I have 13 mil sp and I run all bp fits still... I realize everyone doesn't have the real$$ to spend to get bps but you don't need proto or adv gear to be viable....

I run a dren shot gun a dren logi and the only thing I pay for are 2 sets of remote explosives std and adv.... my suit is under 9k....

my KDR without trying is 1.3....

my point run cheaper suits and suck it up

skill over gear

There are only 3 things that set Dust 514 apart from COD and Battlefield:

Considerably longer grind to unlock content

Planetary conquest

and last (and definitely LEAST) it's "potential". (it's potential may even be debatable considering CCPs track record so far)


Tell me, what are you seeing that i'm not?

Seriously? Someone running bps is telling people to run cheaper suits?

How about you put down the credit card and play the game like all of the normal people that don't feel the need to dish out cash to lord over other players, then come back and talk.

Not demanding respec but have a serious question:

What will warrant a respec? We are changing slot layout, changing available PG/CPU, and racial bonuses. To what extent must things change?

The Cal Logi got a deserved nerf but the Amarr Logi a really nice buff. Going off the information we had you may have foresaw a change but to what extent?

CCP provides the information, all we can do is go off that but also we are expected to guess at the nerf/buff?

just spend the time to earn the sp.....

Yeah, and thats is right when your " live with your choice" fail, simply because it's only a matter of time till i have both, so i need to do choice, but with the right time choice dosent matter.

You think the people using the flylock used the respecc for it? they simply put 500.000 sp on it. when the fly will be nerfed, they simply fall back to their original weapon and wait to find another OP weapon.

So,right now, choice dosent matter, if you have time. and with SP passive system, time is not a problem

Cuts

Their 10 year track record with EVE, the game is good. It has its problems but what game doesn't? Their track record shows that they do listen to feedback, they do try to balance in a way that makes things interesting, they do learn from their mistakes and they do try to do what is best for the game. I think their record is pretty good.

but think about this... why did they choose the flaylock?

because they new how easymode it was.... pure and simple that was their choice... and if they did their research they would know the consequence of that choice is that anerf will eventually come... so my argument is still valid im afraid

The problem is that Dust isn't EVE. Dust is an FPS and for gain SP you need to KILL the enemy and win the match.

In Eve if they nerd your ship you can do PVM till you have enough SP to skill another. In Dust you cant. If you can't Kill or win match you quit the game,
If many people quit the game, the game simply die.

We are talking not for Cal.Logi respec, but for respec in general

I was with you until you compared this to COD and battlefield buddy

im not a fanboy I just understand what this game is... you apparently dont

This game is extremely similar to CoD and Battlefield... or at least as similar to each as they are to one another.

There's nothing revolutionary or new going on in Dust 514. It's an average, casual, low player count, lobby shooter.

Let me read EULA... dust514.com/eula/

Ah that's right:


=

I literally just got my cal logi 5, knew this was coming, and don't care....

lesson to the FOTM chasers...

stop chasing

actually learn to play the game and quit depending on your equipment to carry you

then when the nerf bat swings it wont shatter your tiny world.

to all the QQers who want respecs and are threatening to quit... I say quit

you knew the suit was OP and you road the wave with glee. now you have the audacity to complain?
youre pathetic and you drive the overall I.Q. of the player base down.

the nerf isn't that big after all its a LOGI suit not an assault suit and CCP is trying to make it work as intended so shame on you frontliners for trying to exploit their honest mistakes... youre getting what you deserve, and if that drives you to quit then you weren't worth the time of the community anyway and I say good effing riddance.

I love the rest of you

im afraid you are wrong again dust is part of eve... it is not just an fps and if you read my post at the bottom of page 1 you would understand this

There are only 3 things that set Dust 514 apart from COD and Battlefield:

Considerably longer grind to unlock content

Planetary conquest

and last (and definitely LEAST) it's "potential". (it's potential may even be debatable considering CCPs track record so far)


Tell me, what are you seeing that i'm not?

just remember guys... for all of you who don't get it... think this is just a crap lobby shooter... we don't need you so quit

CCP doesn't care I don't care and the hardcore community doesn't care...

your tears have been a wonderful meal

No, right now, Dust is an FPS based on EVE Univers.

Seeing ship in the sky is not Dust=EVE

and i belive in this game, i bought aurum and elite pack just to support CCP and their vision. But i also think a respec is necessary for an FPS.

CUT

The argument that "eventually everything will be balanced" is a more epic fail argument than people supporting it think the FOTM argument is.

If at any point in EVE Online's 10 year history, there had EVER been a point where everything was balanced, there might be a vague hint of the possibility that your argument had the beginnings of the ground it needs to stand on. Maybe enough to perch your big toe on for a second before it collapses under the weight of an expansion a month after that moment of perfect balance.

Even if, by some miracle, CCP get around to balancing everything currently in the game perfectly against the other items, it won't happen until after they've added new weapons and equipment, some of which will be OP and some of which will be in dire need of a buff. All our existing things we see right now will be fine, but there will be at least 3 or 4 items that are flat-out better than everything we have now, and probably a handful more that make the current (now balanced) items look OP in comparison.

Scouts will be awesome and useful, but Pilot suits might have no PG/CPU and expensive modules required to make them useful, meaning you can make your tank a TINY amount stronger, but if you're ever caught without it, cou can barely fit a Sidearm on your suit. And while our Amarr Sentinels and Commando suits will be great, the Caldari models will have Scout levels of armour and not enough shield HP to balance them out, while the Gallente model will only give up 200 shield HP and gain 500 armour or something just so CCP can prove they don't hate armour tankers. Also, the Gallente Commando will have a Heavy and a Light slot and get its Grenades back, but at the cost of the usual Commando bonus of an Equipment slot. HAVs will be balanced really well, and LAVs won't be stupid and broken like they are now, but MTACs will be out, and the game will have turned into Titanfall because none of the other vehicles are remotely competent in comparison. They'll be solo-piloted and have a Heavy vehicle weapon mounted on each arm, they'll be able to run almost as fast as LAVs drive, and will deal extra damage while taking less from collisions with other vehicles, and if you manage to step on an enemy soldier, you'll squash him flat. The new "splat" sound effect will be very satisfying, however.

And even if they manage to get all that new stuff balanced BEFORE releasing anything else, it'll only happen about a week before the next update, with the next OP FOTM item for all to... uhhh... "enjoy"?

If we get to respec, whether purchased or just time-based, there will ALWAYS be a FOTM option to spec into, and there will ALWAYS be people exploiting the respec system to keep themselves on top as much as possible and for as long as possible. It may be that new items are coming out every 6 months, and you only get to respec once a year. That's fine, respec right after the update, after giving yourself time to see what the current most OP item is, and skill into the NEXT-most OP item instead, to give yourself a bit of extra time before you get nerfed into oblivion... and when that happens, stop playing until they re-buff you or you're up for your next respec, then repeat the process.

No, we won't see everyone doing this in public games and in the casual tiers of players, but on a competitive level, a solid majority will ALWAYS be running the most powerful items in EVERY COMPETITIVE MATCH, except when (like Flaylocks) the big names agree not to use an item because it's THAT far beyond the rest of the metagame. When Tac ARs were the top-tier weapon, all the top Corps ran them - not exclusively, but FAR more than every other weapon combined. Back when tanks were OP instead of barely-functional, every major Corp had a solid tank group. Now that LLAVs are the best vehicle in the game, decent LAV drivers are finding it easy to come by Corp offers. If you could quickly look through, work out what's OP (because there will always be something) and skill into it after having spent all your points randomly all over the place for a laugh, that would remove the one aspect where DUST is living up to its promise of lasting consequences.

just remember guys... for all of you who don't get it... think this is just a crap lobby shooter... we don't need you so quit

CCP doesn't care I don't care and the hardcore community doesn't care...

your tears have been a wonderful meal

Go ask all MAG player, where the people on the forum say "Go leave, we dont need you)" then all player leave and the game become crap.

you had to latch on to that to feel superior huh?..... shame on you.... not the fact I have 13 mil sp? cal logi 5?.... youre sad...

Oh, I know how the rest of this will play out!

Protocake JR: *insert rebuttal; re-explaining why it is just a crap lobby shooter and why CCP does need us*

Seymor Krelborn: *regurgitate marketing talking points; daydream about what this game will be like in 30 years; call everyone a CODFAG and tell them to leave*

Then the PS4 comes out, we actually do leave, and Seymor Krelborn is left to play with 300 12 year olds and Evetards (the entire worldwide playerbase).

I literally just got my cal logi 5, knew this was coming, and don't care....

lesson to the FOTM chasers...

stop chasing

actually learn to play the game and quit depending on your equipment to carry you

then when the nerf bat swings it wont shatter your tiny world.

to all the QQers who want respecs and are threatening to quit... I say quit

you knew the suit was OP and you road the wave with glee. now you have the audacity to complain?
youre pathetic and you drive the overall I.Q. of the player base down.

the nerf isn't that big after all its a LOGI suit not an assault suit and CCP is trying to make it work as intended so shame on you frontliners for trying to exploit their honest mistakes... youre getting what you deserve, and if that drives you to quit then you weren't worth the time of the community anyway and I say good effing riddance.

I love the rest of you

Go ask all MAG player, where the people on the forum say "Go leave, we dont need you)" then all player leave and the game become crap.