One small corp has proto stomped, used overpowered weapons, cheap exploit tactics and spawned killed it to death. One corp of about 10 guys. How does that make you feel CPP? A market of a billion people, destroyed by a handful. Slow clap fellas.

After all this time, the server is dead as *****. All this is because CCP has completely failed to make a game for Playstation users. Instead they made a dudebros game for the Eve antisocial type who do anything to win "spying and sabotage is so meta crowd." And they pushed out the playstation FPS players. The keyboard is the first clue.

Why is PC messed up? That crowd.
Why are game numbers down? That crowd. "Can I have your stuff?"
Why didn't they fix AFK farming? That crowd.
Why exploiters aren't banned? That crowd.
Why no SP reset on game launch day? That crowd.

What do I think has gone wrong? Very simple.
They listened to that crowd.

The problems with PC are the same issues as pub stomping, flavour of the week weapons use and MCC AFK farming. A spoiled brat self entitled anti-social EVE player playerbase that CCP doesn't have the balls to smack down for fear of reprisals in EVE.

MCC AFK farmers should have been banned and or stripped of SP starting from day 1.
Proper matchmaking via gear restriction tiers implemented so K/D farmers had to fight for it.
On 5/14 and end of beta testing all SP should have been reset.
Anyone caught using exploits banned.

Why didn't this happen?

Because there wouldn't have been any o'time Eve players left. Hilarious, because instead you would have had your market of dudebros playing their FPS... you know... that MASSIVE market you were trying to break into. Whoops

I guess the game having no new content for so long, or the fact that the game still feels like I'm wading through mud has nothing to do with people leaving?

AFK'ers have no effect on people leaving, in fact some people are still on DUST BECAUSE they can still AFK.

Matchmaking issues has been brought up since early Chromosome. CCP ignored the feedback or was busy taking vacations... so w/e at this point. Nullabor is working on a matchmaking system now, but it's kinda closing the barn door when the horse has already escaped.

How are people exploiting or cheating? You made no example.

SP reset? loooool... if that happened there would be FAR less people playing this game.

No I'm not a lolEVE player. I just wanna shoot people, and when that doesn't feel fun anymore, people will leave.

Did you not happen to see the several page long, few thousand views, hundreds of replies 377/1 gorrilrape match?

there is your example, and it is going to ruin this game if there is never any consequence

I agree with op entirely. The evetards have pushed this game into what it was intended to be. A proto-pub-stomp-fest. So sub-par players can compete with fps from the playstation nation. Dedicated no lifers (eve players) who can proto stomp because they have the time to afk and cap on a weekly basis on multiple accounts. We psn players have played many many shooters, this is all evetards got, so they stick to their guns. Ps4 and planetside cant come any quicker for me.

More time envested the easier mode it becomes.

I didn't read, cuz i didn't care.

1 guy boosted = people exploiting / cheating?

One small corp has proto stomped, used overpowered weapons, cheap exploit tactics and spawned killed it to death. One corp of about 10 guys. How does that make you feel CPP? A market of a billion people, destroyed by a handful. Slow clap fellas.

After all this time, the server is dead as *****. All this is because CCP has completely failed to make a game for Playstation users. Instead they made a dudebros game for the Eve antisocial type who do anything to win "spying and sabotage is so meta crowd." And they pushed out the playstation FPS players. The keyboard is the first clue.

Why is PC messed up? That crowd.
Why are game numbers down? That crowd. "Can I have your stuff?"
Why didn't they fix AFK farming? That crowd.
Why exploiters aren't banned? That crowd.
Why no SP reset on game launch day? That crowd.

What do I think has gone wrong? Very simple.
They listened to that crowd.

The problems with PC are the same issues as pub stomping, flavour of the week weapons use and MCC AFK farming. A spoiled brat self entitled anti-social EVE player playerbase that CCP doesn't have the balls to smack down for fear of reprisals in EVE.

MCC AFK farmers should have been banned and or stripped of SP starting from day 1.
Proper matchmaking via gear restriction tiers implemented so K/D farmers had to fight for it.
On 5/14 and end of beta testing all SP should have been reset.
Anyone caught using exploits banned.

Why didn't this happen?

Because there wouldn't have been any o'time Eve players left. Hilarious, because instead you would have had your market of dudebros playing their FPS... you know... that MASSIVE market you were trying to break into. Whoops

I didn't read, cuz i didn't care.

1 guy boosted = people exploiting / cheating?

All this is because CCP has completely failed to make a game for Playstation users.
What is "a game for Playstation users?"

Instead they made a dudebros game for the Eve antisocial type who do anything to win "spying and sabotage is so meta crowd." And they pushed out the playstation FPS players. The keyboard is the first clue.
Do you mean the inclusion of KB/M support, or that the KB/M support ain't so great?

Why are game numbers down? That crowd. "Can I have your stuff?"
If "Can I have your stuff" and "HTFU" keeps makes people leave, I don't understand how all the racist, homophobic chatter in other shooters hasn't made them fold yet.

Why didn't they fix AFK farming? That crowd.
AFK farming is doable by anyone, and helps anyone who does it. I don't know how it could be attributed to "that crowd" only.

Why exploiters aren't banned? That crowd.
I don't think it's "that crowd" so much as CCP being slow to act. Exploits in EVE aren't really allowed, either, at least not in the boosting sense. Other things, like "doomcats," are seen as "clever use" and then CCP usually fixes the mechanics.

Why no SP reset on game launch day? That crowd.
When the beta went from closed to open, everyone was reset. However, when it went from open beta to ";aunch" (launchbeta, really, as it's still missing basic content), there was no reset because it was an open beta. Anyone could have joined, you didn't need special privileges, there were no restrictions. Joining on launch day and insisting that open beta sp be reset is akin to joining now and insisting everyone's sp be reset, because there was nothing game-side wise keeping you out. I even remember seeing ads for the open beta on the PSN.

... seriously?

That is ONE instance

why do you think you get no wp for repairing a blue vehicle on fire? Why do you think dropships don't get mrcu wp? why do you think we only get so many wp for repairing infantry?

because of one guy? right, right? must be

I was there when a corp started this. CCP fixed it. By you not getting WP's for repping

there's a cool down period.

Too many responses came in for me to reply to them all but since you disagree and ask a specific question.

First AFK farming is an exploit. SP = Skill, free skills for those who abuse a mechanic, it is cheating.
Shooting through MCC walls and shields, dropping R/Es into the hidden pocket on objectives. Shooting through known hollow walls and hills. All this stuff was happening during BETA. They were supposed to be logged and reported, instead the BETA crowd took full advantage. Multiple accounts for passive SP is also an issue, but standard procedure in EVE as I hear.

You defend AFKing for free ISK and SP. This alone most people consider an exploit. It was reported as an exploit, but instead of being fixed.......... became standard procedure for people the game simply does not need to succeed. We'd be better off without them.

CCP never said, nor the CPM, that AFK is an exploit. So your little explanation of why it is, is null and void.

It's a game mechanic. You get SP for time spent in game. I thought EVE is all about HTFU and "adapt or die"... seems people are adapting pretty well to a mechanic in game

lol you wanted people to get banned in Beta? Are you kidding me? That's what a beta is for! For testing and finding out these glitches.

CCP never said, nor the CPM, that AFK is an exploit. So your little explanation of why it is, is null and void.

It's a game mechanic. You get SP for time spent in game. I thought EVE is all about HTFU and "adapt or die"... seems people are adapting pretty well to a mechanic in game

lol you wanted people to get banned in Beta? Are you kidding me? That's what a beta is for! For testing and finding out these glitches.

I'm not sure how to respond to this, you missed the point entirely. I suspect your fear is CCP will sit up and take notice of just how accurate these complaints are.. and you're guilty as charged. I could be wrong.

Plus people spent money on boosters. If someone gets their SP reset, or banned for no reason, CCP has to refund them their money. And by no reason I mean, CCP has never said it's against the rules.

One small corp has proto stomped, used overpowered weapons, cheap exploit tactics and spawned killed it to death. One corp of about 10 guys. How does that make you feel CPP? A market of a billion people, destroyed by a handful. Slow clap fellas.

After all this time, the server is dead as *****. All this is because CCP has completely failed to make a game for Playstation users. Instead they made a dudebros game for the Eve antisocial type who do anything to win "spying and sabotage is so meta crowd." And they pushed out the playstation FPS players. The keyboard is the first clue.

Why is PC messed up? That crowd.
Why are game numbers down? That crowd. "Can I have your stuff?"
Why didn't they fix AFK farming? That crowd.
Why exploiters aren't banned? That crowd.
Why no SP reset on game launch day? That crowd.

What do I think has gone wrong? Very simple.
They listened to that crowd.

The problems with PC are the same issues as pub stomping, flavour of the week weapons use and MCC AFK farming. A spoiled brat self entitled anti-social EVE player playerbase that CCP doesn't have the balls to smack down for fear of reprisals in EVE.

MCC AFK farmers should have been banned and or stripped of SP starting from day 1.
Proper matchmaking via gear restriction tiers implemented so K/D farmers had to fight for it.
On 5/14 and end of beta testing all SP should have been reset.
Anyone caught using exploits banned.

Why didn't this happen?

Because there wouldn't have been any o'time Eve players left. Hilarious, because instead you would have had your market of dudebros playing their FPS... you know... that MASSIVE market you were trying to break into. Whoops

Dust desperately needs a tiericide similar to what EvE had. You can not have a shooter where all that matters is how much time you put in and expect it to do well.

All this is because CCP has completely failed to make a game for Playstation users. Instead they made a dudebros game for the Eve antisocial type who do anything to win "spying and sabotage is so meta crowd." And they pushed out the playstation FPS players.

that's what they said about eve. that's what they want you to believe. so you'll quit. and my sp becomes even more dominant.

(it only takes 9 or 11 million to max out a proper suit and gun. after that you only gain options. your core skills win fights, not your suit)

(also, i'm not certain you understand what 'tiericide' was in eve)

Why would you want to play a game which promised merc work,a connection with EVE, without enjoying all the meta and brutal evil that is New Eden?

I agree with op entirely. The evetards have pushed this game into what it was intended to be. A proto-pub-stomp-fest. So sub-par players can compete with fps from the playstation nation. Dedicated no lifers (eve players) who can proto stomp because they have the time to afk and cap on a weekly basis on multiple accounts. We psn players have played many many shooters, this is all evetards got, so they stick to their guns. Ps4 and planetside cant come any quicker for me.

More time envested the easier mode it becomes.

One small corp has proto stomped, used overpowered weapons, cheap exploit tactics and spawned killed it to death. One corp of about 10 guys. How does that make you feel CPP? A market of a billion people, destroyed by a handful. Slow clap fellas.

After all this time, the server is dead as *****. All this is because CCP has completely failed to make a game for Playstation users. Instead they made a dudebros game for the Eve antisocial type who do anything to win "spying and sabotage is so meta crowd." And they pushed out the playstation FPS players. The keyboard is the first clue.

Why is PC messed up? That crowd.
Why are game numbers down? That crowd. "Can I have your stuff?"
Why didn't they fix AFK farming? That crowd.
Why exploiters aren't banned? That crowd.
Why no SP reset on game launch day? That crowd.

What do I think has gone wrong? Very simple.
They listened to that crowd.

The problems with PC are the same issues as pub stomping, flavour of the week weapons use and MCC AFK farming. A spoiled brat self entitled anti-social EVE player playerbase that CCP doesn't have the balls to smack down for fear of reprisals in EVE.

MCC AFK farmers should have been banned and or stripped of SP starting from day 1.
Proper matchmaking via gear restriction tiers implemented so K/D farmers had to fight for it.
On 5/14 and end of beta testing all SP should have been reset.
Anyone caught using exploits banned.

Why didn't this happen?

Because there wouldn't have been any o'time Eve players left. Hilarious, because instead you would have had your market of dudebros playing their FPS... you know... that MASSIVE market you were trying to break into. Whoops

Who cares about asian servers? Or asia at all? I PALY IN AMERIKA

IF that clan is so good in asia, I wonder why they don't kick some ass over here?

The worst elements of FPS gamers here only want this to be some vehicle for their fantasy that they are real athletes. This causes them to do things like protostomp and stroke their egos while berating and belittling everyone who isn't "on their level" (read: plays the game for fun rather than to pretend that they are athletes). This is bad overall for the game.

Oh man, speaking of this... I've witnessed multiple occasions of people getting on their comms for the sole purpose of berating their own team mates. One guy even called out specific players over the comms for their performance with no consideration for the fact that they might have been completely new to the game. That to me is a prime example of the worst elements of FPS gamers and really bad for new player retention.

If OP is talking about Nyain San, they do. I was in an ambush against a squad of them once. I got one of the three kills against their entire side before we got cloned out by the 11 minutes mark.

why do you think you get no wp for repairing a blue vehicle on fire? Why do you think dropships don't get mrcu wp? why do you think we only get so many wp for repairing infantry?

You're so philosophical. please adorn me with more pearls of wisdom.

I go on the Asia servers to AFK late night/early morning, and the matches are always full.

Wow, yet another thread attacking EVE players for "ruining the game".

It's funny to realize how people on the outside think of us as this homogeneous mass that all thinks and wants the same things.

I mean, you do realize that some of the people that have been quite vocal about their displeasure with where the game has gone also play EVE, right? Playing EVE doesn't somehow make you incapable of understanding other games.

What a load of crap, I play on the asia server all the time and theres no one corp that completely dominates it, Nyain sain probably could but I only ever see nyain chan around in skirmish or dom.

Now if you were to say the same thing about oceanic i'd agree, its sad that the bloated blob known as southern legion recruits anyone with a pulse and would give players the impression that they completely dominate the server.

Don't be such a stickler on the generalization. The message that came from the EVE side has been clear.

HTFU.
Adapt or Die.
Can I have your stuff?
Welcome to New Eden.

Everyone that has ever had a reasonable gripe with the game has been bombarded with these. A computer based spaceship game and a console FPS have different playerbases. Don't get hung up on the exceptions. CCP knows it.

I've never cheated in a game, EVER. Not a matter of "principle", but i play to play. I don't boost.

I have AFK farmed though, and only cuz CCP has not said a word about it being a cheat or exploit. There's NO SP POOL so if you miss a week of SP, you don't have a chance of getting it back.

Since I don't really care anymore, and have enough SP for my class, I don't even AFK anymore. CCP can't ban people for something that's not against the rules...

Plus people spent money on boosters. If someone gets their SP reset, or banned for no reason, CCP has to refund them their money. And by no reason I mean, CCP has never said it's against the rules.

You can say it's exploiting if you want. Till I hear otherwise, you're wrong.

I guess the game having no new content for so long, or the fact that the game still feels like I'm wading through mud has nothing to do with people leaving?

AFK'ers have no effect on people leaving, in fact some people are still on DUST BECAUSE they can still AFK.

Matchmaking issues has been brought up since early Chromosome. CCP ignored the feedback or was busy taking vacations... so w/e at this point. Nullabor is working on a matchmaking system now, but it's kinda closing the barn door when the horse has already escaped.

How are people exploiting or cheating? You made no example.

SP reset? loooool... if that happened there would be FAR less people playing this game.

No I'm not a lolEVE player. I just wanna shoot people, and when that doesn't feel fun anymore, people will leave.

Have to say Beld, you sure know how to hold a grudge.

Because we didn't run the corp your way, and recruit only 'elite' players. We give newer players a chance... even give the more dedicated ones shots at PC. We're working long term, not short term. Look at all the so-called 'elite' corps that have fallen by the wayside... TSOLE is still here, and still growing because we're willing to give people a shot.

The last thing this game needs is more closed minded elitists seeking to build the 'dream team' and exclude the new players who may well be very good at higher levels, or with guidance.

Don't get me wrong, members of so-called elite corps are generally good blokes, but building a team on the premise that it's built to win, and only win, means that IF you start to lose, the team cohesion begins to break apart.

The Southern Legion is a DUST / EVE Community first.

I'm only sorry you didn't see that when you were a part of our ranks.

One small corp has proto stomped, used overpowered weapons, cheap exploit tactics and spawned killed it to death. One corp of about 10 guys. How does that make you feel CPP? A market of a billion people, destroyed by a handful. Slow clap fellas.

Yeah I think you've got far more in common with a cult than a community, one thing i've noticed despite a lot of TSOLE being good fellas, they treat everyone that has the gaul to leave the cult like lepers or traitors, you in particular like to put on this big show of being the reasonable speech giving dear leader, and yet I heard you completely flipped your lid when bloodoil left to join internal error.

I'd congratulate you on keeping TSOLE together this long, but I think your success has more to do with the lack of alternatives than actual good leadership.

One small corp has proto stomped, used overpowered weapons, cheap exploit tactics and spawned killed it to death. One corp of about 10 guys. How does that make you feel CPP? A market of a billion people, destroyed by a handful. Slow clap fellas.

After all this time, the server is dead as *****. All this is because CCP has completely failed to make a game for Playstation users. Instead they made a dudebros game for the Eve antisocial type who do anything to win "spying and sabotage is so meta crowd." And they pushed out the playstation FPS players. The keyboard is the first clue.

Why is PC messed up? That crowd.
Why are game numbers down? That crowd. "Can I have your stuff?"
Why didn't they fix AFK farming? That crowd.
Why exploiters aren't banned? That crowd.
Why no SP reset on game launch day? That crowd.

What do I think has gone wrong? Very simple.
They listened to that crowd.

The problems with PC are the same issues as pub stomping, flavour of the week weapons use and MCC AFK farming. A spoiled brat self entitled anti-social EVE player playerbase that CCP doesn't have the balls to smack down for fear of reprisals in EVE.

MCC AFK farmers should have been banned and or stripped of SP starting from day 1.
Proper matchmaking via gear restriction tiers implemented so K/D farmers had to fight for it.
On 5/14 and end of beta testing all SP should have been reset.
Anyone caught using exploits banned.

Why didn't this happen?

Because there wouldn't have been any o'time Eve players left. Hilarious, because instead you would have had your market of dudebros playing their FPS... you know... that MASSIVE market you were trying to break into. Whoops

Some people AFK in the MCC because they really haven't got a choice due to the other team being pubstomped in battles (Mostly public) making the game seem unfair, but hopefully this changes with the upcoming changes to CalLogi and Flaylock.

But I agree CCP needs to change this game to attract the players back.

Yeah I think you've got far more in common with a cult than a community, one thing i've noticed despite a lot of TSOLE being good fellas, they treat everyone that has the gaul to leave the cult like lepers or traitors, you in particular like to put on this big show of being the reasonable speech giving dear leader, and yet I heard you completely flipped your lid when bloodoil left to join internal error.

I'd congratulate you on keeping TSOLE together this long, but I think your success has more to do with the lack of alternatives than actual good leadership.

One small corp has proto stomped, used overpowered weapons, cheap exploit tactics and spawned killed it to death. One corp of about 10 guys. How does that make you feel CPP? A market of a billion people, destroyed by a handful. Slow clap fellas.

After all this time, the server is dead as *****. All this is because CCP has completely failed to make a game for Playstation users. Instead they made a dudebros game for the Eve antisocial type who do anything to win "spying and sabotage is so meta crowd." And they pushed out the playstation FPS players. The keyboard is the first clue.

Why is PC messed up? That crowd.
Why are game numbers down? That crowd. "Can I have your stuff?"
Why didn't they fix AFK farming? That crowd.
Why exploiters aren't banned? That crowd.
Why no SP reset on game launch day? That crowd.

What do I think has gone wrong? Very simple.
They listened to that crowd.

The problems with PC are the same issues as pub stomping, flavour of the week weapons use and MCC AFK farming. A spoiled brat self entitled anti-social EVE player playerbase that CCP doesn't have the balls to smack down for fear of reprisals in EVE.

MCC AFK farmers should have been banned and or stripped of SP starting from day 1.
Proper matchmaking via gear restriction tiers implemented so K/D farmers had to fight for it.
On 5/14 and end of beta testing all SP should have been reset.
Anyone caught using exploits banned.

Why didn't this happen?

Because there wouldn't have been any o'time Eve players left. Hilarious, because instead you would have had your market of dudebros playing their FPS... you know... that MASSIVE market you were trying to break into. Whoops

I agree with op entirely. The evetards have pushed this game into what it was intended to be. A proto-pub-stomp-fest. So sub-par players can compete with fps from the playstation nation. Dedicated no lifers (eve players) who can proto stomp because they have the time to afk and cap on a weekly basis on multiple accounts. We psn players have played many many shooters, this is all evetards got, so they stick to their guns. Ps4 and planetside cant come any quicker for me.

More time envested the easier mode it becomes.

Meh broke game is broke game.
I demand a respec!

One small corp has proto stomped, used overpowered weapons, cheap exploit tactics and spawned killed it to death. One corp of about 10 guys. How does that make you feel CPP? A market of a billion people, destroyed by a handful. Slow clap fellas.

After all this time, the server is dead as *****. All this is because CCP has completely failed to make a game for Playstation users. Instead they made a dudebros game for the Eve antisocial type who do anything to win "spying and sabotage is so meta crowd." And they pushed out the playstation FPS players. The keyboard is the first clue.

Why is PC messed up? That crowd.
Why are game numbers down? That crowd. "Can I have your stuff?"
Why didn't they fix AFK farming? That crowd.
Why exploiters aren't banned? That crowd.
Why no SP reset on game launch day? That crowd.

What do I think has gone wrong? Very simple.
They listened to that crowd.

The problems with PC are the same issues as pub stomping, flavour of the week weapons use and MCC AFK farming. A spoiled brat self entitled anti-social EVE player playerbase that CCP doesn't have the balls to smack down for fear of reprisals in EVE.

MCC AFK farmers should have been banned and or stripped of SP starting from day 1.
Proper matchmaking via gear restriction tiers implemented so K/D farmers had to fight for it.
On 5/14 and end of beta testing all SP should have been reset.
Anyone caught using exploits banned.

Why didn't this happen?

Because there wouldn't have been any o'time Eve players left. Hilarious, because instead you would have had your market of dudebros playing their FPS... you know... that MASSIVE market you were trying to break into. Whoops

I have to disagree with you here Lance. While it's true that some peeps are still in the game because they can AFK, it's also true that AFK teammates are a contributing factor to poor new player experience.

I don't blame the AFKers though, i blame CCP's pathologically destructive passive in-match skillpoint mechanic. Nothing will improve until it is gone and replaced with something that rewards only effort on the battlefield.

Seems I've hit a nerve. The best responses so far have been the intellectual hopefuls with all the name calling that clearly sink to my super low level. What, you don't like sweeping generalizations even though they smack a point right on target? There is a solid point in my ranting like it or not. Too close to home? Hahaha. I bet what annoys you most is the 17 likes so far from people who have been paying attention and have seen the trends progress into the current shitshow we see today. Carry on.

They afk for the active SP not the passive. Active SP is the problem because it isn't active if we get it for showing up and doing nothing. Passive SP is not the problem, if passive sp is what they want then all they have to do is not log on. They want free active SP from being in battle.

Haha, **** poor damage control there sonny. Nice way to refute all the counter arguments and backtrack on your butthurt.

Next you'll be telling us how your OP was a 'troll'

One small corp has proto stomped, used overpowered weapons, cheap exploit tactics and spawned killed it to death. One corp of about 10 guys. How does that make you feel CPP? A market of a billion people, destroyed by a handful. Slow clap fellas.

I am in asia, and play the asian server everyday. The server isn't dead, it is alive and well. You should have seen how it was last august, when were about 10 guys that played on the entire server.

One small corp killed it ? which one, there is more than one active organized corp on the asian server. There is cafe speed plains, nobilesse oblige, s.a.l.u.k.i, swarm of sushi, and few australian corps that prefer asian server because oceania server's player count is very low.

Some people AFK in the MCC because they really haven't got a choice due to the other team being pubstomped in battles (Mostly public) making the game seem unfair, but hopefully this changes with the upcoming changes to CalLogi and Flaylock.

But I agree CCP needs to change this game to attract the players back.

I am in asia, and play the asian server everyday. The server isn't dead, it is alive and well. You should have seen how it was last august, when were about 10 guys that played on the entire server.

One small corp killed it ? which one, there is more than one active organized corp on the asian server. There is cafe speed plains, nobilesse oblige, s.a.l.u.k.i, swarm of sushi, and few australian corps that prefer asian server because oceania server's player count is very low.

You're a terror with that forge gun it always disappoints me seeing you on the other team, cause i know I won't get to fly my incubus around.

Don't lump all EVE players into one group.

I don't care if this game takes resources from EVE, EVE has grown stale for so many of us. Many people are just farming with multiple accounts or are on standby while playing another game. This games success has the potential of making EVE more appealing to more people, and making interacting in New Eden a much broader experience. I come from EVE, though for months I was playing this game a lot more. I still throw my cash at this game to buy pointless BPOs because I so badly want this game to succeed and I'll pay for it to happen.

Being someone who bought a PS3 just to play this game, I'm not ready to watch it fall, New Eden needs this more than it realizes.

The real players are quitting while some skate in circles. I have two last ditch efforts. One is this rude as hell OP forum post, the other a game mode suggestion that I'd play that would be very difficult for people to ruin.