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Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:02:00 -
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As a LAV BPO user, I rejoice! People should stop always carrying AV grenades around, making my murder taxi-ing more effective for now!
As an AV dude, I'm saddened :-( now there will be less AV targets for me to pop...
Not sure which one I'm more, happy or sad... |
Reaper Skordeman
The Reaper Crew PMC
5
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:11:00 -
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negative49er wrote:so skills for the saga ll now ok now i going to need a isk refund i bought over 600.
You brought them for 15,000 ISK a Unit.
That's a 9,000,000 ISK Refund.
Alternatively, keep them until we eventually get a Players Market and Sell them for their Retail Price.
65,000 ISK x 600 = 39,000,000 ISK. |
Naedeus
DUST University
Ivy League
85
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:33:00 -
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Now as far as vehicles are concerned... the LLAV needs to have it's shields and armor stripped to a third or half of what it currently is, or make the vehicle itself slower for how 'heavy' it is. |
Poonmunch
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
110
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:55:00 -
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"This is likely to be a fairly substantial overhaul so once weGÇÖre in a position to do so weGÇÖll make sure you all get a good look at them and weGÇÖll attempt to address any concerns before finalizing the update."
The Calls For Respec Timer is now running ...
Munch |
Artemis Kaiba
Shadow Broker Wet Squad
12
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Posted - 2013.07.18 19:40:00 -
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The idea of MLT LAV BPOs removal is a good idea as it promotes more consideration when calling for one but I don't see where it can be seen as a "fix", even partial, to the killer taxi issue... They were no threat as they can easily be destroyed, the real problem are the Logi LAV which are incredibly resistant and fast (for STD, I can't imagine what PRO will look like in the future).
I also have some concern about the Saga BPOs that can be bought through veteran and elite pack. This may now be considered as a huge advantage (as they are now the only LAV BPOs available) and may be qualified as "pay to win" LAVs... |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
3408
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Posted - 2013.07.18 19:54:00 -
[126] - Quote
Well, so much for the free murder taxis. |
GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:00:00 -
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GTA-V FTW wrote:GTA-V FTW wrote:GTA-V FTW wrote:Soooo how much do these "Not Free" LAV's cost? So then these new "Not Free" LAV's cost 27,000 ISK? Yes / No Anyone? Buller, Buller............................................ Buller...................................
Buller............................... |
Ambiuris Zinum
EL Azteca Empire
Amenaza Inminente
11
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:19:00 -
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Not happay at all. No more fun. Player will still call LAVs. It's just fun to run people over. And a lot of us like to see that happen. As a professional forge gunner. Now I will make player us up ISK. I myself will still call for murder taxis. Stop your crying little girls. First Lazer rifles, then tanks, then LAVs, now forgeguns (witch I think it was tweaked because all this week I have not bel able to get any kills with the forgegun not nice CCP) will you not make players that us this things happpy ? |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
85
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:23:00 -
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Akurabis wrote:Quote:
I dont know what crack you have been smoking, but I have lost many a Charbdyis. Indestructible my ass.
The issue with all LAV`s is they do too much damage at such low speeds. I'm sure its expected you die if you get hit at full speed, but like 5-10 mph? No that should barely damage you.
You're the one bringing up the rock, tweeks. The issue was that free lavs caused disruption to game experience (disproportionate pop-bags). If you get hit by even half a ton of weight at even 5mph, you are going down, and you are getting crushed.
The insult wasnt needed - my bad. However I disagree.
Free LAV`s in my opinion needed to go to pre buff hp levels. I dont ever recall us having this problem before CCP buffed LAV hitpoints.
As for logistics LAV`s I think a bigger issue is they are not rewarding / helpful enough to provide real logistics. So instead people take to 'murder taxi-in' around.
As for the collisions, even humans in real life bounce and survive (And yes sometimes go down) with larger speed impacts than 5-10 mph. Please also bare in mind that we are all in shielded and armoured suits. Especially heavy suits - they must weigh like half a ton by themselves. I'm not saying make people invincible to low speed hits, but it shouldn't be as binary as it is now. [It seems to be hit = death regardless of speed] |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
85
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:26:00 -
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Naedeus wrote:Now as far as vehicles are concerned... the LLAV needs to have it's shields and armor stripped to a third or half of what it currently is, or make the vehicle itself slower for how 'heavy' it is.
I would prefer smaller changes to hit points and larger changes to its acceleration and top speed,
(This would have the added benefit of making scout LAV`s a viable option - come on when do you ever see the blue taxis? I have used them a handful of times) - as well as making them able to stick around to provide logistics to mercs and vehicles. |
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Another Heavy SOB
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
EoN.
410
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:52:00 -
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WeapondigitX V7 wrote:Another Heavy SOB wrote:It's a step in the right direction however simply removing or reducing the massive 60% HP buff would have been far more appropriate, and could have been done long ago.
As has been mentioned this does not address LLAVs, hopefully the improved impact physics in 1.4 will. I posted how to kill those LLAVs on page 2. However you do need about 2 million SP to do it. (need certain skills)
Yea sorry bud but that might work on some noob LLAV driver with militia modules a no skill in real modules. Just try that against a fully skilled 51% shield damage resist, 3000 shield HP LLAV and see how well that works out for you.
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XxGhazbaranxX
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
129
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Posted - 2013.07.18 21:00:00 -
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Those militia lab where cute on my kill feed with proxy explosives. The change does not address the LLAV issue though. The speed of these should be lowered just as logi drop suits which have less speed than their assault variants. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
841
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Posted - 2013.07.18 21:31:00 -
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I used my final Baloch to hack a few things and then drove through a squad crossing a road. I only managed to kill one guy but in guilt I jumped out to die under gunfire like a real man.
Farewell, little Baloch. |
Poonmunch
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
110
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Posted - 2013.07.18 21:37:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:I used my final Baloch to hack a few things and then drove through a squad crossing a road. I only managed to kill one guy but in guilt I jumped out to die under gunfire like a real man.
Farewell, little Baloch.
The way of the samurai ...
I commend you, sir.
Munch
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hooc order
Deep Space Republic
Top Men.
713
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Posted - 2013.07.18 21:39:00 -
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The Turret on the free LAVs were a great anti LAV weapon. You can shoot out the driver with ease.
By removing the free LAVs you made the nearly indestructible LLAVs even more powerful.
Also players who run around in the open with 10 million SP and proto suits have open range.
Stupid move CCP, but at this point stupid moves by CCP are the standard.
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2013.07.18 21:40:00 -
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GTA-V FTW wrote:Also we will be seeing a ton of peeps recalling LAV's as well.
when I spawn I will just call in 5 Blood Raider sagas for the troops
on another note this is good for real tankers, LLavs, & dropship pilots
when they go to call in their vehicles it wont say denied team quota reached already |
Silas Swakhammer
GamersForChrist
Orion Empire
59
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Posted - 2013.07.18 21:50:00 -
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Wow, this was a stupid move. |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
188
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Posted - 2013.07.18 22:22:00 -
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I assume this does not remove the Veteran and Elite pack LAV BPO's? That would be pretty unfair for those that dished out real life $$$ for their rides. |
Croned
C0NTRA UNIT
344
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Posted - 2013.07.18 23:33:00 -
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What is it with CCP and listening to the whining noobs? Anyone that had ever used a militia swarm launcher or forge gun on a militia LAV would have realized not only how weak those LAVs were, but also how beneficial they were to AVers (people literally never recalled them and just abandoned them). Now logi LAVs are still on the rise, and CCP says they've "fixed the murder taxi issue". The ironic part is that the logis are the ones that actually look like taxis! You know what the worst part is? I'm not even close to being the first person to say this. I've seen this said a countless number of times in the countless number of LAV complaint threads. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
617
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Posted - 2013.07.18 23:50:00 -
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Croned wrote:What is it with CCP and listening to the whining noobs? Anyone that had ever used a militia swarm launcher or forge gun on a militia LAV would have realized not only how weak those LAVs were, but also how beneficial they were to AVers (people literally never recalled them and just abandoned them). Now logi LAVs are still on the rise, and CCP says they've "fixed the murder taxi issue". The ironic part is that the logis are the ones that actually look like taxis! You know what the worst part is? I'm not even close to being the first person to say this. I've seen this said a countless number of times in the countless number of LAV complaint threads.
Still plenty of LAV's around... just not the ones that kids likes to use because they are free. Also people are not going in Killing sprees now, because they have more to lose. In fact .. was lovely to day, nice intense battles without pesky LAV's.
Maybe CCP should listen to "whining vets" a bit more often. |
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Croned
C0NTRA UNIT
345
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:16:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Croned wrote:What is it with CCP and listening to the whining noobs? Anyone that had ever used a militia swarm launcher or forge gun on a militia LAV would have realized not only how weak those LAVs were, but also how beneficial they were to AVers (people literally never recalled them and just abandoned them). Now logi LAVs are still on the rise, and CCP says they've "fixed the murder taxi issue". The ironic part is that the logis are the ones that actually look like taxis! You know what the worst part is? I'm not even close to being the first person to say this. I've seen this said a countless number of times in the countless number of LAV complaint threads. Still plenty of LAV's around... just not the ones that kids likes to use because they are free. Also people are not going in Killing sprees now, because they have more to lose. In fact .. was lovely to day, nice intense battles without pesky LAV's. Maybe CCP should listen to "whining vets" a bit more often.
I still saw plenty of murder taxi-ing happening today. In fact, I hadn't even checked the forums today until I made my previous post, and I hadn't noticed any difference at all untill I spawned a militia LAV. Anybody who thinks this is making a difference is just... wrong. The funniest things about all of this are 1) The real issue of logi LAVs is still prevalent, and 2) CCP didn't even fix the "apparent issue" of militia LAV murder taxi-ing. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1508
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:24:00 -
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maybe BPOs should have a limited use like, per day, or per week? ? :P haha *runs away* |
Richard Hansaw
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:45:00 -
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I applaud this. Now I see more players sharing (AKA: letting people into their cars), hacking and recalling LAVs Not to mention now that you have to buy the things people bother to put some modules on them, which makes things way more interesting.
Now, I'd would've rather had the Saga-II lose the turret but keep the extra CPU, I mean, it IS supposed to be superior than the normal Saga, right? And please, give us a better Methana. Perhaps start selling the CreoDron Methana (Or similar) at the same price + skill requirements? |
RINON114
B.S.A.A.
General Tso's Alliance
291
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:24:00 -
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Maybe fix the charybdis? Aka the biggest problem... |
Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
293
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Posted - 2013.07.19 02:40:00 -
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RINON114 wrote:Maybe fix the charybdis? Aka the biggest problem...
Sorry, didn't mean to sound like a jerk, my match was starting :)
Fantastic fix to a terrible problem, I just had a great match because I didn't know about these changes which forced me to adapt. Now I will think more carefully about when to call down an LAV, before I would use them as a distraction but now they cost more than my basic dropsuit, I may have to change my tactics!
For all the good work I hope there is more to come, because the Charybdis is a very big problem, it's harder to kill than most tanks! My fix for this would be to make the Charybdis slower, about 10% faster than a tank so you can actually hit it, and so that it does what it's supposed to: fix tanks.
Give us WPs for doing logi work and we might stop the murder taxiing |
KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD
Covert Intervention
542
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:58:00 -
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Gage Bouren wrote:This seems like a good idea ! But if you devs put on another module on the saga that makes it indestructible again then you're only reducing the problem and you did that on purpose -_- Not to mention the free LAVs are only a portion of the problem.
The much larger, but ignored by Devs, problem is the Logistics LAVs. They are very expensive but they are nearly impossible to kill. Unless the driver makes a mistake or an enemy gunner gets a lucky shot on their empty brain bucket. The worst I have been against went 24/0 and did indeed take significant damage but never, ever lost the vehicle. If it cost 1M ISK than it was a good buy. In particular if it last for several games. Considering the onslaught of counter-LAV rounds that did not disable it the odds on making more than the cost of the Murder Taxi are very high. This is probably one of the worst examples of unbalanced game play I have ever seen.
Remove WP for vehicle kills.
Come on Devs, you removed all WP for fixing vehicles and installations.
The code is right in front of you.
Your friends will rejoice.
Just login now.
Yes, Yes just like that.
Or you can use his login or even his computer when he is out for tea.
Bring up the module and add one more test
if weapon == LAV then WP = 0.
See? That wasn't so hard.
Now commit the change and bask in the glory of fixing a stupid design.
(Dev Love)++
(CCP/Shanghai Hate)--
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KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD
Covert Intervention
542
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Posted - 2013.07.19 04:02:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:RINON114 wrote:Maybe fix the charybdis? Aka the biggest problem...
Sorry, didn't mean to sound like a jerk, my match was starting :)
Fantastic fix to a terrible problem, I just had a great match because I didn't know about these changes which forced me to adapt. Now I will think more carefully about when to call down an LAV, before I would use them as a distraction but now they cost more than my basic dropsuit, I may have to change my tactics!
For all the good work I hope there is more to come, because the Charybdis is a very big problem, it's harder to kill than most tanks! My fix for this would be to make the Charybdis slower, about 10% faster than a tank so you can actually hit it, and so that it does what it's supposed to: fix tanks. Give us WPs for doing logi work and we might stop the murder taxiing BS. Total and pure I must admit.
WP for vehicle and installation repair was the original massive exploit. It was removed and should stay removed.
I would only advocate its returns if the overworked code could track all attacks and only allow miniscule WP (10% of Merc healing) that was done by Reds. You obviously weren't here in the Beta. Entire squads would drive LAVs into installations and two Logis would jump out and top the leader boards by repairing them. Rinse and repeat forever. It sucked.
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Pseudogenesis
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
60
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Posted - 2013.07.19 04:17:00 -
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tfw no free LAVs ;-; I loved having them for transport. How much is the least expensive LAV then? |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
870
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Posted - 2013.07.19 04:21:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:ladwar wrote:Sylvana Nightwind wrote:ladwar wrote:there is still other BPOs lav out there... Yes. But they are less common than those freakin' Baloch craps. plus the free ones weren't really what people were mad it, it was the LLAVs which had no change to. so meh. the saga-II is further proof ccp hate caldari HAVs, make a gunnlogi II then because it make sense and have as advanced for a slighter higher price that comes with turrets giving an overall cheaper price. It's really just The Caldari LLAV that's near impossible to kill. The Limbus is hard to take out but it's not indestructible like the C.LLAV. Think about it. The shields already has a 30% resistance against explosives by default. Add on to that with a built in 30% for the LLAV and you have a god mode vehicle. One time my corp mates killed the driver from one so I threw three C-7 fluxes at the stagnate vehicle and then three remote explosives underneath it and it STILL had some shields left. All of this while my mates are shooting it with small arms fire, a HMG and a basic missile launcher turret. That's just crazy. P.S. With extremely rough math a Wikimoryi (or whatever the hell that is) Swarm Launcher would only do around 737.5 damage if the person decided to equip at least ONE basic resistant amplifier. I wouldn't have an issue with this if they had an AV weapon primarily for shields but that's not in the game yet. I dont know what crack you have been smoking, but I have lost many a Charbdyis. Indestructible my ass. The issue with all LAV`s is they do too much damage at such low speeds. I'm sure its expected you die if you get hit at full speed, but like 5-10 mph? No that should barely damage you.
I must have been sniffing oxygen because that's the only way I could have seen something as ridiculous as that. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
League of Infamy
1509
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Posted - 2013.07.19 05:35:00 -
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Pseudogenesis wrote:tfw no free LAVs ;-; I loved having them for transport. How much is the least expensive LAV then?
Don't forget you can recall them before they blow up : ) |
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