I tried having a rational discussion with you.... I was right in my initial estimation of your personality type though.... I did however forego my initial judgment and gave you the opportunity to present yourself as a rational human being....how sad for both of us...

The argument that "eventually everything will be balanced" is a more epic fail argument than people supporting it think the FOTM argument is.

If at any point in EVE Online's 10 year history, there had EVER been a point where everything was balanced, there might be a vague hint of the possibility that your argument had the beginnings of the ground it needs to stand on. Maybe enough to perch your big toe on for a second before it collapses under the weight of an expansion a month after that moment of perfect balance.

Even if, by some miracle, CCP get around to balancing everything currently in the game perfectly against the other items, it won't happen until after they've added new weapons and equipment, some of which will be OP and some of which will be in dire need of a buff. All our existing things we see right now will be fine, but there will be at least 3 or 4 items that are flat-out better than everything we have now, and probably a handful more that make the current (now balanced) items look OP in comparison.

Scouts will be awesome and useful, but Pilot suits might have no PG/CPU and expensive modules required to make them useful, meaning you can make your tank a TINY amount stronger, but if you're ever caught without it, cou can barely fit a Sidearm on your suit. And while our Amarr Sentinels and Commando suits will be great, the Caldari models will have Scout levels of armour and not enough shield HP to balance them out, while the Gallente model will only give up 200 shield HP and gain 500 armour or something just so CCP can prove they don't hate armour tankers. Also, the Gallente Commando will have a Heavy and a Light slot and get its Grenades back, but at the cost of the usual Commando bonus of an Equipment slot. HAVs will be balanced really well, and LAVs won't be stupid and broken like they are now, but MTACs will be out, and the game will have turned into Titanfall because none of the other vehicles are remotely competent in comparison. They'll be solo-piloted and have a Heavy vehicle weapon mounted on each arm, they'll be able to run almost as fast as LAVs drive, and will deal extra damage while taking less from collisions with other vehicles, and if you manage to step on an enemy soldier, you'll squash him flat. The new "splat" sound effect will be very satisfying, however.

And even if they manage to get all that new stuff balanced BEFORE releasing anything else, it'll only happen about a week before the next update, with the next OP FOTM item for all to... uhhh... "enjoy"?

If we get to respec, whether purchased or just time-based, there will ALWAYS be a FOTM option to spec into, and there will ALWAYS be people exploiting the respec system to keep themselves on top as much as possible and for as long as possible. It may be that new items are coming out every 6 months, and you only get to respec once a year. That's fine, respec right after the update, after giving yourself time to see what the current most OP item is, and skill into the NEXT-most OP item instead, to give yourself a bit of extra time before you get nerfed into oblivion... and when that happens, stop playing until they re-buff you or you're up for your next respec, then repeat the process.

No, we won't see everyone doing this in public games and in the casual tiers of players, but on a competitive level, a solid majority will ALWAYS be running the most powerful items in EVERY COMPETITIVE MATCH, except when (like Flaylocks) the big names agree not to use an item because it's THAT far beyond the rest of the metagame. When Tac ARs were the top-tier weapon, all the top Corps ran them - not exclusively, but FAR more than every other weapon combined. Back when tanks were OP instead of barely-functional, every major Corp had a solid tank group. Now that LLAVs are the best vehicle in the game, decent LAV drivers are finding it easy to come by Corp offers. If you could quickly look through, work out what's OP (because there will always be something) and skill into it after having spent all your points randomly all over the place for a laugh, that would remove the one aspect where DUST is living up to its promise of lasting consequences.

There are only 3 things that set Dust 514 apart from COD and Battlefield:

Considerably longer grind to unlock content

Planetary conquest

and last (and definitely LEAST) it's "potential". (it's potential may even be debatable considering CCPs track record so far)


Tell me, what are you seeing that i'm not?

Irrelevant reply is irrelevant. What makes you think Dust can survive 10 years? Remember,

it's FREE TO PLAY (so most people will play this game without paying a dime),
and it has a tiny, dwindling, playerbase (F2P titles need high playercounts to be profitable),
It also happens to be competing in a market SATURATED with FPS games. People log on, see it's a **** game, then go back to playing the 100 other shooters that play better than this game.

Please don't let this games potential cloud your judgement. It's fun to daydream about what this game can become one day, but it's more important to snap back to reality and see the game for what it is TODAY. If only to provide good, relevant, feedback.

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

People should stop associating respecs with FOTM-users, you all miss out what's wrong with the game.

The truth is that this game isn't finished yet. CCP is finally picking up on their 'let's fix things and change things u'-game.
Maybe they released this crapbuild so Sony could finally give CCP their freedom to do these quick changes, maybe not...all I know is that this game needs more work and testing untill a decent build of the game is accomplished. Don't feel stupid if they decide to give a respec after that process.

If CCP chooses to give a respect at some point it will be warranted....

it will probably be a few builds down the road and after a major content release.

im guessing around 18 months from now....

and if they do it it would be with the hard core community's blessing because of a major overhaul

not because a logi suit finally works a little closer to as intended....

I was with you until you compared this to COD and battlefield buddy

im not a fanboy I just understand what this game is... you apparently dont

seriously?... cause ill be serious if you don't dismiss my comments out of hand....

im seeing EVE... and yes I play it.... if you don't go do some research.... I realize the integration is a bit off but it is coming ... IT IS COMING... make no mistake.... dust is a hybrid fps, mech, mmo, rpg, in 18 months it wont resemble its current iteration... in 5 years ( and yes the devs said from the jump they have a 5 year development plan) it will be a drastic deviation from what it is now... so yes they could just make it what people expect it to be now, but that's not where they are headed with it which is why it isn't looking like a COD/ battlefield fps... its not because they cant do it... its because that's not their intention... it never was....eventually eve and dust will be a new I.P. called new eden... the devs have said this more or less, accessable from multiple devices in multiple ways.... it will be something completely different from the traditional game model... dust right now is just a demo, a test... we are the rats

Where exactly do you see major shifts in design? What is it that, in your mind, sets it apart? Because I'm not seeing it.

I mean look, it's a tracking shooter instead of a twitch shooter, so that makes it play a bit differently. Besides that, I don't really see any positive changes they've made that makes it fundamentally any different than any other lobby shooter.

You click on the battle, you have your prebuilt loadouts to choose from, you play a casual arcade shooter, rinse, repeat.

Dust 514 doesn't even have interesting maps or modes. It's about as generic as it can possibly be. Team Deathmatch and Node Capture... on 5 maps. Big Whoop.

But, by that definition, any game I list would already be part of "the greats" and thus ineligible for listing.

There are so many great multiplayer FPS games that come out on a regular basis and get much more solid reviews than Dust 514, that it's hard to even know where to start. This is why I find your argument so irritating, your questions and viewpoints make it pretty clear that you don't know much about the genre, or else you wouldn't be asking the questions or making the points you are making in the first place. Your stance seems to be practically self-refuting.