PS2 has MLG
Dust has Urgent Fury

Not even a contest.

Do you trust CCP on delivering through that is the question pearson. Or do you trust them to not make things OP again and then nerf them to oblivion as a fix.

Wait...wait.

You're accusing me of complaining about Zerging?

You just accused my whole outfit of doing nothing but that in IRC only a week or two ago! I mean, do you even bother to keep track of all this stuff you keep spouting out?

Hell, why do you think I said we liked Eisa Tech Plant on Esamir so much? While I was still playing, there was nothing more fun than dropping in on a pitched battle between the New Conglomerate and Vanu Sovereignty and managing to push back far superior numbers to wrest control of it from both.

Holding it while they tried to force their way back in was even more fun. We would even leave them the "satellite" bases to give them easy ways in to make it more interesting.

The NC would always leave before the VS, though. The VS just don't know what to do without their precious Swagriders.

(Tech Plants allow you to pull tanks from base vehicle pads rather than only your Warpgate)

huge waist of effort and resources

It would be a huge waist of effort and resources to just totally change the game plan now, and scrap all the progress that's been made. I'd rather CCP keep doing what there doing. Not as good as planetside?? my ass, Planetside sucks, the only thing you get out of that game is a "cool" feeling because theres almost always 50+ people around you, but aside from that, theres absolutely no meaning behind it.

Yes the strategic element of Planetside 2 is still in development. And they are very open about what they are doing, how they are doing it, and how long it is taking. We get WIP information, they let the average consumer give input on their roadmap, and they very quickly respond to player crisis. But it really isn't any different to say you "captured X district on Y planet" at all. It is just more tedious so that makes it more meaningful? Battle lines ebb and flow in Planetside 2 over the course of hours. And fairly soon there will be outfit recognition for capturing territory. So actually very soon you will be able to capture a base and anyone who visits it will know it. And they will, because it's not a lobby that is only active when the shift is up.

Look, if you like PS2 "open world" gameplay here is what I recommend.

Don't ask to just remake the game from scratch, because thats a bad idea. There are those of us who actually like the game types we have now, we just want them iterated upon and patched up.

Instead, ask for a persistent battle zone on each planet that links the districts together. These areas could be joined at any time, and would have their own smaller outposts. Prior to a PC battle there could be optional objectives that an alliance could attempt to take and hold, somewhat similar to PS2 style conquest of flipping territory back and fourth.

If you can hold the objectives prior to the PC battle itself, maybe you get some kind of advantage going into it. Control of half the points, sentries, additional clones, whatever. That way it gives your entire alliance the ability to participate in support of the fight itself, and it doesn't screw up the core game thats been established.

Wow...something you fundamentally will never be able to do in a lobbyshooter like Dust514....

And who says it will remain that way perpetually?

They have said that they intend to develop this game beyond the lifespan of the PS3, after all.

Of course, you're just going to argue that it'll never make it that far, so I won't go to the trouble of making another long post.

$10k in prizes
vs
Renaming a planet

One of these is not like the other.

CCP should work out a deal with SOE to make DUST 514 a modded Planetside 2 server.

I know what you're thinking.

Hear me out though:

Planetside 2 is a robust mixed arms game. It can handle linked facilities, shields, walls, gates, defenses, canyons, tunnels, open fields, air combat, vegetation... It has a lot of the pieces we all were expecting of DUST 514. Features in development include constructable defenses, orbital bombardments, continental conquest and a revamped resource system that makes wars of attrition meaningful. Those features are expected by the end of the year.

DUST 514 could be a fantastic high health, 4 (or even more!) faction mod of PS2 with tighter resources for special equipment and greater faction diversity. Without worrying about how to make aiming work or even how to design the netcode, they can just focus on their strengths - *****art and asymmetrical balancing.*****

Using the resources already in place, DUST can translate a lot of their themes using PS2 mechanics.

The "Forever War"

Faction Warfare takes place on 4 main planets at launch, 1 for each faction. These can be as large or small as CCP likes but I recommend at least PS2 continent sized. The alert code can be changed to trigger access to special areas such as asteroids, pirate bases or space stations and even maybe titans. I'm sure with just a little arm twisting these can actually be coded to trigger based on events in EVE, since SOE already has api code for exporting the results.

Interplanetary Travel Network

Instead of warping around the maps with the gates, you warp to warbarges. These act as VR rooms in space. If you want to travel to a new planet, you have to wait in the VR room to simulate "travel time". Use the code for crowded servers in a new way to make space travel feel meaningful. Fight clubs (with EVE betting possible with integrated twitch streaming in PS2) could also take place aboard the barges.

Veni, vidi, vici

SOE is delivering outfit capturing and continent conquest soon. Complete with redecoration and resource perks. This could very easily be small isolated areas outside of the "big 4", say around the size of the upcoming battle islands. To make the game less of a punch clock, they would only be accessible for small windows, not 24/7. So while there may be hundreds of planets to conquer, there are only a few hot spots at any given time. You can plan on sneak attacks, joint operations, backstabs to your heart's content but you have to fight to take it and win. It's likely you'll need to form coalitions since anyone can show up looking to snag your prize.

I would just copy PS2's progression, fitting, cosmetics, and monitization scheme wholesale; they are solid for a F2P fps. It would honestly take an essay to fully flesh out the translation, but I know it would be a better format for portraying the struggle of all out warfare, logistics, and tactics that meaningful gameplay can emerge from. Of course it's a pipe dream, but CCP should think long and hard about it. Instant simultaneous access to PS4 and PC, continual updates to the client provided by SOE, freedom to update their balance quickly and painlessly, and still maintain the freedom of creating a living universe and a decidedly "DUST 514" gameplay. Better yet, cross-pollination with current PS2 players and the EVE playerbase could bring that fresh market they were hoping for all along. SOE wins, CCP wins, the players wins. I wish it would be seriously considered.

So they just get a pass on everything because they throw money at you?

No wonder all these Republicans keep getting elected with all their "tax cuts".

And who says it will remain that way perpetually?

They have said that they intend to develop this game beyond the lifespan of the PS3, after all.

Of course, you're just going to argue that it'll never make it that far, so I won't go to the trouble of making another long post.

There are far better things to do then wait around for Dust514 to getgoodGäó

Now you are talking about stuff that hypothetically MIGHT be in Dust514 in .... 2? 3? 5?+ years?

From the level of effort I've seen from CCP so far (not on individual devs) this game will have no interesting features for many many years.

Relevant - http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/08/02/first-look-everquest-next/

Planetside2 shows SOE is a company that MIGHT be able to deliver Eqnext. CCP? Lol.

And Matt Higby stated a while back that there are many people on the game design team that still want to prove they can "do BFRs the right way".

With their track record, do you really believe they can pull that off?

I'm still discussing this because I used to chug the SOE Kool Aid myself, and got burned as a result.

Yet you chug the CCP kool aid, they can't deliver and they screw up more then anyone around. Please just stop, the Amarrian roleplayers arent as deluded as a cult as the cult of EVEtards.

Why, because I'm more willing to believe in a studio that only has one good game to their name so far as opposed to one that has so many failed ones, that in some cases were good until they broke them with mechanics that no one wanted or needed?

Be honest with me, all of you who are still arguing this point: are you going to biomass your characters?

Not stop playing, not uninstall the game, but destroy all your characters?

If you aren't willing to take that final step, you're just blowing hot air.

And who says it will remain that way perpetually?

They have said that they intend to develop this game beyond the lifespan of the PS3, after all.

Of course, you're just going to argue that it'll never make it that far, so I won't go to the trouble of making another long post.

There are far better things to do then wait around for Dust514 to getgoodGäó

Now you are talking about stuff that hypothetically MIGHT be in Dust514 in .... 2? 3? 5?+ years?

From the level of effort I've seen from CCP so far (not on individual devs) this game will have no interesting features for many many years.

Relevant - http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/08/02/first-look-everquest-next/

Planetside2 shows SOE is a company that MIGHT be able to deliver Eqnext. CCP? Lol.

I hear that..... I was all up in that SoE Snatch 'till DCUO went from P2P -> F2P op P2P -> P2W + P2P + Aesthetic Micros (Then added to PvP P2W....& I left). I hear they now have Orbital Bombardments & Barbie's Dreamhouse

@ EVERYONE

Screw EVE Planetside 514.....I'll be where the Battles truly matter, METAL GEAR ONLINE 3!!!!! *Guzzles FoxDie Cola while scarfing down Kojima Cakes*

Yea and if i want to play a F2P lobby shooter ill just play Blacklight Retribution, no matter what category Dust falls in there is something out there thats does it better and is more fun. Really the fanbois cant argue this all they have is lolPotential.

It doesnt even have one good Game. EVE is NOT a good game, its a game where bad gamers go to think they are good that is all.

And again: opinions.

But that's nothing to worry about considering that anyone that doesn't share your opinions is just inferior to you.

QFT

hell no. Carbon engine on PS4 and new stuff is all it needs after (hopefully) 1.6.

Wow, Telc, you've really been downing the SOE Kool Aid.

If you think for even a second that SOE is capable of building Planetside 2 up into a space game good enough and with enough depth to be an EVE killer, you're being rather blind to their long history of making either broken games, or good games that they break later with terrible updates.

We all know what happened to the first Planetside, after all. There's a reason John Smedley is referred to as "The Lord of Lies".

After playing through the Tech Test, the Closed Beta, and then more than half a year of the release, I watched them push cosmetics while putting any new meaningful content on the back burner, and watched them get sales on new weapons by nerfing old ones.

I'm as bitter as I am on this subject because I was a complete Planetside 2 fanboy. When people tried to warn me not to get my hopes up, I just laughed and pointed to all the cool fights I was participating in, and all the posts they made on the forums about cool content that was coming soon.

I believed, and I got burned. Planetside 2 was my second MMO, and I wish I'd picked a better one to get that invested in.


Now, before you just reply back that I think Dust is great because I suck, or something, this game isn't at all what I was hoping to be a part of either.

The sum-total interaction between the two is orbital strikes, which I had some guy in SI tell me was worthless because EVE players can't be trusted to push the button fast enough.

You can say that the POS tower bonuses to PC infrastructure is a link, but no one really gives a **** about that. It's not enough of a bonus to make an EVE player want to drag all their production out to low-sec where it can be attacked.

Orbital Strikes, lauded as a game-changer, are just me whoring myself out for a Dust player's killstreak.

There's no ISK flow, no industry, not even a social space we can share. You don't even get a change of Local channel when you join a battle in Dust, so a lot of EVE players never even see a Dust player.

I get that they wanted to go for what Torfi said about "if all the EVE players were to die in a meteor impact, Dust would still go on, and vise versa", but what we have now is proof that that doesn't work.

If you want the two games to cooperate, you have to not just try and prod them to do so, but either provide new content that relies on that connection, or adjust existing content to make them more dependent on each other.

I got into Dust thinking that Districts would be the PI colonies you could set up on planets, so that when I set up a colony, I was making a map for Dust players. Districts don't even show up in Planet View in EVE, and I could put a PI colony right over where the District should be and it doesn't mean anything.

I also got into Dust hoping to spec into Fighters and take on enemy Fighters or provide close air support over large-scale battlefields. These maps are barely a kilometer across, and flying even a Dropship is like asking to die.


The reason I'm never getting rid of my character, even if I may spend time just accruing Passive while I pursue other things, is because while CCP stumbles, breaks things, makes grand pronouncements they can't back up later, and sometimes just leaves me scratching my head in bewilderment with some of the decisions they make, EVE was my first MMO not only because of the world it represents, but because I fell in love with their vision.

There's a lot of that vision that's still yet to come, but over the last few years they've been working on delivering it, especially now that they're working both on that and fixing things that were left broken for years.

I'm with the CPM on this one. If 1.4 doesn't go well, CCP is going to have a ***** of a time trying to salvage this project. However, I have confidence that CCP Shanghai is no happier about this game being what it is right now than we are, and that they're working their asses off to fix their mistakes and get back on the right track.

At the end of the day, I'll pick CCP over SOE anytime.