Coming from a player that used almost nothing but swarms for almost a year now (including proto), I disagree about the projectile being slower.

Tanks are far too quick (LAV's ever even quicker), and can easily back off when in danger from AV... only time they can't back off too quickly is with a forge, and IMO that works just fine.

Swarms are mostly useless against tanks cause they just run into cover before they can get hit, but it is a breath of fresh air when the forge can hit them instantly.

Swarms are slow enough as it is, no reason to make forge guns that way too (especially since only slow-ass heavy's can use them, they are vulnerable enough as it is and need that insta-hit ability to be effective).

Ok i agree with you.

But 1600 damage hitting instantly, and it's already hard to tell where it came from, so thats kind of foolish

simple, add some scope glare, or something that you can see snipers but not make them like a sitting light.

make the forge gun charge thing super bright. makes it so people know where you are when charging.

Forge guns need to light up their surroundings when charging like they used to. You never know that there's a forge gunner until he hits you. You can see swarms incoming (if they are rendered).

I agree, It's a huge ball of electricity, It should be rather obvious when it's chargeing

Forge guns need to light up their surroundings when charging like they used to. You never know that there's a forge gunner until he hits you. You can see swarms incoming (if they are rendered).

Anyone who has seen me in game would know that i have both Proto Forge and Proto HMG.

The forge gun is a very deadly weapon, with over 1500 direct damage it is enough to one hit any infantry soldier.

so looking at the Proto assault forge, (Ishukone) it is very deadly toward infantry. It will still need 2-3 hits of splash to take down a well built assault logi or heavy class.

In my opinion, it should have a slightly smaller blast radius, and slightly lowered splash damage. Making it a more direct hit style of a gun.

It ain't easy getting direct hits with a forge, sense you will have to be farther away in order not to get seen and shot. Forge gun can't perform good up close.


Against vehicles

The forge gun is a monster against vehicles, you can deal well over 3000 damage in just 5 seconds, thats fine in my opinion.

All i want to see be done with forge guns vs tanks are, Make the forge gun projectile have a lowered speed, meaning more time to be able to see it coming at you.

Be able to see when someone is charging it at a distance.

The projectile is bigger in the air. Meaning so you can see when someone has a forge gun.

Ok i agree with you.

But 1600 damage hitting instantly, and it's already hard to tell where it came from, so thats kind of foolish

what i wanna know is why tank railguns dont do near the damage of a higher level forge wtf is the reasoning behind that, i mean comon its a damn tank turret, tank rails should alays do more dps than a forge

They do, over time. DPS isn't where they lose, they lose on burst.

what does that mean, they do more over time, they loose on burst???

What I would like to see happen for forge guns, is that they get an effective range, say medium range to be fair, after that much distance is traveled the shot looses power like every other infintry weapon (except sniper rifle). A big glow like it used to have, maybe have a few mosquitoes die around it or something j/k. Then a 1/4 reduction in splash damage radius, as I understand it, this gun should be a direct fire, looking to just destroy things in its path not be like the mass driver in a way. I do not mind dying to a well placed or a lucky shot, that happens, what I do mind is when people carelessly throw about explosives and explosive projectiles. (Orbital strike really annoys me in this regard) If the gun was to keep its splash damage radius, I really do hope a form of team damage comes into effect soon.

Those who say the forge is fine clearly haven't used vehicles, more specifically dropships.

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In my opinion, it should have a slightly smaller blast radius, and slightly lowered splash damage. Making it a more direct hit style of a gun.

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what i wanna know is why tank railguns dont do near the damage of a higher level forge wtf is the reasoning behind that, i mean comon its a damn tank turret, tank rails should alays do more dps than a forge

I have never understood this complaint from tankers. Your rail gun is a OHK to infantry just like my forge... And it fires faster.
I have no issues with the rail gun but why so much complaining about it?

Coming from a player that used almost nothing but swarms for almost a year now (including proto), I disagree about the projectile being slower.

Tanks are far too quick (LAV's ever even quicker), and can easily back off when in danger from AV... only time they can't back off too quickly is with a forge, and IMO that works just fine.

Swarms are mostly useless against tanks cause they just run into cover before they can get hit, but it is a breath of fresh air when the forge can hit them instantly.

Swarms are slow enough as it is, no reason to make forge guns that way too (especially since only slow-ass heavy's can use them, they are vulnerable enough as it is and need that insta-hit ability to be effective).

No, leave it alone. Forges need that range to stay alive from HAVs. Nothing wrong with the FG, once again leave it alone. Dear lord people just have to whine about weapons in this game, doesn't matter what it is, they always seem to find one.

The forge projectile is too effective against aerial targets. A veteran of the skies, I have to near always recall my vessel if the team is fielding ONE forge gunner.

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I'm sorry, but for those who say "forge guns are fine, dropships suck":

If we buffed dropships now to make them able to survive or against forge guns to the point they're actually effective on the battlefield, dropships WILL become OP. Undoubtedly. Without a forge gun I survive full games in my Prometheus. Add one Ishukone Assault FG and I'm gone.

A prototype forge gun is equal to two prototype swarms, and 3 prototype swarms if I'm using an afterburner.

I believe the aiming reticle on the forge gun should reflect a little dispersion.

Make that reticle a little smaller but have forge gun rounds fire randomly within the reticle. That means as long as your target takes up the whole reticle (a tank or LAV/dropship in close-medium range) you will definitely hit it. But at longer ranges, dropships become harder to hit and infantry too.

No need to change damage, projectile speed, range. Just add a little dispersion. Then the FG skill can lower reticle size and hence dispersion, instead of charge time, because charge time is meant to be a key weakness to the FG and should be highlighted.

what i wanna know is why tank railguns dont do near the damage of a higher level forge wtf is the reasoning behind that, i mean comon its a damn tank turret, tank rails should alays do more dps than a forge

Well, as an assault/ground-pound player I can't deny being hit from some unknown location and losing a crap-ton of health is annoying (*cough*snipers*cough*)

I witnessed this tonight in the first match I played with the assault forge, was that the tank I was hitting was absolutely oblivious to where the shots were coming from. He started to back up, not knowing it made him more vulnerable to me and my forge.

But hey, until we get the ability to locate sniper hits as infantry, tanks should be just as oblivious to forge hits. This isn't just a forge problem, it is a universal problem.

People seem confused here, but let me be clear.

I use the forge gun, i like the forge gun.

I don't want a nerf, i want a balance.

All i really want to see, is the ability for a tanker (for example) to see someone charging a forge gun.

This would solve many problems, including, rooftop forge gunners. dropship hunters.

With the ability to shoot a massive high damage energy weapon, how come we can't see them being charged?

We can see swarms in the air (mostly) but forge gun shots are so fast, it's hard to tell where they came from. You can't see him high up on the roof, most likely sitting where only his head would poke out anyways. So if we could see them charging up, that would be perfect in my opinion.

Don't touch the forge gun lol seriously. This is sad

So an Assault Rifle can't attain 100% accuracy firing from the hip but a giant-ass cannon can? Unless forge gun bipods are implemented, dispersion makes sense.

To the argument "not all maps are for dropships". No ****! That's because all maps have wide open skies begging for AV to shoot us down!

To the argument "dropships can get away after the first hit". Oh, great. Only to be shot down if we try do our job once we've repaired. That's 20-30 seconds waiting for our HP to regenerate with our reppers, then another 30-40 seconds waiting for the cooldowns so we can survive, all this time I have 2-3 people on my team spawning in who have to wait and do nothing because I NEED full HP to go out, or that forge gun will have me.

Do you guys even understand the role of the dropship? We want to get troops to positions they couldn't normally access quickly or effectively. This means we can't simply skirt the edges of the redline, avoiding AV all game. Sure, we'd stay alive, but what's the point of my in-built mCRU? We have to get people to places, and when we do we die way too quickly.

Effectively, you've denied at least an eighth of the other team from doing anything, and you can still kill the rest of the team using that same weapon. Could the CalLogi do that? No. Could the flaylock do that? Nope.