So, basically you're saying that you make something, people like it, they get fun with it and spend their time, so then you screw it, so they didn't waste their time but they need to find another way to get fun.
That's your plan? Keep players ******* all the content just to change the other?
Nice one CCP Mintchip. Very friendly

You missed my point.
They gave the explanation that you asked for. You just aren't happy with it.

If you don't think the SP cost is worthwhile for sidearms, then don't spend it there. Everybody understands that you get diminishing returns from your sp. Apply that to sidearms and you'll see that they're there to compliment you main, not to replace it.

Hey Mintchip, you all at ccp still realize this sidearm still out dps most every weapon, and is easier to fit than most other sidearms? The weapon is OK balanced now though (would have rather seen a fire rate fix instead of damage) minus being easy to fit, so everyone will still use them over most any other sidearm. 3 shots is still enough to destroy my Gallente armor suit, just takes slightly more skill.

LOL - fail

The explanation they gave was not substantive. It could have been because daddy says so. Is that acceptable??? Did I check the box? Yes - anyway moving on.

Also round and round you go - I just argued how the SMG can function perfectly on its own.

Its obvious you dont want to see the other side. I try to and have spoken with many who just wanted to keep the flaylock OP and I argued against that. I argued with Cal Logis who saw no issue their suit and weapon but wanted other stuff nerfed to keep their cushy life. I also questioned some of the suggestions some scouts are putting forward because it would give the class too much of an edge and I'm a scout.

You are just spouting not actually trying to converse. WOFT

Hey Mintchip, you all at ccp still realize this sidearm still out dps most every weapon, and is easier to fit than most other sidearms? The weapon is OK balanced now though (would have rather seen a fire rate fix instead of damage) minus being easy to fit, so everyone will still use them over most any other sidearm. 3 shots is still enough to destroy my Gallente armor suit, just takes slightly more skill.

@Chunky Munkey - I never said the SMG was as good a pre-nerfed Flaylock and I never said the flaylock didnt need nerfing.

I use flaylocks on my minja scout, and after a few games this morning... I don't notice too much of a difference.

I love hitting people long range with it. It must be quite the surprise when they see GN-20 on the feed.

Shame you just listen to the bad players like the CPMs, the CCP members, and the silly guys. Good players will still kill bad players even with scramble pistols in the 2 weapons slots. The only thing you get with this is kick out more players because you just make their time wasted.

But meh, it's a good plan too, because players that suck so much will buy all those "amazing" packs that make you a better and very good soldier.

Lol.

Time isn't wasted

We don't want to over-correct, so we are definitely watching for feedback like this. We'll, and you'll, know more as things progress. To truly see what the trends are! :)

When Shotgun hit detection gets fixed, you're all ******.

I love the posts about "Ive been owned by a scrambler pistol, how come they arent considered OP?"

Cause they require actual skill to use and even then poor hit detection makes them a bit of a crapshoot. Yes, a SCP can 1-2 shot almost everyone and can do so in the blink of an eye, but it requires head shots to do so, not "shoot within 2.5 meters."

That being said, used correctly, SCP is the best gun in the game in close ranges.

Wait, is the fitting still crazy low? While not nerfing every aspect of a thing simultaneously is good I had thought the lack of fitting costs was a mistake, not by design. Had kinda assumed there might be a correction on that score at some point.

Not lobbying for it, just surprised.

Not entirely true - it does more damage v shields (iirc) and if you put your shots on the target you do hella lot of dmg. Now you can escape the optimal range kind of easy if you have the speed and they havent skilled sharpshooter but the same can be said now for the flaylock because you cant really kill anymore with 1 clip so you will have to reload giving the enemy chance to engage you or retreat.

EDIT: Looked around on here and I see it stated (cant confirm) the SMG does 94% damage to shields where the flaylock does 70%

-> 24 x .94 x 40 (thats half of your clip missing) = 902.4
-> 174 x .7 x 3 = 365.4

Just saying

You know what grinds my gears?

I've been slaughtered by people using the SMG and the scram pistol as main weapons, the pro versions are crazy and yet not a ******* word on them being abused as a main when it should be a sidearm, I'm not one to usually get mad (go read my posts) but this is the kind of crap that gets me.

Was the nerf due to it being a sidearm used as a main or because it really was op? You guys contradict too much.

I haven't played with the flaylock since it's adjustments so I can't give any feedback on it yet, I've saved 600k sp just incase it's unusable though.

Hey Mintchip, you all at ccp still realize this sidearm still out dps most every weapon, and is easier to fit than most other sidearms? The weapon is OK balanced now though (would have rather seen a fire rate fix instead of damage) minus being easy to fit, so everyone will still use them over most any other sidearm. 3 shots is still enough to destroy my Gallente armor suit, just takes slightly more skill.

You just ignored everything that was said.
The weapon was nerfed in a way that did not change its standard behaviour. This means that those who used it will still be able to use it in the exact same scenarios. It just won't be as devastatingly effective as it used to be.

If you have a complaint with how it behaves now, then it's clear that you were using this weapon not because you liked the playstyle it excelled in, but precisely because it was OP.

My advice to you.

You just ignored everything that was said.
The weapon was nerfed in a way that did not change its standard behaviour. This means that those who used it will still be able to use it in the exact same scenarios. It just won't be as devastatingly effective as it used to be.

If you have a complaint with how it behaves now, then it's clear that you were using this weapon not because you liked the playstyle it excelled in, but precisely because it was OP.

My advice to you.

At the risk of making this sound like a schoolground yeling match:

I'm not the one avoiding conversation, you are.
You asked for the reason, they gave it. You just aren't happy with the reason.
You say it contradicts itself. It does. That doesn't stop it being the reason.

Sidearms aren't meant to function as a main. Just because a few Eastwoods out there can make use of the scrambler pistol, and just because a few smartypants have figured out how to get the most from their Minny assault bonuses, doesn't put flaylocks on the buff list.

The issue isn't that I don't want to see the other side, the issue is that I've seen it, and it is inadequate.

Skill into the SMG and show us all how it's just as good as the pre-nerf flaylock. Go ahead.
I'm sure the massive surge in its use was just a chance occurrance.

Not entirely true - it does more damage v shields (iirc) and if you put your shots on the target you do hella lot of dmg. Now you can escape the optimal range kind of easy if you have the speed and they havent skilled sharpshooter but the same can be said now for the flaylock because you cant really kill anymore with 1 clip so you will have to reload giving the enemy chance to engage you or retreat.

EDIT: Looked around on here and I see it stated (cant confirm) the SMG does 94% damage to shields where the flaylock does 70%

-> 24 x .94 x 40 (thats half of your clip missing) = 902.4
-> 174 x .7 x 3 = 365.4

Just saying

thats the point. it requires skill.
A. in 1 second a militia SMG does 459 damage.
with a clip of 80, that does a total of 2000 damage in that one clip, thats 20 bullets.
so, 20 bullets from a militia SMG does that much damage.
it takes a flaylock a full clip with aim and timing to do that DPS. (even with direct hits it takes 1.5 seconds to unload a flaylocks clip without taking time to aim. even at that its dps is only in the mid 300s)

B. now factor in that a SMG is a spray to win, weapon and you have your self a deadly bullet hose. with this DPS a milita SMG can tear through 3 std gallente suits in the time it takews a flaylock to harm 1, especially after this nerf.

the flaylocks now are perfectly balanced. i haven't seen anyone but myself, and perhaps 4-5 people using them all day even in PC (i played in the afternoon a bit, went to class, and played a PC, then some more pubs)

many people specced into scrambler pistols, and i saw quite a few ADV SMGs. flaylocks are no where near as deadly as an AR ever was, is, and will be. i speced into them, i got them proto, and i still use the standard and get great results because you can't nerf my skills, and thats what AR noobs are scared of. and be very scared because now i am going to stomp with the breach flaylock!
nobody doubts your skill im sure but the flaylock is not skillful. Its a blast radius weapon. But good to see the Flaylock is no running over primary weapons anymore thank god.

thats the point. it requires skill.
A. in 1 second a militia SMG does 459 damage.
with a clip of 80, that does a total of 2000 damage in that one clip, thats 20 bullets.
so, 20 bullets from a militia SMG does that much damage.
it takes a flaylock a full clip with aim and timing to do that DPS. (even with direct hits it takes 1.5 seconds to unload a flaylocks clip without taking time to aim. even at that its dps is only in the mid 300s)

B. now factor in that a SMG is a spray to win, weapon and you have your self a deadly bullet hose. with this DPS a milita SMG can tear through 3 std gallente suits in the time it takews a flaylock to harm 1, especially after this nerf.

the flaylocks now are perfectly balanced. i haven't seen anyone but myself, and perhaps 4-5 people using them all day even in PC (i played in the afternoon a bit, went to class, and played a PC, then some more pubs)

many people specced into scrambler pistols, and i saw quite a few ADV SMGs. flaylocks are no where near as deadly as an AR ever was, is, and will be. i speced into them, i got them proto, and i still use the standard and get great results because you can't nerf my skills, and thats what AR noobs are scared of. and be very scared because now i am going to stomp with the breach flaylock!

Flaylock and mass drivers take no skill , just aim the ground and you win.