 67	Posted - 2013.08.07 22:18:00 - [49] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Minmatar should get 1 HP/s and the Caldari get 0 HP/s, and give the Gallente and Amarr 3 HP/s. Minmatar are shield tanks so to them its more of a novelty, for us it is a necessity. Minmintar are NOT shield tanks. minmintar are the fastest but have the LOWEST ehp. they are also the MOST versitile. that said, their shields and armor are lower so their reps should be higher. the minmintars 3 specialties are SPEED, VARIABILITY, and REPAIRS. so a 3hp/s, with their current speed and a more evenly distributed slot load out would make them work how they do in EVE. which is perfectly fine. Amar DO NOT repair. They hybrid tank, the shield and armor tank as much as they can so they have the higest overall ehp but the lowest speed. Caldari = shield tank galente = armor tank. since the galente and minmintar are allied and share tech, self repairing suits are perfectly viable for them. a higher base speed is also desirable for a galente. since the galente have almost no shields an Armor rep of 4hp/s wouldn't be too much (ie. the flux nade is a galente invention) i agree with pretty much all of this.... i still cant figure out why they made the minnie assault exclusively shield tanking though
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 216	Posted - 2013.08.07 22:21:00 - [50] - Quote Does anyone in Eve Hull tank? why do it in dust?

Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 67	Posted - 2013.08.07 22:23:00 - [51] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: Does anyone in Eve Hull tank? why do it in dust? lol... Dropsuits dont have hulls.... heh
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 972	Posted - 2013.08.07 22:37:00 - [52] - Quote Stands Alone wrote: Johnny Guilt wrote: Does anyone in Eve Hull tank? why do it in dust? lol... Dropsuits dont have hulls.... heh Well the way hull works in EVE and how armor works in Dust we, the Gallente and Amarr, are hull tanks.
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 68	Posted - 2013.08.07 22:41:00 - [53] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Stands Alone wrote: Johnny Guilt wrote: Does anyone in Eve Hull tank? why do it in dust? lol... Dropsuits dont have hulls.... heh Well the way hull works in EVE and how armor works in Dust we, the Gallente and Amarr, are hull tanks. the way hulls work in EVE is they have to get thru your shields and armor, to get to the hull... dropsuits dont have hulls, why? because they are not structures. your merc without armor or shields is the structure... so when you have 0 hp and are still alive, you are effectively hull tanking lol
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 972	Posted - 2013.08.07 23:34:00 - [54] - Quote Stands Alone wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Stands Alone wrote: Johnny Guilt wrote: Does anyone in Eve Hull tank? why do it in dust? lol... Dropsuits dont have hulls.... heh Well the way hull works in EVE and how armor works in Dust we, the Gallente and Amarr, are hull tanks. the way hulls work in EVE is they have to get thru your shields and armor, to get to the hull... dropsuits dont have hulls, why? because they are not structures. your merc without armor or shields is the structure... so when you have 0 hp and are still alive, you are effectively hull tanking lol In eve hull is your last line of HP, in dust Armor is your last line of HP. This is what we tank with therefore in dust armor tanking is hull tanking :P when your hull HP is lost your ship is lost, when your armor is lost your suit is lost.
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 68	Posted - 2013.08.07 23:46:00 - [55] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Stands Alone wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Stands Alone wrote: Johnny Guilt wrote: Does anyone in Eve Hull tank? why do it in dust? lol... Dropsuits dont have hulls.... heh Well the way hull works in EVE and how armor works in Dust we, the Gallente and Amarr, are hull tanks. the way hulls work in EVE is they have to get thru your shields and armor, to get to the hull... dropsuits dont have hulls, why? because they are not structures. your merc without armor or shields is the structure... so when you have 0 hp and are still alive, you are effectively hull tanking lol In eve hull is your last line of HP, in dust Armor is your last line of HP. This is what we tank with therefore in dust armor tanking is hull tanking :P when your hull HP is lost your ship is lost, when your armor is lost your suit is lost. when your ship is lost. you are still in a pod. because you were inside a hull... a structure is far as i know, you dont get your armor blown off yet... so if i go get a suit of armor and put it on right now. i would be inside a hull? or would i be in armor?
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 758	Posted - 2013.08.07 23:53:00 - [56] - Quote Yeah, armor is in a bad way right now. Mainly against the explosive stuff that just gets spammed. I hate it. But if you're having a problem in 1v1.... have you tried pairing up your Gal suit w/ a scrambler rifle? I have to say man... Gal Suit w/ Scrambler Rifle > Cal Suit w/ Assault Rifle. Everytime I mean if you break 500+ Armor HP and have around 12 hp/s regen, and pair that up with a scrambler rifle... with a damage mod or 2.... Not even the absolute toughest Caldari suit will win a showdown. I mean they just can't do it. You will out-dps them every time. If you use Gallente Suits, I STRONGLY recommend getting familiar with the scrambler rifle. It's a good balanced utility weapon, and it will shut down Caldari suits in a heartbeat. Guaranteed.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 404	Posted - 2013.08.09 01:54:00 - [57] - Quote Jathniel wrote: If 1v1 is your problem vs. caldari suits, you should try to get yourself familiar with the scrambler rifle. It's your best friend. Drawing out a scrambler rifle against a caldari suit, is like pulling out a can of Raid against a roach. Proto caldari assaults and logis? No problem. They'll shrivel up, die, and evaporate in moments with a scrambler rifle. The scrambler rifle makes a great utility weapon for armor users. It's balanced, powerful, has good range, and persistence. It's not going to eliminate armor's imbalance right now, but it will give you a significant advantage in a 1v1 firefight vs. a caldari with an ar. Gallente Suit w/ Scrambler Rifle > Caldari Suit w/ Assault Rifle. All it boils down to is your gun game. Not really. I don't have a problem killing Caldari scum, but the point is that the Gallente suit is just plain worse than the Caldari one.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 433	Posted - 2013.08.11 15:15:00 - [58] - Quote Any more support on this subject? The Caldari suit is literally better in every way than the Gallente suit. Can we get some love any time soon? And not soon GÇ£tmGÇ¥.


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