Implying everyone who wants a respec also wants to follow FOTM.

I just want to be able to pay money (support CCP) to be able to respecialize a good portion of my SP into Dropships.

How do respecs hurt the game?

Choices matter in Dust as much as choices matter in Battlefield and Call of Duty. The only difference is that it takes longer to unlock guns in Dust than in other games. You don't even have OPTIONS in this game! Your choices are to grind SP, grind SP, or uninstall dust 514 (which is what most people did).

If "living with your choices like in real life" makes your ovaries tingle, then maybe you shouldn't buy a respec. No one will force you to buy a respec.

The "FOTM" argument is not sound. All overpowered weapons will eventually be balanced. Read the last two dev blogs; Cal lolgisk LLAVs, and you can also assume the Flaylock will also get a balance pass. So no, not "everyone" will buy a respec to to skill into callogi-flaylock-wielding-llav-drivers. Another good solution to prevent this is to give Respecs a 90 or 180 day cool down timer.

Oh, and this game is already thoughtless.

I don't understand why people are calling Dust a persistent world when that vision is not yet put on practice. Choices don't matter in Dust in it's current state.

The moment you completely missed the point of my previous post shows that you need to improve your reading comprehension and that you are a fanboy who is so in-love with the idea and potential of this game that you are blind to how the game actually is and plays.

There are only 3 things that set Dust 514 apart from COD and Battlefield:

Considerably longer grind to unlock content

Planetary conquest

and last (and definitely LEAST) it's "potential". (it's potential may even be debatable considering CCPs track record so far)


Tell me, what are you seeing that i'm not?

Recpes aren't just about flavors of the month.

When I decided to invest in a logi suit I spent well over a week sitting on my SP comparing the pros and cons of every racial suit at every level.

Based on the information provided and the cost analysis I decided that my goal would be running advanced suits over prototype suits and my ideas racial would be Minmatar because it effectively balanced high, low and equipment slots.

Now suddenly Amarr advancved logi suits, already with their 3 high and low slots, get their sidearm and a third equipment slot with nothing lost. All the analysis that lead me to picking and wasting SP on Minmatar go down the drain and I get to suck it up start all over in a new racial tree.

why are you so butt hurt man?

The show isn't over yet.


@seymor

I know where dust is supposed to be headed. I've been playing this game listening to CCPs marketing for a year and 5 months. So I believe, if CCPs vision is realized, that all the decisions and consequences will be much more than just SP. But as it stands currently, SP is all we have. It's not enough to hold together a decent player base. So many people have already quit, and many more are burned out and thinking about quitting.

SP respecs is a viable short term solution for people who are bored with this game and have a little money to spend. Give it a cool down timer so it's not abused, make only available until CCP introduces PVE, improved FW, Goals/missions to achieve, markets to play, social spaces to gather, and most importantly introduce all racial weapons/suits/vehicles.

Yeah, the problem start when you killed all the rat's and you dont have the cure...

respec is not only that.

i want a respec so i can go from Amar logi (suit buffed) to amar commando. Hell i have a better KDR with my amar logi but you know, i found the commando more fun.

Seriously? Someone running bps is telling people to run cheaper suits?

How about you put down the credit card and play the game like all of the normal people that don't feel the need to dish out cash to lord over other players, then come back and talk.

Not demanding respec but have a serious question:

What will warrant a respec? We are changing slot layout, changing available PG/CPU, and racial bonuses. To what extent must things change?

The Cal Logi got a deserved nerf but the Amarr Logi a really nice buff. Going off the information we had you may have foresaw a change but to what extent?

CCP provides the information, all we can do is go off that but also we are expected to guess at the nerf/buff?

Yeah, and thats is right when your " live with your choice" fail, simply because it's only a matter of time till i have both, so i need to do choice, but with the right time choice dosent matter.

You think the people using the flylock used the respecc for it? they simply put 500.000 sp on it. when the fly will be nerfed, they simply fall back to their original weapon and wait to find another OP weapon.

So,right now, choice dosent matter, if you have time. and with SP passive system, time is not a problem

The problem is that Dust isn't EVE. Dust is an FPS and for gain SP you need to KILL the enemy and win the match.

In Eve if they nerd your ship you can do PVM till you have enough SP to skill another. In Dust you cant. If you can't Kill or win match you quit the game,
If many people quit the game, the game simply die.

We are talking not for Cal.Logi respec, but for respec in general

This game is extremely similar to CoD and Battlefield... or at least as similar to each as they are to one another.

There's nothing revolutionary or new going on in Dust 514. It's an average, casual, low player count, lobby shooter.

No, right now, Dust is an FPS based on EVE Univers.

Seeing ship in the sky is not Dust=EVE

and i belive in this game, i bought aurum and elite pack just to support CCP and their vision. But i also think a respec is necessary for an FPS.

The argument that "eventually everything will be balanced" is a more epic fail argument than people supporting it think the FOTM argument is.

If at any point in EVE Online's 10 year history, there had EVER been a point where everything was balanced, there might be a vague hint of the possibility that your argument had the beginnings of the ground it needs to stand on. Maybe enough to perch your big toe on for a second before it collapses under the weight of an expansion a month after that moment of perfect balance.

Even if, by some miracle, CCP get around to balancing everything currently in the game perfectly against the other items, it won't happen until after they've added new weapons and equipment, some of which will be OP and some of which will be in dire need of a buff. All our existing things we see right now will be fine, but there will be at least 3 or 4 items that are flat-out better than everything we have now, and probably a handful more that make the current (now balanced) items look OP in comparison.

Scouts will be awesome and useful, but Pilot suits might have no PG/CPU and expensive modules required to make them useful, meaning you can make your tank a TINY amount stronger, but if you're ever caught without it, cou can barely fit a Sidearm on your suit. And while our Amarr Sentinels and Commando suits will be great, the Caldari models will have Scout levels of armour and not enough shield HP to balance them out, while the Gallente model will only give up 200 shield HP and gain 500 armour or something just so CCP can prove they don't hate armour tankers. Also, the Gallente Commando will have a Heavy and a Light slot and get its Grenades back, but at the cost of the usual Commando bonus of an Equipment slot. HAVs will be balanced really well, and LAVs won't be stupid and broken like they are now, but MTACs will be out, and the game will have turned into Titanfall because none of the other vehicles are remotely competent in comparison. They'll be solo-piloted and have a Heavy vehicle weapon mounted on each arm, they'll be able to run almost as fast as LAVs drive, and will deal extra damage while taking less from collisions with other vehicles, and if you manage to step on an enemy soldier, you'll squash him flat. The new "splat" sound effect will be very satisfying, however.

And even if they manage to get all that new stuff balanced BEFORE releasing anything else, it'll only happen about a week before the next update, with the next OP FOTM item for all to... uhhh... "enjoy"?

If we get to respec, whether purchased or just time-based, there will ALWAYS be a FOTM option to spec into, and there will ALWAYS be people exploiting the respec system to keep themselves on top as much as possible and for as long as possible. It may be that new items are coming out every 6 months, and you only get to respec once a year. That's fine, respec right after the update, after giving yourself time to see what the current most OP item is, and skill into the NEXT-most OP item instead, to give yourself a bit of extra time before you get nerfed into oblivion... and when that happens, stop playing until they re-buff you or you're up for your next respec, then repeat the process.

No, we won't see everyone doing this in public games and in the casual tiers of players, but on a competitive level, a solid majority will ALWAYS be running the most powerful items in EVERY COMPETITIVE MATCH, except when (like Flaylocks) the big names agree not to use an item because it's THAT far beyond the rest of the metagame. When Tac ARs were the top-tier weapon, all the top Corps ran them - not exclusively, but FAR more than every other weapon combined. Back when tanks were OP instead of barely-functional, every major Corp had a solid tank group. Now that LLAVs are the best vehicle in the game, decent LAV drivers are finding it easy to come by Corp offers. If you could quickly look through, work out what's OP (because there will always be something) and skill into it after having spent all your points randomly all over the place for a laugh, that would remove the one aspect where DUST is living up to its promise of lasting consequences.

Go ask all MAG player, where the people on the forum say "Go leave, we dont need you)" then all player leave and the game become crap.

Oh, I know how the rest of this will play out!

Protocake JR: *insert rebuttal; re-explaining why it is just a crap lobby shooter and why CCP does need us*

Seymor Krelborn: *regurgitate marketing talking points; daydream about what this game will be like in 30 years; call everyone a CODFAG and tell them to leave*

Then the PS4 comes out, we actually do leave, and Seymor Krelborn is left to play with 300 12 year olds and Evetards (the entire worldwide playerbase).

>Disagree with Seymor
>No longer a rational human being
>wat

The difference between you and I, is that you are willing cast aside a large portion of the (tiny) playerbase just on the principle of honoring what this game "might" become,

where as I, being a realist, see that honoring the games EVE mentality at it's current state is far more harmful to it's success than (temporarily) giving in and actually making this game slightly more fun to play.

People should stop associating respecs with FOTM-users, you all miss out what's wrong with the game.

The truth is that this game isn't finished yet. CCP is finally picking up on their 'let's fix things and change things u'-game.
Maybe they released this crapbuild so Sony could finally give CCP their freedom to do these quick changes, maybe not...all I know is that this game needs more work and testing untill a decent build of the game is accomplished. Don't feel stupid if they decide to give a respec after that process.

This sounds like you think I'm saying this based on the upcoming Caldari Logi changes.....I think you misinterpretted me big-time if that's the case.

Alright, honest question, no trolling...

From somebody with about 5 mil SP.

No Proto gear.

No Cal Logi suit.

No Core Flaylock.

First ... all of this stuff about how your choices matter in New Eden, and about how important those SP are, and about how everyone needs to HTFU ... it's all kind of ridiculous, especially considering that this is a video game. I mean ... really. It's a video game.

But more than that ... how could resepcs be such a terrible idea? I'm saying this from a player's perspective, not as a member of the FOTM crowd. How can somebody sit down and compare the suits, the weapons, the gear, and make any kind of informed decision when the ground can shift so quickly under your feet? Everyone wants to sell the grind, but why grind when you really can't even be sure that what you're grinding for is going to be there when you are? Or worse, that it'll end up significantly changed a week after you bought it? Why waste the time? Why ever spend your precious SP? On anything..?

Again ... I'm not trolling. For the most part, I'm happy with what I've spent SP on. And I have no Cal Logi buddies that I am taking up the fight for. I'm just sort of perplexed by all this overreaction to the very mention of a respec.

If you don't think this game is extremely similar to CoD and Battlefield, then you probably haven't played CoD or Battlefield... and you clearly aren't very knowledgeable in regards to FPS.

Dust 514 is clearly very similar to both. It's a casual lobby shooter, plain and simple. Anything more that you're daydreaming about is just that, a daydream.



You can't build a game with rainbows and good intentions, and that's all they've got right now. Every developer would love to make the game CCP daydreams about making, but until they actually make that game we're stuck with Dust 514. Other developers are simply more experienced, and have a better understanding of what can and can't be done on a PS3. Do you really think CCP are the first company to have this pipedream? I don't. I think they're the first company to make such huge promises that clearly can't be kept.

What they've actually built, is a low player count, unbalanced, low-diversity, casual, lobby shooter. That's the reality. I'll agree that what they say they'd like to do sounds awesome, but it doesn't even vaguely resemble the actual game they have delivered.

Get your head out of the clouds and try giving a critical look to what they've actually delivered, not the pie in the sky that they talk about in interviews.


p.s. I highly recommend losing all of the ellipses.

But, by that definition, any game I list would already be part of "the greats" and thus ineligible for listing.

There are so many great multiplayer FPS games that come out on a regular basis and get much more solid reviews than Dust 514, that it's hard to even know where to start. This is why I find your argument so irritating, your questions and viewpoints make it pretty clear that you don't know much about the genre, or else you wouldn't be asking the questions or making the points you are making in the first place. Your stance seems to be practically self-refuting.