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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.18 22:52:00 -
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I literally just got my cal logi 5, knew this was coming, and don't care....
lesson to the FOTM chasers...
stop chasing
actually learn to play the game and quit depending on your equipment to carry you
then when the nerf bat swings it wont shatter your tiny world.
to all the QQers who want respecs and are threatening to quit... I say quit
you knew the suit was OP and you road the wave with glee. now you have the audacity to complain?Shocked youre pathetic and you drive the overall I.Q. of the player base down.
the nerf isn't that big after all its a LOGI suit not an assault suit and CCP is trying to make it work as intended so shame on you frontliners for trying to exploit their honest mistakes... youre getting what you deserve, and if that drives you to quit then you weren't worth the time of the community anyway and I say good effing riddance.
I love the rest of you
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Skipper Jones
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
446
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Posted - 2013.07.18 22:56:00 -
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Agreed.
It's a shame when people see a small change coming they cry for a respec.
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Protocake JR
Internal Error.
175
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Posted - 2013.07.18 22:56:00 -
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Implying everyone who wants a respec also wants to follow FOTM.
I just want to be able to pay money (support CCP) to be able to respecialize a good portion of my SP into Dropships. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
265
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Posted - 2013.07.18 22:59:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Implying everyone who wants a respec also wants to follow FOTM.
I just want to be able to pay money (support CCP) to be able to respecialize a good portion of my SP into Dropships.
respecs hurt the game.... and im talking specificly about the cal logi atm |
Protocake JR
Internal Error.
176
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Posted - 2013.07.18 22:59:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Implying everyone who wants a respec also wants to follow FOTM.
I just want to be able to pay money (support CCP) to be able to respecialize a good portion of my SP into Dropships. respecs hurt the game.... and im talking specificly about the cal logi atm
How do respecs hurt the game? |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
716
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Posted - 2013.07.18 23:00:00 -
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I want those 16k SP i spent on corporation management.
I won't spend em once I get em back....i just like seeing the large pool of SP i leave unspent grow larger. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
266
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Posted - 2013.07.18 23:27:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Implying everyone who wants a respec also wants to follow FOTM.
I just want to be able to pay money (support CCP) to be able to respecialize a good portion of my SP into Dropships. respecs hurt the game.... and im talking specificly about the cal logi atm How do respecs hurt the game?
because it changes the whole dynamic of the game... instead of having to live with your choices and having those choices matter in a persistant world, dust becomes a sort of Barbie play house where you can change your roles like she can change her clothes. it makes the whole process thoughtless. look at the game now...
EXAMPLE: flaylocks are OP lets all spec into them, no diversity on the field nerf comes, everyone specs into the next fotm nerf comes everyone specs into the next fotm nerf comes etc....if you didn't have to live with that choice and you could just respect at will or for a paltry fee imagine how broken this game would be then...
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Protocake JR
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
180
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Posted - 2013.07.18 23:45:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Implying everyone who wants a respec also wants to follow FOTM.
I just want to be able to pay money (support CCP) to be able to respecialize a good portion of my SP into Dropships. respecs hurt the game.... and im talking specificly about the cal logi atm How do respecs hurt the game? because it changes the whole dynamic of the game... instead of having to live with your choices and having those choices matter in a persistant world, dust becomes a sort of Barbie play house where you can change your roles like she can change her clothes. it makes the whole process thoughtless. look at the game now... EXAMPLE: flaylocks are OP lets all spec into them, no diversity on the field nerf comes, everyone specs into the next fotm nerf comes everyone specs into the next fotm nerf comes etc....if you didn't have to live with that choice and you could just respect at will or for a paltry fee imagine how broken this game would be then...
Choices matter in Dust as much as choices matter in Battlefield and Call of Duty. The only difference is that it takes longer to unlock guns in Dust than in other games. You don't even have OPTIONS in this game! Your choices are to grind SP, grind SP, or uninstall dust 514 (which is what most people did).
If "living with your choices like in real life" makes your ovaries tingle, then maybe you shouldn't buy a respec. No one will force you to buy a respec.
The "FOTM" argument is not sound. All overpowered weapons will eventually be balanced. Read the last two dev blogs; Cal lolgisk LLAVs, and you can also assume the Flaylock will also get a balance pass. So no, not "everyone" will buy a respec to to skill into callogi-flaylock-wielding-llav-drivers. Another good solution to prevent this is to give Respecs a 90 or 180 day cool down timer.
Oh, and this game is already thoughtless. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
266
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Posted - 2013.07.18 23:47:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Implying everyone who wants a respec also wants to follow FOTM.
I just want to be able to pay money (support CCP) to be able to respecialize a good portion of my SP into Dropships. respecs hurt the game.... and im talking specificly about the cal logi atm How do respecs hurt the game? because it changes the whole dynamic of the game... instead of having to live with your choices and having those choices matter in a persistant world, dust becomes a sort of Barbie play house where you can change your roles like she can change her clothes. it makes the whole process thoughtless. look at the game now... EXAMPLE: flaylocks are OP lets all spec into them, no diversity on the field nerf comes, everyone specs into the next fotm nerf comes everyone specs into the next fotm nerf comes etc....if you didn't have to live with that choice and you could just respect at will or for a paltry fee imagine how broken this game would be then... Choices matter in Dust as much as choices matter in Battlefield and Call of Duty. The only difference is that it takes longer to unlock guns in Dust than in other games. You don't even have OPTIONS in this game! Your choices are to grind SP, grind SP, or uninstall dust 514 (which is what most people did). If "living with your choices like in real life" makes your ovaries tingle, then maybe you shouldn't buy a respec. No one will force you to buy a respec. The "FOTM" argument is not sound. All overpowered weapons will eventually be balanced. Read the last two dev blogs; Cal lolgisk LLAVs, and you can also assume the Flaylock will also get a balance pass. So no, not "everyone" will buy a respec to to skill into callogi-flaylock-wielding-llav-drivers. Another good solution to prevent this is to give Respecs a 90 or 180 day cool down timer. Oh, and this game is already thoughtless. the moment you compared this to COD and battlefield you proved youre one of the idiots who need to quit...
the door is that way
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WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
467
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:13:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Implying everyone who wants a respec also wants to follow FOTM.
I just want to be able to pay money (support CCP) to be able to respecialize a good portion of my SP into Dropships. respecs hurt the game.... and im talking specificly about the cal logi atm How do respecs hurt the game? because it changes the whole dynamic of the game... instead of having to live with your choices and having those choices matter in a persistant world, dust becomes a sort of Barbie play house where you can change your roles like she can change her clothes. it makes the whole process thoughtless. look at the game now... EXAMPLE: flaylocks are OP lets all spec into them, no diversity on the field nerf comes, everyone specs into the next fotm nerf comes everyone specs into the next fotm nerf comes etc....if you didn't have to live with that choice and you could just respect at will or for a paltry fee imagine how broken this game would be then...
I don't understand why people are calling Dust a persistent world when that vision is not yet put on practice. Choices don't matter in Dust in it's current state.
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EternalRMG
Eir Gaming
413
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:14:00 -
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i just want a respec to spec into DerpShips again |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
269
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:15:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Implying everyone who wants a respec also wants to follow FOTM.
I just want to be able to pay money (support CCP) to be able to respecialize a good portion of my SP into Dropships. respecs hurt the game.... and im talking specificly about the cal logi atm How do respecs hurt the game? because it changes the whole dynamic of the game... instead of having to live with your choices and having those choices matter in a persistant world, dust becomes a sort of Barbie play house where you can change your roles like she can change her clothes. it makes the whole process thoughtless. look at the game now... EXAMPLE: flaylocks are OP lets all spec into them, no diversity on the field nerf comes, everyone specs into the next fotm nerf comes everyone specs into the next fotm nerf comes etc....if you didn't have to live with that choice and you could just respect at will or for a paltry fee imagine how broken this game would be then... I don't understand why people are calling Dust a persistent world when that vision is not yet put on practice. Choices don't matter in Dust in it's current state.
it doesn't matter to a meaningful degree yet... true... but does that mean we should just break the game till it does? |
Protocake JR
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
182
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:38:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:the moment you compared this to COD and battlefield you proved youre one of the idiots who need to quit... the door is that way
The moment you completely missed the point of my previous post shows that you need to improve your reading comprehension and that you are a fanboy who is so in-love with the idea and potential of this game that you are blind to how the game actually is and plays. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
269
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:40:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:the moment you compared this to COD and battlefield you proved youre one of the idiots who need to quit... the door is that way The moment you completely missed the point of my previous post shows that you need to improve your reading comprehension and that you are a fanboy who is so in-love with the idea and potential of this game that you are blind to how the game actually is and plays.
I was with you until you compared this to COD and battlefield buddy
im not a fanboy I just understand what this game is... you apparently dont |
Protocake JR
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
182
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:52:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:the moment you compared this to COD and battlefield you proved youre one of the idiots who need to quit... the door is that way The moment you completely missed the point of my previous post shows that you need to improve your reading comprehension and that you are a fanboy who is so in-love with the idea and potential of this game that you are blind to how the game actually is and plays. I was with you until you compared this to COD and battlefield buddy im not a fanboy I just understand what this game is... you apparently dont
There are only 3 things that set Dust 514 apart from COD and Battlefield:
Considerably longer grind to unlock content
Planetary conquest
and last (and definitely LEAST) it's "potential". (it's potential may even be debatable considering CCPs track record so far)
Tell me, what are you seeing that i'm not? |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
270
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:59:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:the moment you compared this to COD and battlefield you proved youre one of the idiots who need to quit... the door is that way The moment you completely missed the point of my previous post shows that you need to improve your reading comprehension and that you are a fanboy who is so in-love with the idea and potential of this game that you are blind to how the game actually is and plays. I was with you until you compared this to COD and battlefield buddy im not a fanboy I just understand what this game is... you apparently dont There are only 3 things that set Dust 514 apart from COD and Battlefield: Considerably longer grind to unlock content Planetary conquest and last (and definitely LEAST) it's "potential". (it's potential may even be debatable considering CCPs track record so far) Tell me, what are you seeing that i'm not?
seriously?... cause ill be serious if you don't dismiss my comments out of hand....
im seeing EVE... and yes I play it.... if you don't go do some research.... I realize the integration is a bit off but it is coming ... IT IS COMING... make no mistake.... dust is a hybrid fps, mech, mmo, rpg, in 18 months it wont resemble its current iteration... in 5 years ( and yes the devs said from the jump they have a 5 year development plan) it will be a drastic deviation from what it is now... so yes they could just make it what people expect it to be now, but that's not where they are headed with it which is why it isn't looking like a COD/ battlefield fps... its not because they cant do it... its because that's not their intention... it never was....eventually eve and dust will be a new I.P. called new eden... the devs have said this more or less, accessable from multiple devices in multiple ways.... it will be something completely different from the traditional game model... dust right now is just a demo, a test... we are the rats |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
326
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:07:00 -
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Bravo! Bravo! I request an encore once more! |
Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
331
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:18:00 -
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Recpes aren't just about flavors of the month.
When I decided to invest in a logi suit I spent well over a week sitting on my SP comparing the pros and cons of every racial suit at every level.
Based on the information provided and the cost analysis I decided that my goal would be running advanced suits over prototype suits and my ideas racial would be Minmatar because it effectively balanced high, low and equipment slots.
Now suddenly Amarr advancved logi suits, already with their 3 high and low slots, get their sidearm and a third equipment slot with nothing lost. All the analysis that lead me to picking and wasting SP on Minmatar go down the drain and I get to suck it up start all over in a new racial tree. |
Xender17
Intrepidus XI EoN.
341
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:20:00 -
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why are you so butt hurt man? |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
326
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:22:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:Recpes aren't just about flavors of the month.
When I decided to invest in a logi suit I spent well over a week sitting on my SP comparing the pros and cons of every racial suit at every level.
Based on the information provided and the cost analysis I decided that my goal would be running advanced suits over prototype suits and my ideas racial would be Minmatar because it effectively balanced high, low and equipment slots.
Now suddenly Amarr advancved logi suits, already with their 3 high and low slots, get their sidearm and a third equipment slot with nothing lost. All the analysis that lead me to picking and wasting SP on Minmatar go down the drain and I get to suck it up start all over in a new racial tree.
Ok...
So you deal with it. Yea you "analyzed" but the rules change. Why should CCP give you a respec because what you analyzed is useless now.
So analyze again...whats hard? Push the bar from your chest...c'mon |
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
270
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:24:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:Recpes aren't just about flavors of the month.
When I decided to invest in a logi suit I spent well over a week sitting on my SP comparing the pros and cons of every racial suit at every level.
Based on the information provided and the cost analysis I decided that my goal would be running advanced suits over prototype suits and my ideas racial would be Minmatar because it effectively balanced high, low and equipment slots.
Now suddenly Amarr advancved logi suits, already with their 3 high and low slots, get their sidearm and a third equipment slot with nothing lost. All the analysis that lead me to picking and wasting SP on Minmatar go down the drain and I get to suck it up start all over in a new racial tree.
I have 13 mil sp and I run all bp fits still... I realize everyone doesn't have the real$$ to spend to get bps but you don't need proto or adv gear to be viable....
I run a dren shot gun a dren logi and the only thing I pay for are 2 sets of remote explosives std and adv.... my suit is under 9k....
my KDR without trying is 1.3....
my point run cheaper suits and suck it up
skill over gear |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
270
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:26:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:why are you so butt hurt man?
because I keep sticking things up there that don't belong there.....like brushes and cucumbers.... |
Protocake JR
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
182
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:34:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Bravo! Bravo! I request an encore once more!
The show isn't over yet.
@seymor
I know where dust is supposed to be headed. I've been playing this game listening to CCPs marketing for a year and 5 months. So I believe, if CCPs vision is realized, that all the decisions and consequences will be much more than just SP. But as it stands currently, SP is all we have. It's not enough to hold together a decent player base. So many people have already quit, and many more are burned out and thinking about quitting.
SP respecs is a viable short term solution for people who are bored with this game and have a little money to spend. Give it a cool down timer so it's not abused, make only available until CCP introduces PVE, improved FW, Goals/missions to accomplish, markets to play, social spaces to gather, and most importantly introduce all racial weapons/suits/vehicles. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
270
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:37:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Bravo! Bravo! I request an encore once more! The show isn't over yet. @seymor I know where dust is supposed to be headed. I've been playing this game listening to CCPs marketing for a year and 5 months. So I believe, if CCPs vision is realized, that all the decisions and consequences will be much more than just SP. But as it stands currently, SP is all we have. It's not enough to hold together a decent player base. So many people have already quit, and many more are burned out and thinking about quitting. SP respecs is a viable short term solution for people who are bored with this game and have a little money to spend. Give it a cool down timer so it's not abused, make only available until CCP introduces PVE, improved FW, Goals/missions to achieve, markets to play, social spaces to gather, and most importantly introduce all racial weapons/suits/vehicles.
my reply...patients and CCP doesn't care who stays and who goes at this point.... because rats in a lab test are supposed to die.... |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
58
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:46:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote: my reply...patients and CCP doesn't care who stays and who goes at this point.... because rats in a lab test are supposed to die....
Yeah, the problem start when you killed all the rat's and you dont have the cure... |
Aleksander Black
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:46:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:I literally just got my cal logi 5, knew this was coming, and don't care.... ... the nerf isn't that big after all its a LOGI suit not an assault suit and CCP is trying to make it work as intended so shame on you frontliners for trying to exploit their honest mistakes... youre getting what you deserve, and if that drives you to quit then you weren't worth the time of the community anyway and I say good effing riddance.
I love the rest of you
This. I don't get why the hell some people think they deserve a respec when they train to use a suit supposed to fill a support role, use it as an assault and then the suit is changed to actually do what it is supposed to do. I mean, wtf dude, it is named "Logistics Suit", if you want to fill an assault role go look at the "Assault Suit". Or at least don't complain because the logi suits are being changed to do what they're supposed to do in the first place. wtf. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
271
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:48:00 -
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Jastad wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote: my reply...patients and CCP doesn't care who stays and who goes at this point.... because rats in a lab test are supposed to die.... Yeah, the problem start when you killed all the rat's and you dont have the cure...
but they do have the cure.... you just haven't named the right disease |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
421
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:49:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:Agreed.
It's a shame when people see a small change coming they cry for a respec.
Agreed. I just specced into CAL Logi myself. And don't give a damn, bonuses ftw. |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
58
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:49:00 -
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Aleksander Black wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:I literally just got my cal logi 5, knew this was coming, and don't care.... ... the nerf isn't that big after all its a LOGI suit not an assault suit and CCP is trying to make it work as intended so shame on you frontliners for trying to exploit their honest mistakes... youre getting what you deserve, and if that drives you to quit then you weren't worth the time of the community anyway and I say good effing riddance.
I love the rest of you This. I don't get why the hell some people think they deserve a respec when they train to use a suit supposed to fill a support role, use it as an assault and then the suit is changed to actually do what it is supposed to do. I mean, wtf dude, it is named "Logistics Suit", if you want to fill an assault role go look at the "Assault Suit". Or at least don't complain because the logi suits are being changed to do what they're supposed to do in the first place. wtf.
respec is not only that.
i want a respec so i can go from Amar logi (suit buffed) to amar commando. Hell i have a better KDR with my amar logi but you know, i found the commando more fun.
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
273
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:51:00 -
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Jastad wrote:Aleksander Black wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:I literally just got my cal logi 5, knew this was coming, and don't care.... ... the nerf isn't that big after all its a LOGI suit not an assault suit and CCP is trying to make it work as intended so shame on you frontliners for trying to exploit their honest mistakes... youre getting what you deserve, and if that drives you to quit then you weren't worth the time of the community anyway and I say good effing riddance.
I love the rest of you This. I don't get why the hell some people think they deserve a respec when they train to use a suit supposed to fill a support role, use it as an assault and then the suit is changed to actually do what it is supposed to do. I mean, wtf dude, it is named "Logistics Suit", if you want to fill an assault role go look at the "Assault Suit". Or at least don't complain because the logi suits are being changed to do what they're supposed to do in the first place. wtf. respec is not only that. i want a respec so i can go from Amar logi (suit buffed) to amar commando. Hell i have a better KDR with my amar logi but you know, i found the commando more fun.
just spend the time to earn the sp..... |
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