Really enjoying seeing the feedback from both sides on this. I am hopeful that this does allow the flaylock to still be used but not so much as a primary as was mentioned above. The fact that you're still able to use the weapon for the purpose it was intended while not feeling like it's a completely useless side is pretty good news.

While there are a lot of differing opinions, they are all appreciated! Thanks!

Shame you just listen to the bad players like the CPMs, the CCP members, and the silly guys. Good players will still kill bad players even with scramble pistols in the 2 weapons slots. The only thing you get with this is kick out more players because you just make their time wasted.

But meh, it's a good plan too, because players that suck so much will buy all those "amazing" packs that make you a better and very good soldier.

Lol.

Shame you just listen to the bad players like the CPMs, the CCP members, and the silly guys. Good players will still kill bad players even with scramble pistols in the 2 weapons slots. The only thing you get with this is kick out more players because you just make their time wasted.

But meh, it's a good plan too, because players that suck so much will buy all those "amazing" packs that make you a better and very good soldier.

Lol.

I think any weapon should be able to kill given its in its niche. That shouldnt include having to use flux to drop shields.

They could have reduced RoF, range of projectile and still streamlined the radius and reduced some splash but left the direct hits with higher damage.

Most other weapons dont have to be used in conjunction with another weapon, you just need to get into the right range / situation.

Anyway - I only use it about 20% of the time or less and I use it mostly how it must be used now or if I surprised someone at an objective. I just disagree mostly on principle.

Really enjoying seeing the feedback from both sides on this. I am hopeful that this does allow the flaylock to still be used but not so much as a primary as was mentioned above. The fact that you're still able to use the weapon for the purpose it was intended while not feeling like it's a completely useless side is pretty good news.

While there are a lot of differing opinions, they are all appreciated! Thanks!

Really enjoying seeing the feedback from both sides on this. I am hopeful that this does allow the flaylock to still be used but not so much as a primary as was mentioned above. The fact that you're still able to use the weapon for the purpose it was intended while not feeling like it's a completely useless side is pretty good news.

While there are a lot of differing opinions, they are all appreciated! Thanks!

What would be nice in a few weeks would be a post from Wolfman or whomever on why these changes were made and not others suggested.

Also a broad statement on how you see weapons. Should they all stand on their own or are some "better" than others.

Really enjoying seeing the feedback from both sides on this. I am hopeful that this does allow the flaylock to still be used but not so much as a primary as was mentioned above. The fact that you're still able to use the weapon for the purpose it was intended while not feeling like it's a completely useless side is pretty good news.

While there are a lot of differing opinions, they are all appreciated! Thanks!

The SMG is no different. Taking on a shield-tank with it is a fool's errand without a flux.

Not entirely true - it does more damage v shields (iirc) and if you put your shots on the target you do hella lot of dmg. Now you can escape the optimal range kind of easy if you have the speed and they havent skilled sharpshooter but the same can be said now for the flaylock because you cant really kill anymore with 1 clip so you will have to reload giving the enemy chance to engage you or retreat.

There was a dev blog that covered this and other nerfs in great detail.

Really enjoying seeing the feedback from both sides on this. I am hopeful that this does allow the flaylock to still be used but not so much as a primary as was mentioned above. The fact that you're still able to use the weapon for the purpose it was intended while not feeling like it's a completely useless side is pretty good news.

While there are a lot of differing opinions, they are all appreciated! Thanks!

Your complaint is counter intuitive. CCP based their nerf off of stats like increased KDRs for those who picked up a Flaylock.
In other words; it was nerfed because it wasn't a skilled weapon like the scrambler pistol, and because it was a crutch for the very players you're complaining about.

Methinks you got your OP weapon nerfed and now you're upset that you can't pwn like you used to.

Sorry - that was garbage with contradictions.

You're assuming the company that put contact nades on sale before nerfing them days later, made rational decisions with the flaylock.

Or maybe the reason their KDR went up was because they gained more skillpoints, got more skilled, and played a little more now that they were having some fun. You know sometimes things like that happen.

Video game logic- a bullet in the foot is just as lethal as one through the heart.

It's an explanation whether you like it or not. You're assuming the company that put contact nades on sale before nerfing them days later, made rational decisions with the flaylock.

You know what grinds my gears?

I've been slaughtered by people using the SMG and the scram pistol as main weapons, the pro versions are crazy and yet not a ******* word on them being abused as a main when it should be a sidearm, I'm not one to usually get mad (go read my posts) but this is the kind of crap that gets me.

Was the nerf due to it being a sidearm used as a main or because it really was op? You guys contradict too much.

I haven't played with the flaylock since it's adjustments so I can't give any feedback on it yet, I've saved 600k sp just incase it's unusable though.

Shame you just listen to the bad players like the CPMs, the CCP members, and the silly guys. Good players will still kill bad players even with scramble pistols in the 2 weapons slots. The only thing you get with this is kick out more players because you just make their time wasted.

But meh, it's a good plan too, because players that suck so much will buy all those "amazing" packs that make you a better and very good soldier.

Lol.

You know what grinds my gears?

I've been slaughtered by people using the SMG and the scram pistol as main weapons, the pro versions are crazy and yet not a ******* word on them being abused as a main when it should be a sidearm, I'm not one to usually get mad (go read my posts) but this is the kind of crap that gets me.

Was the nerf due to it being a sidearm used as a main or because it really was op? You guys contradict too much.

I wasnt assuming anything. I disregarded it because it was fluff and double talk.

Thats why I asked in this thread for at least a statement as to why they made the nerfs where they did instead of other areas and how they see weapons in general.

I have no issue with the mechanic of using weapons in concert but when you have an SP system that treats all of them near identical in terms of "learning them" I think it is poor to shortchange some very much.

Time isn't wasted, if you are playing and training into a weapon/playstyle and are having fun then that time was well-spent. If you continue to find things in the game that you enjoy doing and improve upon them that's exactly what we want. If something changes within the game because of balancing, it will, ideally, become balanced to the game. So while not as powerful as before should still be something that you enjoy playing. If it was only chosen because it was over-powered and not a style that you particularly cared for - chances are there's not much that will satiate you.

As for good players still killing bad players. Absolutely, skill can determine a battle that is not something we want to balance against. Our data showed the weapon may need tweaking, along with the player feedback a choice was made to do some adjustments. We will see how this goes. :)