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SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:26:00 -
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Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
705
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:31:00 -
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Yup
Been this way for like ever |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:32:00 -
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SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners first you suck at trolling...second the swarm is a lock on weapon.....its supposed to do that. talent....i didnt know that hitting some buttons was considered talent.....i dont care what playstyle you use....in the end its just a game...and playing a game is not talent....go back to your stupid bf3 or cod....in this game anything goes...that includes mopping up the competition with lock on weaponry....and coming soon*tm* guided bombs smart weapons and all that other good stuff that belongs in a game about war.also the swarm cant hurt infantry....everything you just cried about is invalid. |
SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:33:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners first you suck at trolling...second the swarm is a lock on weapon.....its supposed to do that. talent....i didnt know that hitting some buttons was considered talent.....i dont care what playstyle you use....in the end its just a game...and playing a game is not talent....go back to your stupid bf3 or cod....in this game anything goes...that includes mopping up the competition with lock on weaponry....and coming soon*tm* guided bombs smart weapons and all that other good stuff that belongs in a game about war.also the swarm cant hurt infantry....everything you just cried about is invalid.
And you suck at playing |
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:33:00 -
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SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners i knew the best tanker would finally realize this.
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Horizon Limit
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
30
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:33:00 -
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SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners what's new |
SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
480
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:33:00 -
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I know this is a game about clones but there seems to be a lot of me walking around. |
Beren Hurin
K-A-O-S theory
767
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:34:00 -
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HAVs are easy mode....
...Because they can see over objects from the vantage point of a camera 10 m above the tank itself giving them unparalleled situational awareness. And because even though I can hear the tank, somehow my radar cannot see them until they suprise blaster kill me. And, they have infinite ammo. Ofc I could buy some fancy headphones to play the game, but I'd rather not just yet.
Make all tanks first person view, limit their ammunition, and make them detectable from 50m, and then we can talk.
To shoot at a tank with swarm launchers you must have line of sight on most of the tank. So for a blaster tank, this means you can get a chance to shoot at the swarm launcher.
I think the smart dropship pilots know how do think 3 dimensionally. The better HAV drivers I can tell, because they know how to cover their retreat with vertical barriers. I'm not a HAV pilot, but I think this is why the high-ground is that much more important for them, because if the SL rockets are coming from below them, backing jup just a bit will mean the missiles hit the ground right in front of them. |
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:37:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:HAVs are easy mode....
...Because they can see over objects from the vantage point of a camera 10 m above the tank itself giving them unparalleled situational awareness. And because even though I can hear the tank, somehow my radar cannot see them until they suprise blaster kill me. And, they have infinite ammo. Ofc I could buy some fancy headphones to play the game, but I'd rather not just yet.
Make all tanks first person view, limit their ammunition, and make them detectable from 50m, and then we can talk.
To shoot at a tank with swarm launchers you must have line of sight on most of the tank. So for a blaster tank, this means you can get a chance to shoot at the swarm launcher.
I think the smart dropship pilots know how do think 3 dimensionally. The better HAV drivers I can tell, because they know how to cover their retreat with vertical barriers. I'm not a HAV pilot, but I think this is why the high-ground is that much more important for them, because if the SL rockets are coming from below them, backing jup just a bit will mean the missiles hit the ground right in front of them. i have to somehow not run to any av for tht to happen which is highly unlikely.
And if i run into AV i have to run for my life and turn on 5 modules hoping not to run into everything on the way.
And get out of range of the tank swarms have a range of 400m, a blaster has a range of 150-200 Max. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
349
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:39:00 -
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SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners
right nothing like that exists in real life..... or wait.... it does sorry it sure does
and missles kinda work that way in eve too.....not just the swarms in dust |
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Cosgar
ParagonX
2953
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:40:00 -
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AV grenades are more easy mode. Swarms at least require the user to give up their light weapon slot. |
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:40:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners right nothing like that exists in real life..... or wait.... it does sorry it sure does and missles kinda work that way in eve too.....not just the swarms in dust tell me how 5 clips fit into tht one swarm launcher then. i'd love to know. thts 30 missiles in tht little thing. |
Beren Hurin
K-A-O-S theory
768
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:44:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners right nothing like that exists in real life..... or wait.... it does sorry it sure does and missles kinda work that way in eve too.....not just the swarms in dust
Well technically you don't really have to aim anything in Eve. It all locks on... |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
349
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:44:00 -
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners right nothing like that exists in real life..... or wait.... it does sorry it sure does and missles kinda work that way in eve too.....not just the swarms in dust tell me how 5 clips fit into tht one swarm launcher then. i'd love to know. thts 30 missiles in tht little thing.
magic pixel dust.... see what I did there? |
SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:45:00 -
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SoTa of PoP wrote:I know this is a game about clones but there seems to be a lot of me walking around.
You should join my corp |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3360
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:46:00 -
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners right nothing like that exists in real life..... or wait.... it does sorry it sure does and missles kinda work that way in eve too.....not just the swarms in dust tell me how 5 clips fit into tht one swarm launcher then. i'd love to know. thts 30 missiles in tht little thing. http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37183581.jpg |
Castrated Tanker
lnternal Error.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:50:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:HAVs are easy mode....
...Because they can see over objects from the vantage point of a camera 10 m above the tank itself giving them unparalleled situational awareness. And because even though I can hear the tank, somehow my radar cannot see them until they suprise blaster kill me. And, they have infinite ammo. Ofc I could buy some fancy headphones to play the game, but I'd rather not just yet.
Make all tanks first person view, limit their ammunition, and make them detectable from 50m, and then we can talk.
To shoot at a tank with swarm launchers you must have line of sight on most of the tank. So for a blaster tank, this means you can get a chance to shoot at the swarm launcher.
I think the smart dropship pilots know how do think 3 dimensionally. The better HAV drivers I can tell, because they know how to cover their retreat with vertical barriers. I'm not a HAV pilot, but I think this is why the high-ground is that much more important for them, because if the SL rockets are coming from below them, backing jup just a bit will mean the missiles hit the ground right in front of them.
How about a "get good noob" for the lack of constructive criticism in your post, It is obvious that you know nothing about the vehicles in this game |
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:52:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners right nothing like that exists in real life..... or wait.... it does sorry it sure does and missles kinda work that way in eve too.....not just the swarms in dust tell me how 5 clips fit into tht one swarm launcher then. i'd love to know. thts 30 missiles in tht little thing. http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37183581.jpg then why can only one shot fit into a plasma launcher clip. GG bro |
Beren Hurin
K-A-O-S theory
769
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:53:00 -
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I still think this is generally about the general selfishness of solo players and of agnosteamism (playing as if you don't have a team). I don't understand when I queue up solo and then join a squad, corps will say, "oh look a blueberry joined" and then kick me. As if I can do more harm than good....I mean if there are 3 of you, wouldn't I be getting the squad warpoints at the very least...anwyway...
In the same way that too many snipers screw a teams' infantry and its ability to take ground and hold it, having players that don't care about the investment of a tank driver, and don't try to take out AV that is targetting it, makes the tank driver's investment into the match less worth while.
I would be in favor of players getting a kind of temporary 'MAYDAY' call or indicator that any player under fire could set on themselves, that could then provide a defense order type of signal. Squads/teams could then defend that player for extra points providing an incentive to help the team.
There is just too little incentive for inter-squad cooperation, especially in pub-matches. I do not envy you tank drivers. |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
687
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:54:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners first you suck at trolling...second the swarm is a lock on weapon.....its supposed to do that. talent....i didnt know that hitting some buttons was considered talent.....i dont care what playstyle you use....in the end its just a game...and playing a game is not talent....go back to your stupid bf3 or cod....in this game anything goes...that includes mopping up the competition with lock on weaponry....and coming soon*tm* guided bombs smart weapons and all that other good stuff that belongs in a game about war.also the swarm cant hurt infantry....everything you just cried about is invalid. How can you say he sucks at trolling and then go on to give him just the type of post he was trolling for? Were you taking pity on the troll, or did he actually get you worked up?
As for the Original Post, unskilled Swarm Launcher users die quickly and die often. For more information see my guide: Unleashing the Swarm, a guide to being effective with the Swarm Launcher |
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SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:00:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:I still think this is generally about the general selfishness of solo players and of agnosteamism (playing as if you don't have a team). I don't understand when I queue up solo and then join a squad, corps will say, "oh look a blueberry joined" and then kick me. As if I can do more harm than good....I mean if there are 3 of you, wouldn't I be getting the squad warpoints at the very least...anwyway...
In the same way that too many snipers screw a teams' infantry and its ability to take ground and hold it, having players that don't care about the investment of a tank driver, and don't try to take out AV that is targetting it, makes the tank driver's investment into the match less worth while.
I would be in favor of players getting a kind of temporary 'MAYDAY' call or indicator that any player under fire could set on themselves, that could then provide a defense order type of signal. Squads/teams could then defend that player for extra points providing an incentive to help the team.
There is just too little incentive for inter-squad cooperation, especially in pub-matches. I do not envy you tank drivers.
You should have said more bad things about swarm launchers in this post, the purpose of this thread is to discuss how easy and noob friendly the swarms are. |
Beren Hurin
K-A-O-S theory
769
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:04:00 -
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Castrated Tanker wrote:How about a "get good noob" for the lack of constructive criticism in your post, It is obvious that you know nothing about the vehicles in this game
"Nothing" is a pretty strong term... So they can't see over objects? It just isn't cool that they can see me, when I can't see them on my radar or visually? How is that not a constructively fair criticism. You don't think telling HAV drivers to think 3 dimensionally is constructive for them? I see too many driving in a straight line (which by the way exposes your weak spot to swarms) away. Diving behind cover also means that the LOS of swarms is broken meaning a follow up shot cannot happen.
I know enough about vehicles to know that when a driver brings their HAV into the very middle of a map and sits it there, that is staistically the exact worst place to have it for no other reason than that is the place where the most potential players could attack it from. In the same way that dropsuit players strafe side to side, HAVS should not think of themselves like turrets with a little bit of mobility they have to move.
Whenever I see a HAV just stop in front of B (the middle of the map) on Manus Peak I cringe for them.
Also, we are eventually getting trees and ofther vertical vegetation. I wouldn't be suprised if that effectively becomes a nerf to swarms that you guys are looking for. I would be anxious to know what kind of collision damage they will do to HAVs though also and how they will affect your mobility. |
Beren Hurin
K-A-O-S theory
769
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:15:00 -
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SoTa p0p wrote: You should have said more bad things about swarm launchers in this post, the purpose of this thread is to discuss how easy and noob friendly the swarms are.
Let's get precise then, it isn't lock on release trigger... It's... 1) Get in situation w/o HAV having infantry protection or watch to see when resist/repair mods are spent (HAVs shouldn't be in the open when these are down). 2) Find armor tanking HAV (my Wyrikomi takes 4-5 rounds at least to get through Gunlogi shields) 3) Get out of cover long enough to fix, maintain lock, and release. 4) You've hit your target, but now the trail of your missiles have revealed your location if anyone is paying attention. 5) If you are lucky you do step 3, 3 more times without interference and you might have taken out the MLT tank you are shooting at. |
RedRebelCork
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
174
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:18:00 -
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They are OP, they certainly need some work all round in terms of skill:power ratio and overall usability.
Couple of suggestions here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1060225#post1060225 |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
706
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:21:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:SoTa p0p wrote: You should have said more bad things about swarm launchers in this post, the purpose of this thread is to discuss how easy and noob friendly the swarms are.
Let's get precise then, it isn't lock on release trigger... It's... 1) Get in situation w/o HAV having infantry protection or watch to see when resist/repair mods are spent (HAVs shouldn't be in the open when these are down). 2) Find armor tanking HAV (my Wyrikomi takes 4-5 rounds at least to get through Gunlogi shields) 3) Get out of cover long enough to fix, maintain lock, and release. 4) You've hit your target, but now the trail of your missiles have revealed your location if anyone is paying attention. 5) If you are lucky you do step 3, 3 more times without interference and you might have taken out the MLT tank you are shooting at.
lol worthy
1. Just get anywhere in general 2. Look for the big thing 3. Long enough lol - 2secs isnt long, hell you can lock on by just peaking over and you can barely get shot at 4. What trails? they are invisible half of the time lol and you have already gone back to your hiding place or let off another volley 5. Mlt lol |
French Fancy
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
23
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:21:00 -
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I was going to reply with a smart post but tbh, it's getting too repettive answering all these dumb people, so go ahead, cry more. |
Castrated Tanker
lnternal Error.
0
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:22:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:SoTa p0p wrote: You should have said more bad things about swarm launchers in this post, the purpose of this thread is to discuss how easy and noob friendly the swarms are.
Let's get precise then, it isn't lock on release trigger... It's... 1) Get in situation w/o HAV having infantry protection or watch to see when resist/repair mods are spent (HAVs shouldn't be in the open when these are down). 2) Find armor tanking HAV (my Wyrikomi takes 4-5 rounds at least to get through Gunlogi shields) 3) Get out of cover long enough to fix, maintain lock, and release. 4) You've hit your target, but now the trail of your missiles have revealed your location if anyone is paying attention. 5) If you are lucky you do step 3, 3 more times without interference and you might have taken out the MLT tank you are shooting at.
Trail of missiles revealing your location? 80% of swarms that hit me are invisible?!?! HTF is that supposed to reveal SH!T?? |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2451
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:30:00 -
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While it is relatively easy to use, it doesn't get all the credit it deserves.
The lock-on time means you have to be careful when you try to shoot, so you don't die.
You also have to be able to predict the swarm's path and the vehicle's movement, then compensate for it.
Lastly, the angle you fire at is also important. Once I locked on an HAV through a small gap- I knew the swarms would all hit the wall if I fired normally. Instead, I fired roughly parallel to the wall- with that angle, the swarms flew out past the wall, and curved back to the other side and hit the HAV when the homing kicked in. |
Beren Hurin
K-A-O-S theory
771
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:37:00 -
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Castrated Tanker wrote:Trail of missiles revealing your location? 80% of swarms that hit me are invisible?!?! HTF is that supposed to reveal SH!T??
Interesting...when I fire my swarms they nearly always leave a trail of smoke... Are they invisible before or after they hit you?
I'm okay with the AV/TANK balance. Like I said, I think the problem is squads/teams not caring about protecting their HAVs.
On to constructive...
HAV drivers have a learning curve problem in that, in order to learn from their mistakes (deaths) at the same rate as dropsuits, they have to pay a whole lot more. What if there was a kind of trade-off in order to compensate for this problem? Another thing we could propose in terms of balance, is 'insurance' for vehicles. This would enable the allowance of training and learning the weaknesses of your fit without all the costs of so much failure.
Only in instant battles, the trade off would be reduced SP gain for the match, in exchange for some insurance options for all vehicles lost. You'd have to buy the insurance before the match starts.
-25% (pre-booster) active SP gain during match for 50% back on all [vehicles] lost. -50% active SP gain during match for 80% back on all [vehicles] lost. -75% active SP gain during match for 80% back on all [vehicles] lost and 25% back on all [modules] lost. -100% active SP gain during match for 80% back on all [vehicles] lost and 25% back on all [modules/turrets] lost. |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
307
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:39:00 -
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SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners
I thought LAV's are. Swarms are old untrained pitbulls (Everyone sort of got used to them)... Logi LaVs however make them look like angels lol |
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SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:45:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:While it is relatively easy to use, it doesn't get all the credit it deserves.
The lock-on time means you have to be careful when you try to shoot, so you don't die.
You also have to be able to predict the swarm's path and the vehicle's movement, then compensate for it.
Lastly, the angle you fire at is also important. Once I locked on an HAV through a small gap- I knew the swarms would all hit the wall if I fired normally. Instead, I fired roughly parallel to the wall- with that angle, the swarms flew out past the wall, and curved back to the other side and hit the HAV when the homing kicked in.
Answer: False, none of what you speak of is the truth. Point, lock, shoot = easy mode |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2452
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:45:00 -
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As far as invisible swarms, I don't know what tankers are talking about. I always see swarms before they hit me, unless they're coming from behind me or something, in which case I hear them anyway. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2452
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:45:00 -
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SoTa p0p wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:While it is relatively easy to use, it doesn't get all the credit it deserves.
The lock-on time means you have to be careful when you try to shoot, so you don't die.
You also have to be able to predict the swarm's path and the vehicle's movement, then compensate for it.
Lastly, the angle you fire at is also important. Once I locked on an HAV through a small gap- I knew the swarms would all hit the wall if I fired normally. Instead, I fired roughly parallel to the wall- with that angle, the swarms flew out past the wall, and curved back to the other side and hit the HAV when the homing kicked in. Answer: False, none of what you speak of is the truth. Point, lock, shoot = easy mode If you just point-lock-shoot, all your missiles are going to hit walls and boxes unless the tanker is stupid enough to drive where no cover is in sight. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
918
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:46:00 -
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Anything Caldari in the game (with exception to tanks) is easy mode.
Snipers Swarms The LAVs that are far better than the armor variants. Dropships. Sniper Rifles The Suits The Women |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3449
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:46:00 -
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This game is hit scan galore. Saying that using any hit scan weapon takes skill, aside from the nova knives, is like saying point and shoot is hard |
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
309
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:48:00 -
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SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners Take off the lock on yeahhh buddy |
Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy
228
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:48:00 -
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SoTa is easy mode
Create fake account, troll, wait for victims = easy mode |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2635
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:49:00 -
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SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners Swarms have always been easy mode.
2.5k damage from a seeker weapon? Yeah, ok.
Swap the damage between Swarms and the Plasma Cannon, then give Swarms a major speed boost.
That way the Plasma Cannon is an actual threat, and Swarms excel at hitting fast moving targets without being faceroll.
Oh, and give the Plasma Cannon better range and less arc so it can actually be used. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
499
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:50:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:
Let's get precise then, it isn't lock on release trigger... It's... 1) Get in situation w/o HAV having infantry protection or watch to see when resist/repair mods are spent (HAVs shouldn't be in the open when these are down). 2) Find armor tanking HAV (my Wyrikomi takes 4-5 rounds at least to get through Gunlogi shields) 3) Get out of cover long enough to fix, maintain lock, and release. 4) You've hit your target, but now the trail of your missiles have revealed your location if anyone is paying attention. 5) If you are lucky you do step 3, 3 more times without interference and you might have taken out the MLT tank you are shooting at.
Thanks for making your role sound so much more difficult.
Let me shorten that list for you.
1. Call in LLAV. 2. Pick up another swarm launcher buddy with AV grenades. 3. Rush HAV. 4. Both throw your AV grenades and each release one volley of swarms. 5. Every tank in the game is now dead.
Also, if you need to three shot a Soma with proto Swarms, you are either lying to make it sound worse for AV or all of your missiles are not getting through. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2453
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:51:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Anything Caldari in the game (with exception to tanks) is easy mode.
Snipers Swarms The LAVs that are far better than the armor variants. Dropships. Sniper Rifles The Suits The Women Dropships? |
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SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
2
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:52:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:SoTa is easy mode
Create fake account, troll, wait for victims = easy mode
I like to think of it as a "new" game mode, I'm tired of the 4, (actually 2) game modes we currently have |
Beren Hurin
K-A-O-S theory
772
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:52:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners Swarms have always been easy mode. 2.5k damage from a seeker weapon? Yeah, ok. Swap the damage between Swarms and the Plasma Cannon, then give Swarms a major speed boost. That way the Plasma Cannon is an actual threat, and Swarms excel at hitting fast moving targets without being faceroll. Oh, and give the Plasma Cannon better range and less arc so it can actually be used.
Are you suggesting making the plasma cannon the old dumbfire swarm launcher but with the single charge? |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
918
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:53:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners Swarms have always been easy mode. 2.5k damage from a seeker weapon? Yeah, ok. Swap the damage between Swarms and the Plasma Cannon, then give Swarms a major speed boost. That way the Plasma Cannon is an actual threat, and Swarms excel at hitting fast moving targets without being faceroll. Oh, and give the Plasma Cannon better range and less arc so it can actually be used. I've always thought that the plasma cannon would be more like a rocket launcher in this game before it came out.
I'd still love to see a rocket launcher in this game Fix plasma cannon. |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
689
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Posted - 2013.07.22 14:35:00 -
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To give this thread its proper due:
1) Armour tanks are underpowered. They need damage type specific hardeners to counteract their susceptibility to explosive damage.
2) CCP needs to implement a warning alarm when someone is trying to lock your vehicle, a second alarm for a full lock, and a third alarm for incoming missiles. This would allow skilled tank operators to use cover to break locks, or block incoming missiles. Active countermeasures such as flairs might be a nice touch as well.
3) If you are running with a Blaster tank you really should be squadding up with a good sniper. Next to other snipers, Swarm Launcher users are the second most juicy target for a sniper.
4) Swarms are very obvious visually. If they go invisible then that is a bug.
Swarm Launchers are actually fairly well balances as far as I can tell. The problem is that Armour tanks are too susceptible to explosive damage with no way to counter this. If you nerfed Swarm Launchers as much as Armour Tankers would like they would be completely useless against shield tanks. The answer is to buff Armour Tanks.
As fare as Easy mode goes, I have found that killing Infantry with a Blaster Turret is just as easy as locking a HAV with a Swarm Launcher. With both Swarm Launchers and Tanks, it is not the killing that requires the skill, it is the staying alive part that requires skill. If there were no AV weapons would the HAV not be completely easy mode? Yet you base your judgment of the Swarm Launcher on ideal conditions, as if your team has no Infantry or Snipers for the Swarm Launcher operator to worry about. Is this not a double standard?
Finally, if you are completely fed up with Swarm Launchers, switch to driving a Logi LAV. I have not seen a Swarm Launcher take out a Logi LAV since the global vehicle hit point buff a few days after Uprising. |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
689
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Posted - 2013.07.22 14:43:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Anything Caldari in the game (with exception to tanks) is easy mode.
Snipers Swarms The LAVs that are far better than the armor variants. Dropships. Sniper Rifles The Suits The Women Dropships? Yeah, I had the same reaction. LOL |
D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
14
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Posted - 2013.07.22 15:24:00 -
[46] - Quote
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners right nothing like that exists in real life..... or wait.... it does sorry it sure does and missles kinda work that way in eve too.....not just the swarms in dust tell me how 5 clips fit into tht one swarm launcher then. i'd love to know. thts 30 missiles in tht little thing.
It's the future bro. Rockets are smaller and more powerful. Duh.... |
D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
14
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Posted - 2013.07.22 15:28:00 -
[47] - Quote
Fox Gaden wrote:To give this thread its proper due:
1) Armour tanks are underpowered. They need damage type specific hardeners to counteract their susceptibility to explosive damage.
2) CCP needs to implement a warning alarm when someone is trying to lock your vehicle, a second alarm for a full lock, and a third alarm for incoming missiles. This would allow skilled tank operators to use cover to break locks, or block incoming missiles. Active countermeasures such as flairs might be a nice touch as well.
3) If you are running with a Blaster tank you really should be squadding up with a good sniper. Next to other snipers, Swarm Launcher users are the second most juicy target for a sniper.
4) Swarms are very obvious visually. If they go invisible then that is a bug.
Swarm Launchers are actually fairly well balances as far as I can tell. The problem is that Armour tanks are too susceptible to explosive damage with no way to counter this. If you nerfed Swarm Launchers as much as Armour Tankers would like they would be completely useless against shield tanks. The answer is to buff Armour Tanks.
As fare as Easy mode goes, I have found that killing Infantry with a Blaster Turret is just as easy as locking a HAV with a Swarm Launcher. With both Swarm Launchers and Tanks, it is not the killing that requires the skill, it is the staying alive part that requires skill. If there were no AV weapons would the HAV not be completely easy mode? Yet you base your judgment of the Swarm Launcher on ideal conditions, as if your team has no Infantry or Snipers for the Swarm Launcher operator to worry about. Is this not a double standard?
Finally, if you are completely fed up with Swarm Launchers, switch to driving a Logi LAV. I have not seen a Swarm Launcher take out a Logi LAV since the global vehicle hit point buff a few days after Uprising.
On your final point, Proto swarm launcher with damage mods a one shot kill for all LAV's 98% of the time.
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
244
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Posted - 2013.07.22 15:42:00 -
[48] - Quote
SoTa p0p wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners first you suck at trolling...second the swarm is a lock on weapon.....its supposed to do that. talent....i didnt know that hitting some buttons was considered talent.....i dont care what playstyle you use....in the end its just a game...and playing a game is not talent....go back to your stupid bf3 or cod....in this game anything goes...that includes mopping up the competition with lock on weaponry....and coming soon*tm* guided bombs smart weapons and all that other good stuff that belongs in a game about war.also the swarm cant hurt infantry....everything you just cried about is invalid. And you suck at playing there is no right way to play you jerk.....to hell with how you want to play...the devs made the swarm launcher and im going to use it....you try hard trash players have no business beating on people who dont wanna play your trash way....this isnt a stupid sports game...it isnt a trash competitive game....it is a game about war......to win a war you need use everything...... EVERYTHING.....also your a troll to...you and the people who gave you thumbs up....i suck for using whats in the game?.....no its the other way around....YOU SUCK......unlike you i play the game in many ways because it was made to be played however you want....stupid trash like you comes around and says.....OMG YU NUB YOUR USING A GUN THAT LOCK ON TU VEHICLES YOU GOTS NO SKILLZ......really in a game about beating the other team to a pulp your pulling that cheap stunt? theres a reason war is not a sport.....and i suck at playing? let me tell you something......i could probably beat you....do you know why? its not because ive got twitch reflexes or skill or all that other crap....it because i do whatever it takes to gain the upper hand on my enemy....you sir suck at having fun....you want to limit yourself and think your good because of it thats fine....dont get mad when people like me come around and smash your stupid tryhard face into some glass....you may have your perfect aim or whatever..but i have tactics and cunning...after all when it comes to war being a good shot means nothing if you dont allow yourself to fight at your full potential.....for a guy like me that means pulling out the swarms and smashing any one foolish enough to pull a vehicle out recklessly on to the battlefield...your saying people who play a war game the way it was always meant to be played suck? only an ignorant sports player with an ego the size of the sun would say that...go back to your damn competitive sports and leave my war game alone.... |
Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9 RISE of LEGION
6
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Posted - 2013.07.22 15:49:00 -
[49] - Quote
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners right nothing like that exists in real life..... or wait.... it does sorry it sure does and missles kinda work that way in eve too.....not just the swarms in dust tell me how 5 clips fit into tht one swarm launcher then. i'd love to know. thts 30 missiles in tht little thing.
Micro missiles? That would be my guess. One thing that confuses me about the swarm is when i get a lock and release the trigger i hear the swarms fire then die but no missiles come out i found that amusing also when cooking a nade in your hand then dying its like the nade never existed at all. |
Ninjanomyx
One Who Bears Fangs At GOD
112
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:21:00 -
[50] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners first you suck at trolling...second the swarm is a lock on weapon.....its supposed to do that. talent....i didnt know that hitting some buttons was considered talent.....i dont care what playstyle you use....in the end its just a game...and playing a game is not talent....go back to your stupid bf3 or cod....in this game anything goes...that includes mopping up the competition with lock on weaponry....and coming soon*tm* guided bombs smart weapons and all that other good stuff that belongs in a game about war.also the swarm cant hurt infantry....everything you just cried about is invalid. And you suck at playing there is no right way to play you jerk.....to hell with how you want to play...the devs made the swarm launcher and im going to use it....you try hard trash players have no business beating on people who dont wanna play your trash way....this isnt a stupid sports game...it isnt a trash competitive game....it is a game about war......to win a war you need use everything...... EVERYTHING.....also your a troll to...you and the people who gave you thumbs up....i suck for using whats in the game?.....no its the other way around....YOU SUCK......unlike you i play the game in many ways because it was made to be played however you want....stupid trash like you comes around and says.....OMG YU NUB YOUR USING A GUN THAT LOCK ON TU VEHICLES YOU GOTS NO SKILLZ......really in a game about beating the other team to a pulp your pulling that cheap stunt? theres a reason war is not a sport.....and i suck at playing? let me tell you something......i could probably beat you....do you know why? its not because ive got twitch reflexes or skill or all that other crap....it because i do whatever it takes to gain the upper hand on my enemy....you sir suck at having fun....you want to limit yourself and think your good because of it thats fine....dont get mad when people like me come around and smash your stupid tryhard face into some glass....you may have your perfect aim or whatever.. but i have tactics and cunning...after all when it comes to war being a good shot means nothing if you dont allow yourself to fight at your full potential.....for a guy like me that means pulling out the swarms and smashing any one foolish enough to pull a vehicle out recklessly on to the battlefield...your saying people who play a war game the way it was always meant to be played suck? only an ignorant sports player with an ego the size of the sun would say that...go back to your damn competitive sports and leave my war game alone....
Tactics & Cunning??? Swarm Launcher??? LOL!!!! BTW WAR is a Sport. Ever heard of WAR Games??? Paintball??? Lazer Tag??? GOML Scrub!!! Play Metal Gear, get good, then you may talk about "Tactics & Cunning" |
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SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
4
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:29:00 -
[51] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners first you suck at trolling...second the swarm is a lock on weapon.....its supposed to do that. talent....i didnt know that hitting some buttons was considered talent.....i dont care what playstyle you use....in the end its just a game...and playing a game is not talent....go back to your stupid bf3 or cod....in this game anything goes...that includes mopping up the competition with lock on weaponry....and coming soon*tm* guided bombs smart weapons and all that other good stuff that belongs in a game about war.also the swarm cant hurt infantry....everything you just cried about is invalid. And you suck at playing there is no right way to play you jerk.....to hell with how you want to play...the devs made the swarm launcher and im going to use it....you try hard trash players have no business beating on people who dont wanna play your trash way....this isnt a stupid sports game...it isnt a trash competitive game....it is a game about war......to win a war you need use everything...... EVERYTHING.....also your a troll to...you and the people who gave you thumbs up....i suck for using whats in the game?.....no its the other way around....YOU SUCK......unlike you i play the game in many ways because it was made to be played however you want....stupid trash like you comes around and says.....OMG YU NUB YOUR USING A GUN THAT LOCK ON TU VEHICLES YOU GOTS NO SKILLZ......really in a game about beating the other team to a pulp your pulling that cheap stunt? theres a reason war is not a sport.....and i suck at playing? let me tell you something......i could probably beat you....do you know why? its not because ive got twitch reflexes or skill or all that other crap....it because i do whatever it takes to gain the upper hand on my enemy....you sir suck at having fun....you want to limit yourself and think your good because of it thats fine....dont get mad when people like me come around and smash your stupid tryhard face into some glass....you may have your perfect aim or whatever..but i have tactics and cunning...after all when it comes to war being a good shot means nothing if you dont allow yourself to fight at your full potential.....for a guy like me that means pulling out the swarms and smashing any one foolish enough to pull a vehicle out recklessly on to the battlefield...your saying people who play a war game the way it was always meant to be played suck? only an ignorant sports player with an ego the size of the sun would say that...go back to your damn competitive sports and leave my war game alone....
And even after all of this the noob launcher is still easy mode.
OMG YU NUB YOUR USING A GUN THAT LOCK ON TU VEHICLES YOU GOTS NO SKILLZ...... |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
244
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:30:00 -
[52] - Quote
Ninjanomyx wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners first you suck at trolling...second the swarm is a lock on weapon.....its supposed to do that. talent....i didnt know that hitting some buttons was considered talent.....i dont care what playstyle you use....in the end its just a game...and playing a game is not talent....go back to your stupid bf3 or cod....in this game anything goes...that includes mopping up the competition with lock on weaponry....and coming soon*tm* guided bombs smart weapons and all that other good stuff that belongs in a game about war.also the swarm cant hurt infantry....everything you just cried about is invalid. And you suck at playing there is no right way to play you jerk.....to hell with how you want to play...the devs made the swarm launcher and im going to use it....you try hard trash players have no business beating on people who dont wanna play your trash way....this isnt a stupid sports game...it isnt a trash competitive game....it is a game about war......to win a war you need use everything...... EVERYTHING.....also your a troll to...you and the people who gave you thumbs up....i suck for using whats in the game?.....no its the other way around....YOU SUCK......unlike you i play the game in many ways because it was made to be played however you want....stupid trash like you comes around and says.....OMG YU NUB YOUR USING A GUN THAT LOCK ON TU VEHICLES YOU GOTS NO SKILLZ......really in a game about beating the other team to a pulp your pulling that cheap stunt? theres a reason war is not a sport.....and i suck at playing? let me tell you something......i could probably beat you....do you know why? its not because ive got twitch reflexes or skill or all that other crap....it because i do whatever it takes to gain the upper hand on my enemy....you sir suck at having fun....you want to limit yourself and think your good because of it thats fine....dont get mad when people like me come around and smash your stupid tryhard face into some glass....you may have your perfect aim or whatever.. but i have tactics and cunning...after all when it comes to war being a good shot means nothing if you dont allow yourself to fight at your full potential.....for a guy like me that means pulling out the swarms and smashing any one foolish enough to pull a vehicle out recklessly on to the battlefield...your saying people who play a war game the way it was always meant to be played suck? only an ignorant sports player with an ego the size of the sun would say that...go back to your damn competitive sports and leave my war game alone.... Tactics & Cunning??? Swarm Launcher??? LOL!!!! BTW WAR is a Sport. Ever heard of WAR Games??? Paintball??? Lazer Tag??? GOML Scrub!!! Play Metal Gear, get good, then you may talk about "Tactics & Cunning" i played mgo for two years guy....i smashed competitive players into the ground......paintball isnt war..airsoft isnt war...you can not kill people....in war video games you can....HOW THE HELL IS PAINTBALL WAR?.....if there isnt any killing that it isnt war.also yes there are tactics and cunning with a swarm launcher....it called getting a good position and ambushing your enemy... laser tag is not war..... paint ball is not war....air soft is not war....no one dies and there are freaking rules in those sports......there are no rules in war...so how the hell can paintball or laser tag be considered war games? there just sports with fake guns...real skilled players use everything.....average players cry on the forums like the op. |
Castrated Tanker
lnternal Error.
4
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:34:00 -
[53] - Quote
My uncle died during paintball. He had a heart attack |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
244
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:34:00 -
[54] - Quote
SoTa p0p wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners first you suck at trolling...second the swarm is a lock on weapon.....its supposed to do that. talent....i didnt know that hitting some buttons was considered talent.....i dont care what playstyle you use....in the end its just a game...and playing a game is not talent....go back to your stupid bf3 or cod....in this game anything goes...that includes mopping up the competition with lock on weaponry....and coming soon*tm* guided bombs smart weapons and all that other good stuff that belongs in a game about war.also the swarm cant hurt infantry....everything you just cried about is invalid. And you suck at playing there is no right way to play you jerk.....to hell with how you want to play...the devs made the swarm launcher and im going to use it....you try hard trash players have no business beating on people who dont wanna play your trash way....this isnt a stupid sports game...it isnt a trash competitive game....it is a game about war......to win a war you need use everything...... EVERYTHING.....also your a troll to...you and the people who gave you thumbs up....i suck for using whats in the game?.....no its the other way around....YOU SUCK......unlike you i play the game in many ways because it was made to be played however you want....stupid trash like you comes around and says.....OMG YU NUB YOUR USING A GUN THAT LOCK ON TU VEHICLES YOU GOTS NO SKILLZ......really in a game about beating the other team to a pulp your pulling that cheap stunt? theres a reason war is not a sport.....and i suck at playing? let me tell you something......i could probably beat you....do you know why? its not because ive got twitch reflexes or skill or all that other crap....it because i do whatever it takes to gain the upper hand on my enemy....you sir suck at having fun....you want to limit yourself and think your good because of it thats fine....dont get mad when people like me come around and smash your stupid tryhard face into some glass....you may have your perfect aim or whatever..but i have tactics and cunning...after all when it comes to war being a good shot means nothing if you dont allow yourself to fight at your full potential.....for a guy like me that means pulling out the swarms and smashing any one foolish enough to pull a vehicle out recklessly on to the battlefield...your saying people who play a war game the way it was always meant to be played suck? only an ignorant sports player with an ego the size of the sun would say that...go back to your damn competitive sports and leave my war game alone.... And even after all of this the noob launcher is still easy mode. OMG YU NUB YOUR USING A GUN THAT LOCK ON TU VEHICLES YOU GOTS NO SKILLZ...... ok dumbass you wanna be like that.....you ever heard of a javelin or stinger? thats what the swarm launcher is.....its purpose is to lock on and dispose of vehicles...but it can not fight infantry.....of course a dumbass like you who thinks only about competition could never figure that one out....go back to your football. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
244
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:37:00 -
[55] - Quote
Castrated Tanker wrote:My uncle died during paintball. He had a heart attack hm? now this is interesting....the poor old man must have been having flashbacks to the Vietnam war...or he had to much junkfood |
Castrated Tanker
lnternal Error.
5
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:41:00 -
[56] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:Castrated Tanker wrote:My uncle died during paintball. He had a heart attack hm? now this is interesting....the poor old man must have been having flashbacks to the Vietnam war...or he had to much junkfood
In the end we all succumb to the bacon |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
245
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:43:00 -
[57] - Quote
Castrated Tanker wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Castrated Tanker wrote:My uncle died during paintball. He had a heart attack hm? now this is interesting....the poor old man must have been having flashbacks to the Vietnam war...or he had to much junkfood In the end we all succumb to the bacon *sigh* yes....yes we do.....i actually lost my aunt in irl because her body could not handle the stuff she was putting in to her body.... |
SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
4
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:46:00 -
[58] - Quote
OMG YU NUB YOUR USING A GUN THAT LOCK ON TU VEHICLES YOU GOTS NO SKILLZ......[/quote] ok dumbass you wanna be like that.....you ever heard of a javelin or stinger? thats what the swarm launcher is.....its purpose is to lock on and dispose of vehicles...but it can not fight infantry.....of course a dumbass like you who thinks only about competition could never figure that one out....go back to your football.[/quote]
Come at me bro. I look forward to your hatemail and rage quitting |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
245
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:48:00 -
[59] - Quote
SoTa p0p wrote: OMG YU NUB YOUR USING A GUN THAT LOCK ON TU VEHICLES YOU GOTS NO SKILLZ......
ok dumbass you wanna be like that.....you ever heard of a javelin or stinger? thats what the swarm launcher is.....its purpose is to lock on and dispose of vehicles...but it can not fight infantry.....of course a dumbass like you who thinks only about competition could never figure that one out....go back to your football.[/quote]
Come at me bro. I look forward to your hatemail and rage quitting[/quote] aw damn it.....your trolling....cmon man really? and i thought you were legit.....dont make me shove my swarm launcher up your rear end.. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
277
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:49:00 -
[60] - Quote
Why are these posters failing at quoting lolol it's not hard xD |
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
246
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:50:00 -
[61] - Quote
Serimos Haeraven wrote:Why are these posters failing at quoting lolol it's not hard xD dude i swear i have no clue how this stuff works |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
246
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:53:00 -
[62] - Quote
Fox Gaden wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners first you suck at trolling...second the swarm is a lock on weapon.....its supposed to do that. talent....i didnt know that hitting some buttons was considered talent.....i dont care what playstyle you use....in the end its just a game...and playing a game is not talent....go back to your stupid bf3 or cod....in this game anything goes...that includes mopping up the competition with lock on weaponry....and coming soon*tm* guided bombs smart weapons and all that other good stuff that belongs in a game about war.also the swarm cant hurt infantry....everything you just cried about is invalid. How can you say he sucks at trolling and then go on to give him just the type of post he was trolling for? Were you taking pity on the troll, or did he actually get you worked up? As for the Original Post, unskilled Swarm Launcher users die quickly and die often. For more information see my guide: Unleashing the Swarm, a guide to being effective with the Swarm Launcher dude i always fall for troll bait....even if i know the man is trolling...ive been like that since i was a kid...... only God knows why i still fall for this stuff |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
278
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Posted - 2013.07.22 17:00:00 -
[63] - Quote
Personally, proto-swarm launchers make me laugh. Whenever i get hit by heavy proto swarms i just watch where they come from and use my dropships speed to fly literally right over the swarmer but be going so fast that all of his swarms are completely useless, and i make sure to let him know i know exactly where he is :P & people that SP sink that much just for swarms is pretty hilarious alone. |
SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
4
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Posted - 2013.07.22 17:07:00 -
[64] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners first you suck at trolling...second the swarm is a lock on weapon.....its supposed to do that. talent....i didnt know that hitting some buttons was considered talent.....i dont care what playstyle you use....in the end its just a game...and playing a game is not talent....go back to your stupid bf3 or cod....in this game anything goes...that includes mopping up the competition with lock on weaponry....and coming soon*tm* guided bombs smart weapons and all that other good stuff that belongs in a game about war.also the swarm cant hurt infantry....everything you just cried about is invalid. How can you say he sucks at trolling and then go on to give him just the type of post he was trolling for? Were you taking pity on the troll, or did he actually get you worked up? As for the Original Post, unskilled Swarm Launcher users die quickly and die often. For more information see my guide: Unleashing the Swarm, a guide to being effective with the Swarm Launcher dude i always fall for troll bait....even if i know the man is trolling...ive been like that since i was a kid...... only God knows why i still fall for this stuff
This thread is no troll, swarm launchers are noob mode plain and simple. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
247
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Posted - 2013.07.22 17:11:00 -
[65] - Quote
SoTa p0p wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners first you suck at trolling...second the swarm is a lock on weapon.....its supposed to do that. talent....i didnt know that hitting some buttons was considered talent.....i dont care what playstyle you use....in the end its just a game...and playing a game is not talent....go back to your stupid bf3 or cod....in this game anything goes...that includes mopping up the competition with lock on weaponry....and coming soon*tm* guided bombs smart weapons and all that other good stuff that belongs in a game about war.also the swarm cant hurt infantry....everything you just cried about is invalid. How can you say he sucks at trolling and then go on to give him just the type of post he was trolling for? Were you taking pity on the troll, or did he actually get you worked up? As for the Original Post, unskilled Swarm Launcher users die quickly and die often. For more information see my guide: Unleashing the Swarm, a guide to being effective with the Swarm Launcher dude i always fall for troll bait....even if i know the man is trolling...ive been like that since i was a kid...... only God knows why i still fall for this stuff This thread is no troll, swarm launchers are noob mode plain and simple. the person who gets killed by a swarm launcher is the real noob...all you have to do to kill a swarm user is run up to him with an ar and hold r1.....stop trying to bend this game to your will you freaking troll. |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
95
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Posted - 2013.07.22 17:22:00 -
[66] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:first you suck at trolling...second the swarm is a lock on weapon.....its supposed to do that. talent....i didnt know that hitting some buttons was considered talent.....i dont care what playstyle you use....in the end its just a game...and playing a game is not talent....go back to your stupid bf3 or cod....in this game anything goes...that includes mopping up the competition with lock on weaponry....and coming soon*tm* guided bombs smart weapons and all that other good stuff that belongs in a game about war.also the swarm cant hurt infantry....everything you just cried about is invalid.
Do....You...Expect...People...To...Take...You...Seriously???
Also, assault forge gun master race reporting in. My AV will wreck all forms of AV in just a few hits |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
699
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Posted - 2013.07.22 17:44:00 -
[67] - Quote
D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:
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Finally, if you are completely fed up with Swarm Launchers, switch to driving a Logi LAV. I have not seen a Swarm Launcher take out a Logi LAV since the global vehicle hit point buff a few days after Uprising.
On your final point, Proto swarm launcher with damage mods a one shot kill for all LAV's 98% of the time. I was formulating a response to this post, when suddenly I realized that your post could be read as saying that a LAV can 1 shot a merc with a Proto Swarm Launcher and Damage modes 98% of the time. Having ended up as road kill when hunting LAVs on several occasions I have to say I completely agree. |
Son Down
SamsClub
67
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:19:00 -
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SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners
Watch a well-fitted Madruger run through a pub full of newbies, then come back. Pfffft.
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Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
701
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:19:00 -
[69] - Quote
Serimos Haeraven wrote:Personally, proto-swarm launchers make me laugh. Whenever i get hit by heavy proto swarms i just watch where they come from and use my dropships speed to fly literally right over the swarmer but be going so fast that all of his swarms are completely useless, and i make sure to let him know i know exactly where he is :P & people that SP sink that much just for swarms is pretty hilarious alone. It is nice when player skill becomes a prominent component in balance. Proto Swarm vs Dropship is a great example of this.
Proto Swarm vs Bad Pilot = Dead Dropship Proto Swarm vs Good Pilot = Wasted missiles
I solute you and the skilled pilots like you. I just wish the bad pilots could keep their drop ships from running into buildings before I get the kill. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
278
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:28:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Personally, proto-swarm launchers make me laugh. Whenever i get hit by heavy proto swarms i just watch where they come from and use my dropships speed to fly literally right over the swarmer but be going so fast that all of his swarms are completely useless, and i make sure to let him know i know exactly where he is :P & people that SP sink that much just for swarms is pretty hilarious alone. It is nice when player skill becomes a prominent component in balance. Proto Swarm vs Dropship is a great example of this. Proto Swarm vs Bad Pilot = Dead Dropship Proto Swarm vs Good Pilot = Wasted missiles I solute you and the skilled pilots like you. I just wish the bad pilots could keep their drop ships from running into buildings before I get the kill. Thank you very much :P And i completely agree, the one thing that determines whether you will survive in a dropship (apart from random RDV's) is your skill, and my python can out-run a 2nd swarm shot any time of day, because once the first swarms hit me i have about 5-7 seconds to put my fuel injector on and speed away. But i have seen some insanely funny DS crashes as I'm shooting them down, such as the pilot trying to land ontop of a building but as he's getting out his dropship topples over the side and takes him with it, as well as while a DS is trying to run away from my proto-missle launchers he runs right into a large building. |
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SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
4
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:29:00 -
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Son Down wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners Watch a well-fitted Madruger run through a pub full of newbies, then come back. Pfffft.
Your argument was dead the second you typed "pub full of newbies" |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
249
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:33:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:first you suck at trolling...second the swarm is a lock on weapon.....its supposed to do that. talent....i didnt know that hitting some buttons was considered talent.....i dont care what playstyle you use....in the end its just a game...and playing a game is not talent....go back to your stupid bf3 or cod....in this game anything goes...that includes mopping up the competition with lock on weaponry....and coming soon*tm* guided bombs smart weapons and all that other good stuff that belongs in a game about war.also the swarm cant hurt infantry....everything you just cried about is invalid. Do....You...Expect...People...To...Take...You...Seriously??? Also, assault forge gun master race reporting in. My AV will wreck all forms of AV in just a few hits DAMN IT THUNDER GO BOTHER THE SCOUTS IM BUSY |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2728
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:34:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Personally, proto-swarm launchers make me laugh. Whenever i get hit by heavy proto swarms i just watch where they come from and use my dropships speed to fly literally right over the swarmer but be going so fast that all of his swarms are completely useless, and i make sure to let him know i know exactly where he is :P & people that SP sink that much just for swarms is pretty hilarious alone. It is nice when player skill becomes a prominent component in balance. Proto Swarm vs Dropship is a great example of this. Proto Swarm vs Bad Pilot = Dead Dropship Proto Swarm vs Good Pilot = Wasted missiles I solute you and the skilled pilots like you. I just wish the bad pilots could keep their drop ships from running into buildings before I get the kill. Thank you very much :P And i completely agree, the one thing that determines whether you will survive in a dropship (apart from random RDV's) is your skill, and my python can out-run a 2nd swarm shot any time of day, because once the first swarms hit me i have about 5-7 seconds to put my fuel injector on and speed away. But i have seen some insanely funny DS crashes as I'm shooting them down, such as the pilot trying to land ontop of a building but as he's getting out his dropship topples over the side and takes him with it, as well as while a DS is trying to run away from my proto-missle launchers he runs right into a large building. Don't forget that luck is a factor too, while swarms are rarely an issue there's always that time when 1 hits you just before a forge gun or vice versa and your cackling laughter turns to a moan of dismay as your dropship plummets, or those rare cases when the knock throws you into terrain. |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
701
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:36:00 -
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SoTa p0p wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners first you suck at trolling...second the swarm is a lock on weapon.....its supposed to do that. talent....i didnt know that hitting some buttons was considered talent.....i dont care what playstyle you use....in the end its just a game...and playing a game is not talent....go back to your stupid bf3 or cod....in this game anything goes...that includes mopping up the competition with lock on weaponry....and coming soon*tm* guided bombs smart weapons and all that other good stuff that belongs in a game about war.also the swarm cant hurt infantry....everything you just cried about is invalid. How can you say he sucks at trolling and then go on to give him just the type of post he was trolling for? Were you taking pity on the troll, or did he actually get you worked up? As for the Original Post, unskilled Swarm Launcher users die quickly and die often. For more information see my guide: Unleashing the Swarm, a guide to being effective with the Swarm Launcher dude i always fall for troll bait....even if i know the man is trolling...ive been like that since i was a kid...... only God knows why i still fall for this stuff This thread is no troll, swarm launchers are noob mode plain and simple. So are HAVGÇÖs, or did you not play during any of the builds where HAVGÇÖs were strong and AV was weak? The only thing that keeps HAVGÇÖs from being noob mode is AV. When the balance is off between HAVGÇÖs and AV then one or the other will seem like noob mode to the casual observer.
The answer to the current situation is to give HAV pilots counter measures that will allow player skill to be a factor in avoiding Swarm Launcher damage. Removing Swarm Launchers would just make HAVGÇÖs easy mode for bad players. Which solution would you prefer? |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
278
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:38:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Personally, proto-swarm launchers make me laugh. Whenever i get hit by heavy proto swarms i just watch where they come from and use my dropships speed to fly literally right over the swarmer but be going so fast that all of his swarms are completely useless, and i make sure to let him know i know exactly where he is :P & people that SP sink that much just for swarms is pretty hilarious alone. It is nice when player skill becomes a prominent component in balance. Proto Swarm vs Dropship is a great example of this. Proto Swarm vs Bad Pilot = Dead Dropship Proto Swarm vs Good Pilot = Wasted missiles I solute you and the skilled pilots like you. I just wish the bad pilots could keep their drop ships from running into buildings before I get the kill. Thank you very much :P And i completely agree, the one thing that determines whether you will survive in a dropship (apart from random RDV's) is your skill, and my python can out-run a 2nd swarm shot any time of day, because once the first swarms hit me i have about 5-7 seconds to put my fuel injector on and speed away. But i have seen some insanely funny DS crashes as I'm shooting them down, such as the pilot trying to land ontop of a building but as he's getting out his dropship topples over the side and takes him with it, as well as while a DS is trying to run away from my proto-missle launchers he runs right into a large building. Don't forget that luck is a factor too, while swarms are rarely an issue there's always that time when 1 hits you just before a forge gun or vice versa and your cackling laughter turns to a moan of dismay as your dropship plummets, or those rare cases when the knock throws you into terrain. Well yes, when there's an AV team up on me and i get hit by 2-3 seperate AV's all at once, I can't help but say oh well, there was nothing i could really do even if i did have a shield tanked ds, I have had that happen about only twice though, where the reason i lost wasn't because of 1 OP assault forge gun making unbelievable shots at me or railgun snipers picking me off, but instead because i had an entire team of different AV's focused on me alone. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:41:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:gbghg wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Personally, proto-swarm launchers make me laugh. Whenever i get hit by heavy proto swarms i just watch where they come from and use my dropships speed to fly literally right over the swarmer but be going so fast that all of his swarms are completely useless, and i make sure to let him know i know exactly where he is :P & people that SP sink that much just for swarms is pretty hilarious alone. It is nice when player skill becomes a prominent component in balance. Proto Swarm vs Dropship is a great example of this. Proto Swarm vs Bad Pilot = Dead Dropship Proto Swarm vs Good Pilot = Wasted missiles I solute you and the skilled pilots like you. I just wish the bad pilots could keep their drop ships from running into buildings before I get the kill. Thank you very much :P And i completely agree, the one thing that determines whether you will survive in a dropship (apart from random RDV's) is your skill, and my python can out-run a 2nd swarm shot any time of day, because once the first swarms hit me i have about 5-7 seconds to put my fuel injector on and speed away. But i have seen some insanely funny DS crashes as I'm shooting them down, such as the pilot trying to land ontop of a building but as he's getting out his dropship topples over the side and takes him with it, as well as while a DS is trying to run away from my proto-missle launchers he runs right into a large building. Don't forget that luck is a factor too, while swarms are rarely an issue there's always that time when 1 hits you just before a forge gun or vice versa and your cackling laughter turns to a moan of dismay as your dropship plummets, or those rare cases when the knock throws you into terrain. Well yes, when there's an AV team up on me and i get hit by 2-3 seperate AV's all at once, I can't help but say oh well, there was nothing i could really do even if i did have an all shield tanked ds, I have had that happen about only twice though, where the reason i lost wasn't because of 1 OP assault forge gun making unbelievable shots at me or railgun snipers picking me off, but instead because i had an entire team of different AV's focused on me alone. Yeah, and RDV's. bad luck means that they remain a threat, was doing a strafing run and a reddot called one in as I activated my afterburner and pulled out, thing spawned right above me and dropped, Bang! No more dropship |
SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
5
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:43:00 -
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Nobody said remove them, all I said is they are too easy to use, forgegunners that are good have talent, the best swarmer in the world is still a scrub |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:46:00 -
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SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners +++++++++++++++++++++++1 |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2728
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:48:00 -
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SoTa p0p wrote:
Nobody said remove them, all I said is they are too easy to use, forgegunners that are good have talent, the best swarmer in the world is still a scrub
Forge gun
Point Shoot Profit
Hmm so much skill is there. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
249
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:48:00 -
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SoTa p0p wrote:
Nobody said remove them, all I said is they are too easy to use, forgegunners that are good have talent, the best swarmer in the world is still a scrub
forge guns can kill infantry.....swarms cant...what the hell is wrong with you? swarms can only fight vehicles...how the hell is that nooby? i swear your just a stubborn tryhard trying get everything to go his way.....CCP CLOSE THIS DAMN TROLL POST....THIS GUY IS JUST MAD BECAUSE HE GETS OWNED BY SWARM LAUNCHERS! |
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CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:49:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:HAVs are easy mode....
...Because they can see over objects from the vantage point of a camera 10 m above the tank itself giving them unparalleled situational awareness. And because even though I can hear the tank, somehow my radar cannot see them until they suprise blaster kill me. And, they have infinite ammo. Ofc I could buy some fancy headphones to play the game, but I'd rather not just yet.
Make all tanks first person view, limit their ammunition, and make them detectable from 50m, and then we can talk.
To shoot at a tank with swarm launchers you must have line of sight on most of the tank. So for a blaster tank, this means you can get a chance to shoot at the swarm launcher.
I think the smart dropship pilots know how do think 3 dimensionally. The better HAV drivers I can tell, because they know how to cover their retreat with vertical barriers. I'm not a HAV pilot, but I think this is why the high-ground is that much more important for them, because if the SL rockets are coming from below them, backing jup just a bit will mean the missiles hit the ground right in front of them. LOL line of sight, you can lock on to it behind rocks, even if the tank is behind rocks as well.
You're not a HAV pilot, so you have no idea what you're talking about from both sides of the fence, only one. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
250
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:50:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:HAVs are easy mode....
...Because they can see over objects from the vantage point of a camera 10 m above the tank itself giving them unparalleled situational awareness. And because even though I can hear the tank, somehow my radar cannot see them until they suprise blaster kill me. And, they have infinite ammo. Ofc I could buy some fancy headphones to play the game, but I'd rather not just yet.
Make all tanks first person view, limit their ammunition, and make them detectable from 50m, and then we can talk.
To shoot at a tank with swarm launchers you must have line of sight on most of the tank. So for a blaster tank, this means you can get a chance to shoot at the swarm launcher.
I think the smart dropship pilots know how do think 3 dimensionally. The better HAV drivers I can tell, because they know how to cover their retreat with vertical barriers. I'm not a HAV pilot, but I think this is why the high-ground is that much more important for them, because if the SL rockets are coming from below them, backing jup just a bit will mean the missiles hit the ground right in front of them. LOL line of sight, you can lock on to it behind rocks, even if the tank is behind rocks as well. You're not a HAV pilot, so you have no idea what you're talking about from both sides of the fence, only one. And you dont use swarm launchers...you can not lock on to people behind cover... |
Rupture Reaperson
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
255
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:53:00 -
[83] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote: And you dont use swarm launchers...you can not lock on to people behind cover...
Well there is a way... but Im not gonna give away the secret do I? |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
250
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:56:00 -
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Rupture Reaperson wrote:Soldiersaint wrote: And you dont use swarm launchers...you can not lock on to people behind cover...
Well there is a way... but Im not gonna give away the secret do I? dude if its a glitch then wtf.....you can not use that as a way to call the swarms op.. |
SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
5
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:57:00 -
[85] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:HAVs are easy mode....
...Because they can see over objects from the vantage point of a camera 10 m above the tank itself giving them unparalleled situational awareness. And because even though I can hear the tank, somehow my radar cannot see them until they suprise blaster kill me. And, they have infinite ammo. Ofc I could buy some fancy headphones to play the game, but I'd rather not just yet.
Make all tanks first person view, limit their ammunition, and make them detectable from 50m, and then we can talk.
To shoot at a tank with swarm launchers you must have line of sight on most of the tank. So for a blaster tank, this means you can get a chance to shoot at the swarm launcher.
I think the smart dropship pilots know how do think 3 dimensionally. The better HAV drivers I can tell, because they know how to cover their retreat with vertical barriers. I'm not a HAV pilot, but I think this is why the high-ground is that much more important for them, because if the SL rockets are coming from below them, backing jup just a bit will mean the missiles hit the ground right in front of them. LOL line of sight, you can lock on to it behind rocks, even if the tank is behind rocks as well. You're not a HAV pilot, so you have no idea what you're talking about from both sides of the fence, only one. And you dont use swarm launchers...you can not lock on to people behind cover...
Go away, your posts keep getting more and more useless |
Xender17
Intrepidus XI EoN.
349
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:59:00 -
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LO- Seriously cut the crap people and stop using "LOL dude". Insults show weakness in arguments.
I'm a tanker/proto swarmer.... I don't see them as easy. If you don't have a good enough sidearm your dead. DS's outrun them which makes sense right now... But will have to change when jets, super fast flying planes, are introduced. Also unlike the FG you have to step out of hiding for a couple of seconds. Also OF COURSE there is going to be a heat seeking weapon. At least it can't fire at infantry still. Complaining is going to do nothing. Do you really think CCP well nerf this weapon? They may do nerfs/buffs to other things that result it seeming to be nerf.
The glitches do provide an unprecedented advantage... Which well obviously be fixed soon... If your going to complain about something, other than core flaylock, please be sure you are specced into it as well. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2730
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:02:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:LO- Seriously cut the crap people and stop using "LOL dude". Insults show weakness in arguments.
I'm a tanker/proto swarmer.... I don't see them as easy. If you don't have a good enough sidearm your dead. DS's outrun them which makes sense right now... But will have to change when jets, super fast flying planes, are introduced. Also unlike the FG you have to step out of hiding for a couple of seconds. Also OF COURSE there is going to be a heat seeking weapon. At least it can't fire at infantry still. Complaining is going to do nothing. Do you really think CCP well nerf this weapon? They may do nerfs/buffs to other things that result it seeming to be nerf.
The glitches do provide an unprecedented advantage... Which well obviously be fixed soon... If your going to complain about something, other than core flaylock, please be sure you are specced into it as well. LOL dude. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
250
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:03:00 -
[88] - Quote
SoTa p0p wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:HAVs are easy mode....
...Because they can see over objects from the vantage point of a camera 10 m above the tank itself giving them unparalleled situational awareness. And because even though I can hear the tank, somehow my radar cannot see them until they suprise blaster kill me. And, they have infinite ammo. Ofc I could buy some fancy headphones to play the game, but I'd rather not just yet.
Make all tanks first person view, limit their ammunition, and make them detectable from 50m, and then we can talk.
To shoot at a tank with swarm launchers you must have line of sight on most of the tank. So for a blaster tank, this means you can get a chance to shoot at the swarm launcher.
I think the smart dropship pilots know how do think 3 dimensionally. The better HAV drivers I can tell, because they know how to cover their retreat with vertical barriers. I'm not a HAV pilot, but I think this is why the high-ground is that much more important for them, because if the SL rockets are coming from below them, backing jup just a bit will mean the missiles hit the ground right in front of them. LOL line of sight, you can lock on to it behind rocks, even if the tank is behind rocks as well. You're not a HAV pilot, so you have no idea what you're talking about from both sides of the fence, only one. And you dont use swarm launchers...you can not lock on to people behind cover... Go away, your posts keep getting more and more useless oh whats that? your mad because im pointing out the stupidity of any one who whines about a weapon that cant fight infantry.....AND THEY STILL WANT IT NERFED.....your all just a bunch of selfish jerks who want the game to play your way....this post needs to be locked by ccp for troll bait.....CCP LOCK THIS DAMN THREAD PLEASE! |
SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
5
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:05:00 -
[89] - Quote
gbghg wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:
Nobody said remove them, all I said is they are too easy to use, forgegunners that are good have talent, the best swarmer in the world is still a scrub
Forge gun Point Shoot Profit Hmm so much skill is there.
Against dropships, no skill I agree, but against ground vehicles it actually takes skill, especially the guns that won't hold a charge. |
SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
5
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:10:00 -
[90] - Quote
Quit trying to get my thread locked soldiersaint, your just trying to put a muzzle on the TRUTH. |
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Rupture Reaperson
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
255
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:11:00 -
[91] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:Rupture Reaperson wrote:Soldiersaint wrote: And you dont use swarm launchers...you can not lock on to people behind cover...
Well there is a way... but Im not gonna give away the secret do I? dude if its a glitch then wtf.....you can not use that as a way to call the swarms op.. Its more of a thing that starts with "S" but people dont claim that the SLs have, so... hey, more A/V funded iskies for me. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:14:00 -
[92] - Quote
Son Down wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners Watch a well-fitted Madruger run through a pub full of newbies, then come back. Pfffft. Luck of the draw. Has nothing to do with putting people with similar war points or SP together. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2731
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:19:00 -
[93] - Quote
SoTa p0p wrote:gbghg wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:
Nobody said remove them, all I said is they are too easy to use, forgegunners that are good have talent, the best swarmer in the world is still a scrub
Forge gun Point Shoot Profit Hmm so much skill is there. Against dropships, no skill I agree, but against ground vehicles it actually takes skill, especially the guns that won't hold a charge. Everything is no skill against dropships, everyone hears us, everyone sees us, we're the vehicle equivalent of a scout suit, and our health is balanced against weapons that are 10% weaker than what they currently are. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
251
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:20:00 -
[94] - Quote
SoTa p0p wrote:Quit trying to get my thread locked soldiersaint, your just trying to put a muzzle on the TRUTH. dude your one of those tryhards that think ANY THING WITH A LOCK ON IS FOR NOOBS! not only are you wrong but your just being a jerk.......stop trying to make everything go your way...this thread is a troll thread....there will always be lock on weapons...they are not for noobs...they are for people who want to have fun and use something different from a sucky assault rifle.LOCK THIS DAMN THREAD.ALL THIS GUY IS TRYING TO DO IS GET THE SL NERFED BECAUSE HE DOESNT LIKE IT! HE THINKS EVERY GUN SHOULD BE A POINT AND CLICK WEAPON LIKE COD.....the swarm can not kill soldiers....you have been ignoring me this whole time about that...you have replied not once about that.....thats because all you care about is making things go your way...this thread is going to get locked...ill make sure of it... |
SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
486
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:20:00 -
[95] - Quote
at first I saw this SoTa wanna be and thought, 'fail'
But now we're on page 5 and I couldn't be prouder of you my lil clone <3 |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
705
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:22:00 -
[96] - Quote
Xender17 wrote:LO- Seriously cut the crap people and stop using "LOL dude". Insults show weakness in arguments.
I'm a tanker/proto swarmer.... I don't see them as easy. If you don't have a good enough sidearm your dead. DS's outrun them which makes sense right now... But will have to change when jets, super fast flying planes, are introduced. Also unlike the FG you have to step out of hiding for a couple of seconds. Also OF COURSE there is going to be a heat seeking weapon. At least it can't fire at infantry still. Complaining is going to do nothing. Do you really think CCP well nerf this weapon? They may do nerfs/buffs to other things that result it seeming to be nerf.
The glitches do provide an unprecedented advantage... Which well obviously be fixed soon... If your going to complain about something, other than core flaylock, please be sure you are specced into it as well. Nice to hear from someone who has been on both sides of the fence.
The solution for using Swarm Launchers against jets is to program them to take a head on course against jets. Basically, fly into the jetGÇÖs flight path, turn toward the jet, and fly straight at it. This will mean that while Swarms will not be able to catch a jet flying away, they will be able to catch jets flying generally toward the Swarm Launcher. It will also mean that skilled jet pilots will be able to make a last minute course correction to avoid the swarms, thus balancing on player skill. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
251
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:23:00 -
[97] - Quote
SoTa of PoP wrote:at first I saw this SoTa wanna be and thought, 'fail'
But now we're on page 5 and I couldn't be prouder of you my lil clone <3 you have not givin a single reason thats GOOD for why the swarm launcher needs to be nerfed.....this guy is trolling! |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2731
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:24:00 -
[98] - Quote
SoTa of PoP wrote:at first I saw this SoTa wanna be and thought, 'fail'
But now we're on page 5 and I couldn't be prouder of you my lil clone <3 LMAO. |
SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
5
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:25:00 -
[99] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Quit trying to get my thread locked soldiersaint, your just trying to put a muzzle on the TRUTH. dude your one of those tryhards that think ANY THING WITH A LOCK ON IS FOR NOOBS! not only are you wrong but your just being a jerk.......stop trying to make everything go your way...this thread is a troll thread....there will always be lock on weapons...they are not for noobs...they are for people who want to have fun and use something different from a sucky assault rifle.LOCK THIS DAMN THREAD.ALL THIS GUY IS TRYING TO DO IS GET THE SL NERFED BECAUSE HE DOESNT LIKE IT! HE THINKS EVERY GUN SHOULD BE A POINT AND CLICK WEAPON LIKE COD.....the swarm can not kill soldiers....you have been ignoring me this whole time about that...you have replied not once about that.....thats because all you care about is making things go your way...this thread is going to get locked...ill make sure of it...
A sidearm kills troops correct? Try using a sidearm with your easy mode swarm fit |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:28:00 -
[100] - Quote
Rupture Reaperson wrote:Soldiersaint wrote: And you dont use swarm launchers...you can not lock on to people behind cover...
Well there is a way... but Im not gonna give away the secret do I? Exactly |
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
251
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:29:00 -
[101] - Quote
SoTa p0p wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Quit trying to get my thread locked soldiersaint, your just trying to put a muzzle on the TRUTH. dude your one of those tryhards that think ANY THING WITH A LOCK ON IS FOR NOOBS! not only are you wrong but your just being a jerk.......stop trying to make everything go your way...this thread is a troll thread....there will always be lock on weapons...they are not for noobs...they are for people who want to have fun and use something different from a sucky assault rifle.LOCK THIS DAMN THREAD.ALL THIS GUY IS TRYING TO DO IS GET THE SL NERFED BECAUSE HE DOESNT LIKE IT! HE THINKS EVERY GUN SHOULD BE A POINT AND CLICK WEAPON LIKE COD.....the swarm can not kill soldiers....you have been ignoring me this whole time about that...you have replied not once about that.....thats because all you care about is making things go your way...this thread is going to get locked...ill make sure of it... A sidearm kills troops correct? Try using a sidearm with your easy mode swarm fit im done with this troll...CCP THIS GUY IS TROLLING I BET HE DOESNT EVEN CARE ABOUT THE SWARM LAUNCHER HES JUST DOING THIS FOR KICKS CLOSE HIS DAMN POST.....smg needs to be close range CLOSE RANGE im not gonna feed you anymore pages... |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
523
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:29:00 -
[102] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Quit trying to get my thread locked soldiersaint, your just trying to put a muzzle on the TRUTH. dude your one of those tryhards that think ANY THING WITH A LOCK ON IS FOR NOOBS! not only are you wrong but your just being a jerk.......stop trying to make everything go your way...this thread is a troll thread....there will always be lock on weapons...they are not for noobs...they are for people who want to have fun and use something different from a sucky assault rifle.LOCK THIS DAMN THREAD.ALL THIS GUY IS TRYING TO DO IS GET THE SL NERFED BECAUSE HE DOESNT LIKE IT! HE THINKS EVERY GUN SHOULD BE A POINT AND CLICK WEAPON LIKE COD.....the swarm can not kill soldiers....you have been ignoring me this whole time about that...you have replied not once about that.....thats because all you care about is making things go your way...this thread is going to get locked...ill make sure of it...
I once saw an assault troop pop a Soma with one volley from his swarms, then use the flaylock to kill two scouts before shooting off another volley from his swarms across the map and blapping a DS.
I said to myself "Well, that seems balanced" |
Nack Jicholson
DUST University Ivy League
29
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:29:00 -
[103] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners first you suck at trolling...second the swarm is a lock on weapon.....its supposed to do that. talent....i didnt know that hitting some buttons was considered talent.....i dont care what playstyle you use....in the end its just a game...and playing a game is not talent....go back to your stupid bf3 or cod....in this game anything goes...that includes mopping up the competition with lock on weaponry....and coming soon*tm* guided bombs smart weapons and all that other good stuff that belongs in a game about war.also the swarm cant hurt infantry....everything you just cried about is invalid.
Dude, stop with the ... everywhere. |
Xender17
Intrepidus XI EoN.
350
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:29:00 -
[104] - Quote
SoTa p0p wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Quit trying to get my thread locked soldiersaint, your just trying to put a muzzle on the TRUTH. dude your one of those tryhards that think ANY THING WITH A LOCK ON IS FOR NOOBS! not only are you wrong but your just being a jerk.......stop trying to make everything go your way...this thread is a troll thread....there will always be lock on weapons...they are not for noobs...they are for people who want to have fun and use something different from a sucky assault rifle.LOCK THIS DAMN THREAD.ALL THIS GUY IS TRYING TO DO IS GET THE SL NERFED BECAUSE HE DOESNT LIKE IT! HE THINKS EVERY GUN SHOULD BE A POINT AND CLICK WEAPON LIKE COD.....the swarm can not kill soldiers....you have been ignoring me this whole time about that...you have replied not once about that.....thats because all you care about is making things go your way...this thread is going to get locked...ill make sure of it... A sidearm kills troops correct? Try using a sidearm with your easy mode swarm fit People use a certain sidearm as there primary though.
Swarms aren't the problem... Its FG's they can KO a total of 6600 hp in 3 hits. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
210
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:30:00 -
[105] - Quote
SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners
whereas a dbag in a vehicle who qq's on the forums is pro-mode. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:33:00 -
[106] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:HAVs are easy mode....
...Because they can see over objects from the vantage point of a camera 10 m above the tank itself giving them unparalleled situational awareness. And because even though I can hear the tank, somehow my radar cannot see them until they suprise blaster kill me. And, they have infinite ammo. Ofc I could buy some fancy headphones to play the game, but I'd rather not just yet.
Make all tanks first person view, limit their ammunition, and make them detectable from 50m, and then we can talk.
To shoot at a tank with swarm launchers you must have line of sight on most of the tank. So for a blaster tank, this means you can get a chance to shoot at the swarm launcher.
I think the smart dropship pilots know how do think 3 dimensionally. The better HAV drivers I can tell, because they know how to cover their retreat with vertical barriers. I'm not a HAV pilot, but I think this is why the high-ground is that much more important for them, because if the SL rockets are coming from below them, backing jup just a bit will mean the missiles hit the ground right in front of them. LOL line of sight, you can lock on to it behind rocks, even if the tank is behind rocks as well. You're not a HAV pilot, so you have no idea what you're talking about from both sides of the fence, only one. And you dont use swarm launchers...you can not lock on to people behind cover... LOL I can't tell you how many times people have still locked on through buildings, rocks and walls and I've seen and felt the missiles impact before hitting my tank. This one stupid red dot continued to try to hit me for another full reload of his swarm launcher until he got the message that he couldn't hit me. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
523
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:34:00 -
[107] - Quote
Xender17 wrote: People use a certain sidearm as there primary though.
Swarms aren't the problem... Its FG's they can KO a total of 6600 hp in 3 hits.
FG rounds can't follow you around corners.
I would rather deal with a FG user, even up high than magical invisible swarms that follow me through cover. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2731
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:34:00 -
[108] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Quit trying to get my thread locked soldiersaint, your just trying to put a muzzle on the TRUTH. dude your one of those tryhards that think ANY THING WITH A LOCK ON IS FOR NOOBS! not only are you wrong but your just being a jerk.......stop trying to make everything go your way...this thread is a troll thread....there will always be lock on weapons...they are not for noobs...they are for people who want to have fun and use something different from a sucky assault rifle.LOCK THIS DAMN THREAD.ALL THIS GUY IS TRYING TO DO IS GET THE SL NERFED BECAUSE HE DOESNT LIKE IT! HE THINKS EVERY GUN SHOULD BE A POINT AND CLICK WEAPON LIKE COD.....the swarm can not kill soldiers....you have been ignoring me this whole time about that...you have replied not once about that.....thats because all you care about is making things go your way...this thread is going to get locked...ill make sure of it... A sidearm kills troops correct? Try using a sidearm with your easy mode swarm fit im done with this troll...CCP THIS GUY IS TROLLING I BET HE DOESNT EVEN CARE ABOUT THE SWARM LAUNCHER HES JUST DOING THIS FOR KICKS CLOSE HIS DAMN POST.....smg needs to be close range CLOSE RANGE im not gonna feed you anymore pages... It took you this long to realise? I knew this was a troll as soon as I saw who the OP was. |
Gogo O'Dell
Psygod9 RISE of LEGION
8
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:35:00 -
[109] - Quote
I dont mind getting blown up by a forge from 300 m away bc that takes skill, but when a swarm launcher just locks, makes 180 degree turns, and can track through corners, and still hit and reduce a tank to half HP, then it is OP, as it requires no skill at all. No different than the flaylock. |
Gogo O'Dell
Psygod9 RISE of LEGION
8
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:37:00 -
[110] - Quote
low genius wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners whereas a dbag in a vehicle who qq's on the forums is pro-mode.
lol. just shows how much you know about the forums. Anyone who is anyone knows that SoTa does not use vehicles. This is an infantry guy who says that swarms are easy mode. Because they are. No different than a flaylock. |
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SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
486
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:38:00 -
[111] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:at first I saw this SoTa wanna be and thought, 'fail'
But now we're on page 5 and I couldn't be prouder of you my lil clone <3 you have not givin a single reason thats GOOD for why the swarm launcher needs to be nerfed.....this guy is trolling! lol - what? You're talking to the wrong SoTa. You've been fighting a fake one - I'm the real one.
I use Forge not Swarms - wtf heavy would use or care about swarms |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
524
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:43:00 -
[112] - Quote
SoTa of PoP wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:at first I saw this SoTa wanna be and thought, 'fail'
But now we're on page 5 and I couldn't be prouder of you my lil clone <3 you have not givin a single reason thats GOOD for why the swarm launcher needs to be nerfed.....this guy is trolling! lol - what? You're talking to the wrong SoTa. You've been fighting a fake one - I'm the real one. I use Forge not Swarms - wtf heavy would use or care about swarms
Only the super elite ones with a proto commando suit |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
95
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:43:00 -
[113] - Quote
SoTa p0p wrote:A sidearm kills troops correct? Try using a sidearm with your easy mode swarm fit Sidearms are usually limited compared to light weapons (exception being the flaylock, but not wasting SP when a nerf is imminent), especially at range. Yes, sidearms do kill people, but lights tend to complement that ability better and (most) swarm users are giving that up. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
251
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:44:00 -
[114] - Quote
SoTa of PoP wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:at first I saw this SoTa wanna be and thought, 'fail'
But now we're on page 5 and I couldn't be prouder of you my lil clone <3 you have not givin a single reason thats GOOD for why the swarm launcher needs to be nerfed.....this guy is trolling! lol - what? You're talking to the wrong SoTa. You've been fighting a fake one - I'm the real one. I use Forge not Swarms - wtf heavy would use or care about swarms you guys....your friend needs a kick in the pants.....and as for you damn...just damn.....you must have been laughing your head off.....damn man damn |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
251
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:47:00 -
[115] - Quote
man i wonder whats coming in 1.3 they wont say a word. |
Pandora Mars
Afterlife Overseers
136
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:55:00 -
[116] - Quote
I don't wanna steal Captain Obvious' job, but Swarm launchers are not meant to be a "skilled" weapon.
It's a countermeasure.
It's just something you pick when vehicles are pushing your team hard. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
251
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:58:00 -
[117] - Quote
Pandora Mars wrote:I don't wanna steal Captain Obvious' job, but Swarm launchers are not meant to be a "skilled" weapon.
It's a countermeasure.
It's just something you pick when vehicles are pushing your team hard. hes a troll...it took me forever to figure that out.... just ignore him . remember his name so when he makes other post we can just report him and his post will be closed every time. |
Ninjanomyx
One Who Bears Fangs At GOD
112
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Posted - 2013.07.22 20:05:00 -
[118] - Quote
@ Soldiersaint
Ever heard of "Color Wars" at Camp? Apparently you lack the capability to comprehend anything besides the typical Jarhead Wannabee response of "WAR is DEATH". I suppose the subtlety of the "Espionage" part of "Info Wars" has you baffled to no end. I can assure you that you were a Non-Factor on MGO1, MGO2, MGPO/+ & Peace Walker.....just as you are a Non-Factor on DUST 514. If your "Idea" of "Smashing competitive players into the ground" is what I sense it to be as PUBStomping Chickens, Squirrels & returning Tsuchinokos then I assure you that you are simply a CoDboi playing CoD on Metal Gear, which equivalents you to a Defective Genome Soldier, a PMC Reject, or victim to the "You're Fired" Big Boss MSF Ejection Procedure.
Next time try thinking B4 U Type. This Post was Kojiima approved, KthxBAI :P |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
251
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Posted - 2013.07.22 20:54:00 -
[119] - Quote
Ninjanomyx wrote:@ Soldiersaint
Ever heard of "Color Wars" at Camp? Apparently you lack the capability to comprehend anything besides the typical Jarhead Wannabee response of "WAR is DEATH". I suppose the subtlety of the "Espionage" part of "Info Wars" has you baffled to no end. I can assure you that you were a Non-Factor on MGO1, MGO2, MGPO/+ & Peace Walker.....just as you are a Non-Factor on DUST 514. If your "Idea" of "Smashing competitive players into the ground" is what I sense it to be as PUBStomping Chickens, Squirrels & returning Tsuchinokos then I assure you that you are simply a CoDboi playing CoD on Metal Gear, which equivalents you to a Defective Genome Soldier, a PMC Reject, or victim to the "You're Fired" Big Boss MSF Ejection Procedure.
Next time try thinking B4 U Type. This Post was Kojiima approved, KthxBAI :P right so me being the best at cqc and scanning. is being a reject..i always had the bear emblem or the hornet emblem....you idea that every should fight equally is why i hate this world....this world is not fair...same thing with the video games...also i hate call of duty and bf3 because as we all know.....they are all about fair play.. beating my enemy with fair play is dull...smashing without mercy is way more fun.... also i was always able to cqc and scan dombermen foxes hounds..foxhounds....you know why?because they thought i would fight a battle with limitations...they thought wrong and it usually caused there team to lose...one scan is all it takes to lose a battle..dust 514 is no different...the players may be good but my urge to beat any enemy by any means say otherwise...you say im useless but that is untrue....right now im playing grfs and im one of the best at hacking the enemy...that requires you to get up close just like mgo...the reward? you get to see the whole enemy team . to you im a trash player...to the people i play with however....im that bastard that always gets the competitive players and they love me for it...why dont you play my way for while..and you will see why i enjoy it so much |
SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
5
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:13:00 -
[120] - Quote
SoTa of PoP wrote:at first I saw this SoTa wanna be and thought, 'fail'
But now we're on page 5 and I couldn't be prouder of you my lil clone <3
Hahahaha good to see an imitator show up in my thread |
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SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
6
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:25:00 -
[121] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:Pandora Mars wrote:I don't wanna steal Captain Obvious' job, but Swarm launchers are not meant to be a "skilled" weapon.
It's a countermeasure.
It's just something you pick when vehicles are pushing your team hard. hes a troll...it took me forever to figure that out.... just ignore him . remember his name so when he makes other post we can just report him and his post will be closed every time.
Would you please stop calling me a troll? There has been some serious discussion about swarm launchers OPedness here. Quit interjecting rubbish into my thread, I'll bet your the one trolling me in this thread with your "SoTa oF PoP" alternate account as well, everyone knows that I'm a true forgegunner, and that swarms are the easy way out. All I'm saying is they need to make them lock longer, like 10sec, and not hold a lock around corners. |
Castrated Tanker
lnternal Error.
7
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:37:00 -
[122] - Quote
Lol, SoTa you gots some butthurt fanboys trollin you |
ISuperstar
DIOS X. II Top Men.
171
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:45:00 -
[123] - Quote
CCP Wanted List
SoTa PoP- A Horrible player who gets kicks out of trolling others on a horrible video game. Has been trolling forums since 2011. Player seems to have some Built in immunity to our Ban Hammer. Currently searching for possible weaknesses. |
SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
7
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Posted - 2013.07.23 03:03:00 -
[124] - Quote
ISuperstar wrote:CCP Wanted List
SoTa PoP- A Horrible player who gets kicks out of trolling others on a horrible video game. Has been trolling forums since 2011. Player seems to have some Built in immunity to our Ban Hammer. Currently searching for possible weaknesses. What's a ban hammer? new weapon? |
Killar-12
Intrepidus XI EoN.
279
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Posted - 2013.07.23 03:08:00 -
[125] - Quote
SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners WHAT THE FCK? HAS HE RETUNED? THANK GOODNESS THESE FORUMS WERE GETTING BORING! Uhhh may be increase lock on especially for the militia variant and make the assault variant worthwile with shorter range quicker lock-on |
SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
488
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Posted - 2013.07.23 06:28:00 -
[126] - Quote
My main SoTa PoP has been banned until November. And I would never use a number in my name.
I am going to have to call for another Great SoTa Convention to discuss how we're going to deal with this.
Most likely we'll give him an award for great trolling. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
174
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Posted - 2013.07.23 07:12:00 -
[127] - Quote
Beren Hurin wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners Swap the damage between Swarms and the Plasma Cannon, then give Swarms a major speed boost. That way the Plasma Cannon is an actual threat, and Swarms excel at hitting fast moving targets without being faceroll. Oh, and give the Plasma Cannon better range and less arc so it can actually be used. Are you suggesting making the plasma cannon the old dumbfire swarm launcher but with the single charge? Let the New Age of Terror BEGIN! |
Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet Top Men.
201
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:16:00 -
[128] - Quote
SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners
Psh. Swarm launchers. My Breach Forge says hi. |
SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
11
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Posted - 2013.07.23 10:49:00 -
[129] - Quote
Killar-12 wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners WHAT THE FCK? HAS HE RETUNED? THANK GOODNESS THESE FORUMS WERE GETTING BORING! Uhhh may be increase lock on especially for the militia variant and make the assault variant worthwile with shorter range quicker lock-on
Yes my son, the ban hammer never could hold me down, and free speech will prevail until they silence me again, I also did some more swarm testing yesterday, and think the lock on feature is possible from much too far away, I could sit on buildings and in redlines all day and down numerous dropships and tanks, all while diving into a bucket of wings from KFC, it was easy kill farming, plus I could do it far away from safety. I said it before and I'll say it again, Point, shoot, no talent required. I was also locking on to vehicles from behind cover as well, what a joke. |
BRIANNA BEACH
Pradox One
14
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Posted - 2013.07.23 10:59:00 -
[130] - Quote
What annoys me the most is that someone can sit in their redline next to the snipers and swarm your tank before it's even dropped
How is that even fair to say i lose my 1.5 mill isk tank to someone not contributing to anything but their stats.
I would get it if i was harassing them in their redline (which is rare) but not while im in mine
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Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
710
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:18:00 -
[131] - Quote
The Attorney General wrote: I once saw an assault troop pop a Soma with one volley from his swarms, then use the flaylock to kill two scouts before shooting off another volley from his swarms across the map and blapping a DS.
I said to myself "Well, that seems balanced"
Likely what you saw is a group of swarms hitting the engin block of the tank for 200% damage. The vehicle equivalent of a head shot. This would be a lucky shot, since you canGÇÖt aim a swarm. The Soma operator probably also lacked vehicle tanking skills.
The Flaylock nerf is incoming. CCP are just trying to decide how they are going to do it.
I would need more information than GÇ£blappingGÇ¥ to explain what happened to the Dropship. |
Castrated Tanker
lnternal Error.
9
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:26:00 -
[132] - Quote
I for one would like to request full removal of swarm launchers in dust, they need a complete rework before they can come back to dust, buff the plasma cannon. Forget the swarms. |
SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
11
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:32:00 -
[133] - Quote
SoTa of PoP wrote:My main SoTa PoP has been banned until November. And I would never use a number in my name. I am going to have to call for another Great SoTa Convention to discuss how we're going to deal with this. Most likely we'll give him an award for great trolling.
Your imitation of my greatness is flattering, but in the end you will always be second alternate SoTa. |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
710
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:36:00 -
[134] - Quote
I donGÇÖt think SoTa pOp can really take credit for the success of his Troll post. Without Soldiersaint and his periods of doom, SoTa pOp would be nothing!
I also must apologize for derailing this Troll thread by interjecting intelligent discussion. Parts of this thread have turned into and interesting and considered debate. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
266
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:04:00 -
[135] - Quote
Fox Gaden wrote:I donGÇÖt think SoTa p0p can really take credit for the success of his Troll post. Without Soldiersaint and his periods of doom, SoTa p0p would be nothing!
I also must apologize for derailing this Troll thread by interjecting intelligent discussion. Parts of this thread have turned into and interesting and considered debate. i admit.. i got trolled really bad.and i fell for it....but that wont happen again..my corp mates must be laughing there heads of at me...also the period thing is a really nasty habit that i have on game forums...not just dust |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2645
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:45:00 -
[136] - Quote
Beren Hurin wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners Swarms have always been easy mode. 2.5k damage from a seeker weapon? Yeah, ok. Swap the damage between Swarms and the Plasma Cannon, then give Swarms a major speed boost. That way the Plasma Cannon is an actual threat, and Swarms excel at hitting fast moving targets without being faceroll. Oh, and give the Plasma Cannon better range and less arc so it can actually be used. Are you suggesting making the plasma cannon the old dumbfire swarm launcher but with the single charge? Pretty much, yeah.
That way you have a very high damage Light AV weapon that is still balanced by its firing arc and slow projectile, and Swarms which are great at tagging LAVs and Dropships but which require more than 2 hits to get a kill.
After that, all we need is a proper visible projectile and trail for the Forge Gun, and for the stupid hit indicator to actually show where you were shot from, and we'll have the balance we've always wanted. |
SoTa p0p
lnternal Error.
11
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:29:00 -
[137] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:I donGÇÖt think SoTa p0p can really take credit for the success of his Troll post. Without Soldiersaint and his periods of doom, SoTa p0p would be nothing!
I also must apologize for derailing this Troll thread by interjecting intelligent discussion. Parts of this thread have turned into and interesting and considered debate. i admit.. i got trolled really bad.and i fell for it....but that wont happen again..my corp mates must be laughing there heads of at me...also the period thing is a really nasty habit that i have on game forums...not just dust
Good to see you admit your wrong for trolling me, apology accepted BTW, did you try out that sidearm with your swarm fit? |
Xender17
Intrepidus XI EoN.
360
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Posted - 2013.07.24 01:55:00 -
[138] - Quote
People argue dirty. It doesn't have to be aggressive. Just because someone is targeting a part of something with a correlation to you doesn't mean they are trying to make you cry or talk smack. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
200
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Posted - 2013.07.24 01:56:00 -
[139] - Quote
Dont let them hit anything on the way there... |
Cy Clone1
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
155
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Posted - 2013.07.24 02:00:00 -
[140] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:SoTa p0p wrote:Lock on. Release trigger. No talent. Plus they turn invisible and turn corners first you suck at trolling...second the swarm is a lock on weapon.....its supposed to do that. talent....i didnt know that hitting some buttons was considered talent.....i dont care what playstyle you use....in the end its just a game...and playing a game is not talent....go back to your stupid bf3 or cod....in this game anything goes...that includes mopping up the competition with lock on weaponry....and coming soon*tm* guided bombs smart weapons and all that other good stuff that belongs in a game about war.also the swarm cant hurt infantry....everything you just cried about is invalid.
please tell us more about how its just a game. in a real war or competition sure do what you must, but like you said its just a game so actually play it don't let the swarm do it for you. have fun with it.... nova knifes maybe? plus he wasn't really trolling, its more of a statement. |
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