Not one of those things is gameplay that EVE provided. You generated the adventure in the barest of sandboxes. Maybe CCP deserves credit for providing the venue. Now tell me again why DUST shouldn't aspire to be more like PS2?

And it's really getting old to bash a game on lies. At least the problems I hope get fixed with DUST 514 actually exist.

CryEngine 3 is terrible for trying to run anything more than a 16-player lobby shooter.

Before you even try and call bullshit, why do you think that after anouncing MechWarrior Online as a 24 player game, they released it to Open Beta as a 16 player game, and are only now even testing 12v12?

I've had some experience with development on the CryEngine. It's very pretty, but it's far from perfect.

The biggest problem with this would be that PS2 is a steaming pile of crap. Especially the part where you have to be in the fight where you're overwhelming the enemy with numbers to have fun. Otherwise you get to just get stomped at the front where the enemy has overwhelming numbers. DUST needs to continue building it's own niche not steal from someone else and hope their players migrate over.

Both games are ****, deal with it.

But do two ***** make you give a crap?

Because it is not a terrible game? I'm not sure how you can say that objectively with any hint of sincerity. Maybe it's not a game you like but it certainly captures many of the immersive dynamics DUST 514 originally intended to fulfill.

Pray tell, what could PS2 learn from DUST 514?

Not in the slightest ^_^
I invested in this pos, both time and mercenary packs, I better see it through til it dies.

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Not in the slightest ^_^
I invested in this pos, both time and mercenary packs, I better see it through til it dies.

If 1.4 flops as either broken or significantly under-delivers (4 stat tweaks = a build, really?) are you willing to call it?

Very little, because Dust sucks as well. PS2 is not exactly an upgrade either, it's a sidegrade and it's a bad one.

You play Dust, you get bad mechanics with the promise of even numbers and theoretically an even fight.

You play PS2, you will always have a lopsided fight by the numbers where tactics do nothing exept make the fight longer or shorter, never changing the outcome of anything. And if you do win, who cares. Whatever you took will be gone by the time you wake up.

In PS2 you will never, under any circumstances, get a "good fight". It is impossible. Not because of the aiming mechanics or similar problems like Dust has, but because the game simply works in a way where it cannot and will not happen ever. The numbers are always lopsided. It's the type of game where competitive gamers go to die because everything was already decided before the fight even began.

Will call it on 1.5, 1.4 can burn I'm not Infantry :D

But the vehicle changes are purportedly 1.4 ... or did they excuse themselves yet again?

Well with Dust, 16 versus 16 can actually result in a good fight if both teams rise to the occasion.

In PS2, one side will always outnumber the other, and if both sides are evenly matched in skill it will simply come down to the numbers making it a pre-determined outcome from the start.

So I'm not full of it. PS2 is flawed from the get-go.

The only way a person can find a "good fight" in PS2 is if he is not actually fighting for anything at all and is in the game as a pure soloist, looking to get himself in over his head and challenge his limits that way. That is the only way the game has any merit, and at that point its just a giant team deathmatch.

If you play the game how it was intended to be played, it is completely pointless as a competitive gamer.

Have you seen the coming battle islands?

Well with Dust, 16 versus 16 can actually result in a good fight if both teams rise to the occasion.

In PS2, one side will always outnumber the other, and if both sides are evenly matched in skill it will simply come down to the numbers making it a pre-determined outcome from the start.

So I'm not full of it. PS2 is flawed from the get-go.

The only way a person can find a "good fight" in PS2 is if he is not actually fighting for anything at all and is in the game as a pure soloist, looking to get himself in over his head and challenge his limits that way. That is the only way the game has any merit, and at that point its just a giant team deathmatch.

If you play the game how it was intended to be played, it is completely pointless as a competitive gamer.

PS2 is currently more competitive than DUST514 and is doing more to cater to competitive players than DUST514. #FactsOnly

Not really.

See what I did there?

PS2 has MLG
Dust has Urgent Fury

Not even a contest.

Because MLG is something anyone other than the people in it care about.

Yeah, ok.

You realize that that MLG crap pushed back the continent and new bases we were all looking forward to?

Can't say that I have. I gave up on the game a while ago.

Let me ask you something though. In your time with PS2 what can you honestly claim you, as a player, have accomplished?

In Dust you could say "We took and held this region of space" or "we won this tournament". What can you say about PS2 that has any merit whatsoever, though?

"We took an outpost that changes hands five times a day! Yea!".

Not exactly inspiring.

Also the worst part of Planetside 2, you can't win.

Also the worst part of Planetside 2, you can't win.

CCP should work out a deal with SOE to make DUST 514 a modded Planetside 2 server.

I know what you're thinking.

Hear me out though:

Planetside 2 is a robust mixed arms game. It can handle linked facilities, shields, walls, gates, defenses, canyons, tunnels, open fields, air combat, vegetation... It has a lot of the pieces we all were expecting of DUST 514. Features in development include constructable defenses, orbital bombardments, continental conquest and a revamped resource system that makes wars of attrition meaningful. Those features are expected by the end of the year.

DUST 514 could be a fantastic high health, 4 (or even more!) faction mod of PS2 with tighter resources for special equipment and greater faction diversity. Without worrying about how to make aiming work or even how to design the netcode, they can just focus on their strengths - art and asymmetrical balancing.

Using the resources already in place, DUST can translate a lot of their themes using PS2 mechanics.

The "Forever War"

Faction Warfare takes place on 4 main planets at launch, 1 for each faction. These can be as large or small as CCP likes but I recommend at least PS2 continent sized. The alert code can be changed to trigger access to special areas such as asteroids, pirate bases or space stations and even maybe titans. I'm sure with just a little arm twisting these can actually be coded to trigger based on events in EVE, since SOE already has api code for exporting the results.

Interplanetary Travel Network

Instead of warping around the maps with the gates, you warp to warbarges. These act as VR rooms in space. If you want to travel to a new planet, you have to wait in the VR room to simulate "travel time". Use the code for crowded servers in a new way to make space travel feel meaningful. Fight clubs (with EVE betting possible with integrated twitch streaming in PS2) could also take place aboard the barges.

Veni, vidi, vici

SOE is delivering outfit capturing and continent conquest soon. Complete with redecoration and resource perks. This could very easily be small isolated areas outside of the "big 4", say around the size of the upcoming battle islands. To make the game less of a punch clock, they would only be accessible for small windows, not 24/7. So while there may be hundreds of planets to conquer, there are only a few hot spots at any given time. You can plan on sneak attacks, joint operations, backstabs to your heart's content but you have to fight to take it and win. It's likely you'll need to form coalitions since anyone can show up looking to snag your prize.

I would just copy PS2's progression, fitting, cosmetics, and monitization scheme wholesale; they are solid for a F2P fps. It would honestly take an essay to fully flesh out the translation, but I know it would be a better format for portraying the struggle of all out warfare, logistics, and tactics that meaningful gameplay can emerge from. Of course it's a pipe dream, but CCP should think long and hard about it. Instant simultaneous access to PS4 and PC, continual updates to the client provided by SOE, freedom to update their balance quickly and painlessly, and still maintain the freedom of creating a living universe and a decidedly "DUST 514" gameplay. Better yet, cross-pollination with current PS2 players and the EVE playerbase could bring that fresh market they were hoping for all along. SOE wins, CCP wins, the players wins. I wish it would be seriously considered.

Mobius(zergling) and people who are crying about zerging -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5K3AKl5qpc

Fighting outnumbered is one of the best things in gaming.

I can't say I remember any particular fight I ever had in Dust514 (and that was when I played Dust514) yet many of my fights in PS2 already stand out...

Actually, the good thing about PS2 is you can't win, means you play it a lot longer ^_^

And Noc, Wolfman said 1.5 ^_^

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