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Baal Roo
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Posted - 2013.07.19 02:14:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:the moment you compared this to COD and battlefield you proved youre one of the idiots who need to quit... the door is that way  The moment you completely missed the point of my previous post shows that you need to improve your reading comprehension and that you are a fanboy who is so in-love with the idea and potential of this game that you are blind to how the game actually is and plays. I was with you until you compared this to COD and battlefield buddy im not a fanboy I just understand what this game is... you apparently dont 
This game is extremely similar to CoD and Battlefield... or at least as similar to each as they are to one another.
There's nothing revolutionary or new going on in Dust 514. It's an average, casual, low player count, lobby shooter. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:40:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:I was with you until you compared this to COD and battlefield buddy im not a fanboy I just understand what this game is... you apparently dont
If you don't think this game is extremely similar to CoD and Battlefield, then you probably haven't played CoD or Battlefield... and you clearly aren't very knowledgeable in regards to FPS.
Dust 514 is clearly very similar to both. It's a casual lobby shooter, plain and simple. Anything more that you're daydreaming about is just that, a daydream.
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seriously?... cause ill be serious if you don't dismiss my comments out of hand....
im seeing EVE... and yes I play it.... if you don't go do some research.... I realize the integration is a bit off but it is coming ... IT IS COMING... make no mistake.... dust is a hybrid fps, mech, mmo, rpg, in 18 months it wont resemble its current iteration... in 5 years ( and yes the devs said from the jump they have a 5 year development plan) it will be a drastic deviation from what it is now... so yes they could just make it what people expect it to be now, but that's not where they are headed with it which is why it isn't looking like a COD/ battlefield fps... its not because they cant do it... its because that's not their intention... it never was....eventually eve and dust will be a new I.P. called new eden... the devs have said this more or less, accessable from multiple devices in multiple ways.... it will be something completely different from the traditional game model... dust right now is just a demo, a test... we are the rats
You can't build a game with rainbows and good intentions, and that's all they've got right now. Every developer would love to make the game CCP daydreams about making, but until someone actually makes that game, we're stuck with Dust 514.
I'm of the opinion that other developers are simply more experienced, and have a better understanding of what can and can't be done on a PS3. Do you really think CCP are the first company to have this pipedream? I don't. I think they're the first company to make such huge promises that clearly can't be kept.
What they've actually built, is a low player count, unbalanced, low-diversity, casual, lobby shooter. That's the reality. I'll agree that what they say they'd like to do sounds awesome, but it doesn't even vaguely resemble the actual game they have delivered.
Get your head out of the clouds and try giving a critical look to what they've actually delivered, not the pie in the sky that they talk about in interviews.
p.s. I highly recommend losing all of the ellipses. The aren't doing your arguments any favors. |
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:to your last part 1st... read my reply to this post here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=95599&p=2and you will see my head isn't in the clouds I have played many of the iterations of COD...I have not played battlefield but I have watched multiple youtube vids of it... and of COD for that matter... and no im not saying that's the same as playing... not by a long shot but I do have familiarity with them...and other than the fact that they are in the 1st person and that they are shooters I don't personally think they share much in common
Where exactly do you see major shifts in design? What is it that, in your mind, sets it apart? Because I'm not seeing it.
I mean look, it's a tracking shooter instead of a twitch shooter, so that makes it play a bit differently. Besides that, I don't really see any positive changes they've made that makes it fundamentally any different than any other lobby shooter.
You click on the battle, you have your prebuilt loadouts to choose from, you play a casual arcade shooter, rinse, repeat.
Dust 514 doesn't even have interesting maps or modes. It's about as generic as it can possibly be. Team Deathmatch and Node Capture... on 5 maps. Big Whoop.
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I think some of the weapons are similar and some of the roles are similar but they deviate greatly in how those roles are shaped
and if you remember COD 1 it has nothing on MW3 that's over 10 years of game development right there so my head is not in the clouds with DUST... dust deserves the same time
No. Just no. Videogames are judged based on how they play NOW. I don't care about the circumstances. Either the game is good, or it's not. You happen to be a CCP fanboy, so you give them a free pass for now to make a bad game, but the average player doesn't care. The average player doesn't have any special interest in CCP. CCP isn't "special" and most of us hold them to the same standard as any other company.
Imagine if this game was being made by some other developer that you've never heard of. IMO, that's how you should look at the game when deciding how you feel about it. You're allowing your CCP fanboism to jade your view of what they have and haven't accomplished.
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a challenge for you...
name a 1st class FPS that just came out that isn't part of a franchise that is effing awesome when compared with the greats...
I'm not really sure there are any (depending on what you mean by "just came out." Nor am I sure what you consider to be the "greats."
As far as multiplayer FPS games that have released in the last few years that are better than Dust 514?
Blacklight: Retribution
Counter Strike: Global Offensive
Hawken
MAG
... this is silly, I'm stopping here.
This doesn't even take into account all of the games that will be coming out in the next year or two (like Titanfall or Destiny).
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Baal Roo
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Posted - 2013.07.20 00:12:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Where exactly do you see major shifts in design? What is it that, in your mind, sets it apart? Because I'm not seeing it.
I mean look, it's a tracking shooter instead of a twitch shooter, so that makes it play a bit differently. Besides that, I don't really see any positive changes they've made that makes it fundamentally any different than any other lobby shooter.
You click on the battle, you have your prebuilt loadouts to choose from, you play a casual arcade shooter, rinse, repeat.
Dust 514 doesn't even have interesting maps or modes. It's about as generic as it can possibly be. Team Deathmatch and Node Capture... on 5 maps. Big Whoop. well the complex skill tree for one and the integration into the EVE universe for another.... I agree though for now its not much else but eve wasn't what it was when it 1st came out either .....
Complexity for the sake of complexity is not in and of itself innovative. The reality of the "skill tree" is that it's all based around tried and true upgrades, "perks," and class systems. It's just all gussied up and placed behind an SP wall that makes it feel as if it has a depth that doesn't really exist. The end result is not really any different than the class/character set up screens of just about any other FPS out there... just in CCP's trademark obfuscated design UI and piecemealed out over months and months of playtime instead of days or weeks.
Quote:you didn't read my other post in that other thread if you think im a fanboy... but yes I am a fan of what CCP has done so far with eve and what they are trying to do with dust.... personally im giving them 18 months from now to deliver on the general structure of what they promised at that point if its still like this im out as well to be honest because fan or not I can only take so much and im not ecstactic with what we have now... but im far from the "dust is dead" crowd and te "this isn't eve its dust" crowd.... those people don't see the big picture... whether or not CCP can paint that picture remains to be seen... I agree
Fair enough "fanboy" may have been harsh, but if it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck...
Quote:by the greats I meant games that in the harsh judgment of public opinion stand up to COD battlefield and HALO
But, by that definition, any game I list would already be part of "the greats" and thus ineligible for listing.
There are so many great multiplayer FPS games that come out on a regular basis and get much more solid reviews than Dust 514, that it's hard to even know where to start. This is why I find your argument so irritating, your questions and viewpoints make it pretty clear that you don't know much about the genre, or else you wouldn't be asking the questions or making the points you are making in the first place. Your stance seems to be practically self-refuting. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 02:18:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Baal Roo wrote:But, by that definition, any game I list would already be part of "the greats" and thus ineligible for listing.
There are so many great multiplayer FPS games that come out on a regular basis and get much more solid reviews than Dust 514, that it's hard to even know where to start. This is why I find your argument so irritating, your questions and viewpoints make it pretty clear that you don't know much about the genre, or else you wouldn't be asking the questions or making the points you are making in the first place. Your stance seems to be practically self-refuting. I never meant to give the impression im some hardcore FPS vet.... im not.... im a hard core gamer... I know what I like and I have a good grasp on the scope of gaming and its history.... im no self proclaimed expert or anything.... YOU however keep trying to pigeonhole this game as an FPS and that's what im refuting at the moment... its not just an FPS... it is right now very FPS like and not much else but if CCP delivers on dust the way it has with EVE it will not just be an FPS and will resemble less and less COD/battlefield 18 months from now and beyond and the foundation for those differences are here already.... you call that fanboy head in the clouds BS... I would say you are right if people like you had not said the same thing about EVE 10 years ago and got proven wrong.... I believe they can deliver again.... that doesn't make me a fanboy anymore for CCP than it does for my favorite restaurant everytime I order food and expect to get good food... and like I said before if CCP effs this up .... with ps4 and destiny and elderscrolls online and dark souls 2 and so many other great games coming.... I will move on...im just not willing to write them off prematurely.
I think it's silly to judge or categorize a game based on things the developer says they will do in a few years. It just doesn't make any sense.
A lot can happen in 18 months, just look at where CCP said we would be by now, vs where we actually are. At the rate they are going, anything they say is 18 months down the line is probably more realistically 5 years down the line. |
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