I want one now. I'll gladly give you my money for a respec CCP. I have +10 million SP, there's no reason for me to buy boosters because I have a full class and weapon at max, and also a vehicle. I want a change of role, but for that I have to play the game for another 3 months to get the full class to max level (suit and weapon). I can't play this game anymore because I'm bored of my class. I don't feel like AFK farming either.

The option to buy respecs is necessary for high SP players who want to change class and keep having fun with the game without crippling themselves with inferior gear and months of grind for a new class. It doesn't matter if they use it for FOTM, doesn't matter if they made mistakes, doesn't matter if they have to live with the consequences. Consequences of what? Suck at the game? Get bored of doing the same thing over and over again?

If Dust was a true MMO where every decision you made was important then I would say no to respecs. Especially if they're were going to be used to abuse game mechanics or whatever. But right now they won't affect anything game-wise, only player experience and boredom.

-XOXO.

I vote no. Live by your choices skilling.

Respecs only favors FOTM/FOTW/OP crap.

/c

I want one now. I'll gladly give you my money for a respec CCP. I have +10 million SP, there's no reason for me to buy boosters because I have a full class and weapon at max, and also a vehicle. I want a change of role, but for that I have to play the game for another 3 months to get the full class to max level (suit and weapon). I can't play this game anymore because I'm bored of my class. I don't feel like AFK farming either.

The option to buy respecs is necessary for high SP players who want to change class and keep having fun with the game without crippling themselves with inferior gear and months of grind for a new class. It doesn't matter if they use it for FOTM, doesn't matter if they made mistakes, doesn't matter if they have to live with the consequences. Consequences of what? Suck at the game? Get bored of doing the same thing over and over again?

If Dust was a true MMO where every decision you made was important then I would say no to respecs. Especially if they're were going to be used to abuse game mechanics or whatever. But right now they won't affect anything game-wise, only player experience and boredom.

-XOXO.

why wont you just create another character with different weapons and suits. that's the point of 3 character slots

NO DIS IS WELCOME TO NEW EDEN HAS TO LIVE BY YOUR CONSEQUENCES CAUSE CHOICES MATTER U NEED TO NOT CALL OF DUTY FOTM CCP NEEDS YOU TO BUY BOOSTER FOR 7 MORE YEARS BECAUSE THIS GAME IS SO DEEP AND SO COMPLEX

But seriously. We don't have all the content. Your choices do not matter. After 10-15 mill SP, people get burned out and stop buying boosters. SP respects can keep this pieces of **** game feeling fresh after playing it for so long. There is always ways to make Respecs work.

FOTM? Provide better feedback and keep pressure and the incompetent developers. Make respecs have 90 day cooldown timers.

Choices matter? No they don't, fanboy. This is a simple minded FPS on console. Not your srs bznys internet spaceship play pen. Choices only matter for the top 1% of the 1%. The GREATER majority of players could not care less about your lolchoices.

NO DIS IS WELCOME TO NEW EDEN HAS TO LIVE BY YOUR CONSEQUENCES CAUSE CHOICES MATTER U NEED TO NOT CALL OF DUTY FOTM CCP NEEDS YOU TO BUY BOOSTER FOR 7 MORE YEARS BECAUSE THIS GAME IS SO DEEP AND SO COMPLEX

But seriously. We don't have all the content. Your choices do not matter. After 10-15 mill SP, people get burned out and stop buying boosters. SP respects can keep this pieces of **** game feeling fresh after playing it for so long. There is always ways to make Respecs work.

FOTM? Provide better feedback and keep pressure and the incompetent developers. Make respecs have 90 day cooldown timers.

Choices matter? No they don't, fanboy. This is a simple minded FPS on console. Not your srs bznys internet spaceship play pen. Choices only matter for the top 1% of the 1%. The GREATER majority of players could not care less about your lolchoices.

Always amazes me to see how up in arms people get against this idea

Please tell me how can my choice of being a fatty and have a proto HMG affects the game at all? Do I get chocolates for achieving those? Not even that. Only months of boredom and grind until you get your precious desired new class. How do the FOTM affects you in anyway? Can't be gud enough to kill them? I don't care about FOTM. I just want to use my laser rifle, now. I'd pay.

-XOXO

I vote no. Live by your choices skilling.

Respecs only favors FOTM/FOTW/OP crap.

/c

Couldn't agree more.

Your mercs strengths, and weaknesses are a direct result of your choice. This choice is a core aspect to this universe, and influences your path through it.

Couldn't agree more.

Your mercs strengths, and weaknesses are a direct result of your choice. This choice is a core aspect to this universe, and influences your path through it.

If you let people respec then it no longer matters. People will respect to whatever is OP/FOTM. If you think things like the Tac AR or flaylock are bad now, imagine how bad it would be if 90% of the population respec'd into them?

I agree to $50 respecs. $20 is too cheap.

If you want a respec that bad, it's gonna need to set ya back a bit.

Having FOTM stuff in a game and being worried that people will keep speccing into it is the most rediculous argument out there. You're really saying:

"the developer is incompetent, especially at balancing, and keeps changing stuff in erratic ways that are so profound that occationally we get stuff that outclasses all, we need to limit the flexibility for all lpayers to keep this at a bare minimum"

Yes I'd gladly be a part of the "live with your consequenses" when they have most of the core content released, like racial suits and primary weapons, not stuff like jets and such. And it doesn't help that they keep radically changing the performance of weapons and stuff in general.

As long as I can't make intelligent decisions based on availability and correect numbers, why should I be forced to live with the consequenses?

But please keep it up, all you EVEtard fanboys, keep slapping the holy mantras of Adapt or die and HTFU, all the way to the point where the puny playerbase gets even smaller, one day you'll be left all to your self and you won't be stomped by the proper FPS players anymore.

Now its come to a point where needing to "Adapt or Die" is best used to describe the current state of Dust.

Couldn't agree more.

Your mercs strengths, and weaknesses are a direct result of your choice. This choice is a core aspect to this universe, and influences your path through it.

If you let people respec then it no longer matters. People will respect to whatever is OP/FOTM. If you think things like the Tac AR or flaylock are bad now, imagine how bad it would be if 90% of the population respec'd into them?

This is a perfect example of a fanboy who takes this game too seriously.

I mean, maybe in 5 years when this game has enough content and stuff to do, it would be okay to have this mentality. I would love to believe that my merc is walking his own path towards glory and fame. But i'm not going to drink the CCP koolaid marketing diarrhea.

We don't have near enough content to justify thinking this way.

All we have is a repetitive lobby shooter that takes MONTHS just to "mostly" specialize in. A repetitive lobby shooter that suffers performance issues, suffers developers who have no idea how to make a fun FPS and most all, suffers a long grind spanning several years just to unlock content.

Give us respecs, if only until we get enough content to keep us from getting burned out .

I want one now. I'll gladly give you my money for a respec CCP. I have +10 million SP, there's no reason for me to buy boosters because I have a full class and weapon at max, and also a vehicle. I want a change of role, but for that I have to play the game for another 3 months to get the full class to max level (suit and weapon). I can't play this game anymore because I'm bored of my class. I don't feel like AFK farming either.

The option to buy respecs is necessary for high SP players who want to change class and keep having fun with the game without crippling themselves with inferior gear and months of grind for a new class. It doesn't matter if they use it for FOTM, doesn't matter if they made mistakes, doesn't matter if they have to live with the consequences. Consequences of what? Suck at the game? Get bored of doing the same thing over and over again?

If Dust was a true MMO where every decision you made was important then I would say no to respecs. Especially if they're were going to be used to abuse game mechanics or whatever. But right now they won't affect anything game-wise, only player experience and boredom.

-XOXO.

How is that different to buying your way to 10mil SP? If the "grind" is so horrible, then it affects everybody, not just experienced players. If all you need to have fun is being able to play a new class, what's stopping you from playing it already just with lower skills?

No paid respecs on the general principle that this game still isn't "complete." It's like buying "DLC" for a Capcom game, even though the content is on a disc you already paid for.

Its always good fun to see under aged children trying to play a grownup's game. Eve/dust just happen to be one of those grownup's game, and just like real life the choices u make are permanent.
Now i know its a hard concept to grasp for some adults let alone for 12 year old, but if u cant understand it then plz don't try to **** it up for the ppl who do get it. This goes for weapons, vehicles, respecs, basically everything.
Crying coz u were to dumb to think what u really would want in the game should not be our problem and sure as hell should not be changed. Crying coz CCP balanced something and now ur not running the FOTM WHO GIVES A **** GO BACK TO COD!!! Crying coz LAV'S run over ur FOTM suit well LOOK BOTH WAYS BEFORE CROSSING THE FRIGGING ROAD.

u guys made choices just learn to live with ur own stupidity. Furthermore for all NON EVE players out there YES this is a adept or gtfo universe, NO this is not call of duty or battlefield, YES eve life will be verry hard for u all, and YES CCP is doing a great job to really make this into something worth while. So now alot of ppl will go rage and keep crying about FOTM or not being able to get a frigging respect to join the FOTM-train, or what a terrible job CCP is doing, but i say F U ALL go back to COD and plz don't infest the beautiful universe of New Eden with ur stinking corpses.

Every1 knows that dust is a part of EVE, and u all signed up for it, i'd say if u dont like it or cant stand the heat then GTFO of the kitchen.

Oh yeah and for a change CCP really keep up the good work, stop listening to these cry babies who only want nerfs/respecs, or other non important bullshit. U guys have a great game and ppl just have to realize that its not done overnight.
For all those who think dust is broken and CCP constantly fucks up i have one question ... Where are you're achievements in creating games??? any1 outside CCP who made a mmo on pc for 10 years now and connected it to a console fps ???? Any1 else even made a game ??? prove me wrong or just go back to ur pathetic COD.

For evey1 who is having fun, who do make the effort to go for that second role, keep up the good work and someday we will be rid of those cry babies ! ! ! !

viper

Always amazes me to see how up in arms people get against this idea

I totally agree with him, everyone plays their own role on the battlefield and what you specced into was your decision. if you want to be something else then make another character or keep getting more sp on your main otherwise GTFO.

Just remember, every one of you respec-begging turdburgers is directly and personally responsible for everyone who was AR5 specced for TACs now being Flaylock5 specced for Core FLs.

Most who are against paid respec's are forum warriors, but same ones you catch in game using a lav to kill or camped in redline in game....

Lol what ... eve to hard for ya bro ...

ya cute console kiddie

10 year game? FPS games battlefield, socom, unreal tournament franchises started 1999-2002. Yeah I'm sure they are dead.

I vote no. Live by your choices skilling.

Respecs only favors FOTM/FOTW/OP crap.

/c

...changing your load outs on the fly and being able to do it from the start keeps the battlefield changing. a staple to fps games. so you see why a fps player would be for it. so far it's "accept the pub stomp" cause no one in your whole team speced into a effective counter to the roving tanks.

This is also a pretty good argument for diversifying and speccing into a SECOND role, rather than using a respec to re-specializing into another, single, specific role.

So, while you might not happen to have a specialized AV guy on your squad to take out that roving tank, but one or two guys with the ability to swap to their AV secondary fits would still be a viable option.

Dude, because that second role takes MONTHS of grind to get it to competitive level. That's why you don't see everyone with second roles unless it's a bitter vet with +15 million SP.

-XOXO

@Garrett Blacknova

Hence why I said also said that EVE is a DATED GAME. What it offers that no other game does seems to amount to RL work. But with out the RL pay. But we can go back and forth as to what really amounts to personal taste, so I'll keep my OP of eve to myself.

*on this thread at least*

anyway, At 12+mill sp. I could care less for a re spec. See I'm a RP, in FPS games. I usually stick to one role. My K/d is what I look at now, not sp. As my k/d goes up, so does my isk. and so does my awesomeness as a scout.


But I see nothing wrong in stopping others who want it. changing your load outs on the fly and being able to do it from the start keeps the battlefield changing. a staple to fps games. so you see why a fps player would be for it. so far it's "accept the pub stomp" cause no one in your whole team speced into a effective counter to the roving tanks. The should grind to everything and welcome to new eden doesn't compute. Dust players get the short end of the stick. If your going to tout that dust is part of the eve online, then really make it so.


Let dusters destroy eve ships. now... why you eve players shaking your head no?

This is also a pretty good argument for diversifying and speccing into a SECOND role, rather than using a respec to re-specializing into another, single, specific role.

While there might not happen to be a specialized AV guy on your squad to take out that roving tanks, one or two guys with the ability to swap to their AV secondary fits could be a viable alternative.

Dude, because that second role takes MONTHS of grind to get it to competitive level. That's why you don't see everyone with second roles unless it's a bitter vet with +15 million SP.

-XOXO

Yes, exactly. This is one of the most basic functions of the SP system. It's the reason why anybody can compete with the top SP players in one area with just a few months invested while at the same time the top SP player still has the advantage of versatility so that there's always more SP to profit from.

Respecs kill this concept and, if you ask me, the SP system with it because it's devolved into just a power grind. Just ask for a removal of the SP system because that's what this demand already implies.

I want one now. I'll gladly give you my money for a respec CCP. I have +10 million SP, there's no reason for me to buy boosters because I have a full class and weapon at max, and also a vehicle. I want a change of role, but for that I have to play the game for another 3 months to get the full class to max level (suit and weapon). I can't play this game anymore because I'm bored of my class. I don't feel like AFK farming either.

The option to buy respecs is necessary for high SP players who want to change class and keep having fun with the game without crippling themselves with inferior gear and months of grind for a new class. It doesn't matter if they use it for FOTM, doesn't matter if they made mistakes, doesn't matter if they have to live with the consequences. Consequences of what? Suck at the game? Get bored of doing the same thing over and over again?

If Dust was a true MMO where every decision you made was important then I would say no to respecs. Especially if they're were going to be used to abuse game mechanics or whatever. But right now they won't affect anything game-wise, only player experience and boredom.

-XOXO.

No to respecs. Look how many Caldari logibros want one now to switch to Caldari assault suit.

-Wyrm

why wont you just create another character with different weapons and suits. that's the point of 3 character slots

Top SP infantry players don't get much versatility right now (in fact, most of it is in the Dropsuit Upgrades tree if at all). It'd be nice if some level of versatility was a prerequisite to reach specialization.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, the vehicle progression is a good example. All Madrugar and Vayu pilots can drive a Methana. They're in a good spot to diversify into LLAVs too, but aren't be able to do it as well as a dedicated LLAV pilot until they specialize into that role (in large part due to the bonus on the LLAV skill).

This builds versatility into specialization, and it gives 'paths of least resistance' for nerf victims to take, while they wait for the meta to come full circle.

Game is boring due to lack of content. +1 for respecs. Why grind for a new role when I'm already bored due to grinding for my current one?

Game is boring due to lack of content. +1 for respecs. Why grind for a new role when I'm already bored due to grinding for my current one?

Respecs won't change this. Even with a respec, the "lack of content" will still exist, and you'll still be bored.

You'll just be bored and carrying a different gun.

Better to address the actual problem (lack of content) than to implement an ineffective, band-aid work-around for a symptom (boredom), IMO.

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I agree that the skilltree, especially its infantry portion scatters a little too much a little too early on. This limits the reusability of invested SP as any investment in, say, one weapon type is completely immaterial to the use of other weapon types.

We have to remember though, that the pre uprising tree offered a variety of blanket bonuses to whole weapon classes (light, heavy) and constituted too large of an advantage for high SP chars (the old Sharp Shooter skill comes to mind) so that specialization, as an alternative for generalization, was not exactly viable as core weaponry skills were a necessary part of every combat focused role.

I like the fact that currently one can focus his fit and skills in order to get competitive performance with a comparatively limited amount of skillpoints (core skills+weapon+other mods).

A balance has to be found between those two concepts in order to make them both viable with their respective ups and downs.

What's interesting and refreshing in your point is that it identifies a potential problem without defaulting to respecs as the ideal solution. I think that the most common causes for this need (bad information regarding skills/modules, bad balance, bad progression) could and should be adressed directly to solve the underlying issues in a future proof way, rather than mask their symptoms with a respec option. One that introduces a long tail of problems on its own.

For starters I'd like to see a layer of more general weapon skills that group similar types of weapons into categories so that, in the event of a balance overkill, one can revert to another functionally similar weapon without having to reinvest the full amount of SP.

For example: Light weapons could distinguish between "assault" "av" "precision" and "specialist" (the latter leaves room for improvement) weapons that each share some of the currently seperated support skills.

To offer a level of specialization, and to maintain the balance I would like to see, I propose a "[weapon type] specialization" skill, that unlocks the prototype level of said weapon, coupled with additional support skills, while the group skills only unlock the ADV variants of their weapon group and a generic set of passive skills.

[...]that the pre uprising tree offered a variety of blanket bonuses to whole weapon classes (light, heavy) and constituted too large of an advantage for high SP chars[...]

Dude i can't wait i stopped playing Dust cuz i got bored i can't respec and im not grinding anymore. I'm playing GTA IV complete edition getting ready for GTA V

Love how the EVEtards fight for this tooth and nail to stay out. IT should happen and there should be 1 free and 1 paid yearly.

But my decisions wont matter and this isnt hardcore enough for me boo hoo. Everyone will just spec into the FOTM and nobody will spec into anything that doesnt perform.

Thats why nobody specs into heavies or dropships or scout suits


I totally enjoy you fools keep shooting yourselves in the foot over this dumb game. I feel most bad for CCP their aim in bringing this game to console was to bring a new community into the EVE universe in the end they will be left with the same ones who play EVE, they were simply better off putting this thing on PC and saving themselves the headache.

Good job since your arrival post E3 EVEtards have systematically destroyed this game and are the direct reason for the pitiful numbers CCP has in terms of playercounts and reviews.

Round of applause and pat on the back

I think it'd be best to group things by race, then by size, and finally have a single specialization skill for a given item.

An example; to get into a Gallente Logistics suit:
Dropsuit Operation 1
Gallente Light Dropsuit Operation 3
Dropsuit Operation 3
Gallente Medium Dropsuit Operation 5
Gallente Logistics Dropsuits 1

Another example; this time for the Minmatar HMG:
Weaponry 1
Minmatar Sidearm Operation 3
Weaponry 3
Minmatar Light Weapon Operation 3
Weaponry 5
Minmatar Heavy Weapon Operation 1

This has a sense of progression within a given race, but the important part is that it inherently makes the player more nerf resistant than before; better able to cope with shifts in the meta game. When Logistics become undesirable for whatever reason, the player still has options, since getting to Logistics required investments in other areas. Much of the skill points to get there has not been "wasted", and the player can identify what his/her best course of action is.

And in the example above, each Operation skill unlocks access to ALL Minmatar STD meta sidearms at level 1, and at Level 5, specializations become unlocked (e.g. Minmatar SMG Specialization), which unlocks ADV at level 1 and PRO at level 3.

Currently, the 'path of least resistance' consists of the other role in your frame size. This remains true in the structure above, except it also adds all the other roles for all the other suits and weapons that you've already trained.

In other words: there is less feeling of starting over, more feelings of continued progression, if something doesn't work out at least getting there got you closer to something else you might want to try.

Cross training to a different race becomes a much more heavy choice too, especially for the bigger equipment.

One requirement for this to work right is that there needs to be bonuses on every single skill. They all need to be worth training to 5 at some point; and each level needs to feel like a worthy milestone. Basic suits need bonuses, for example.

Which brings me to blanket skills.

You mention:

But I would argue that the root of that problem lay in game mechanics. Sharpshooter gets demonized a lot, but it was really just the fact that it increased the range at which bullets magically disintegrated which was the issue. The fact that a newbie couldn't shoot back at a veteran because of a few meters of magic range. With the addition of Absolute range, sharpshooter could technically make a comeback, because that scenario just can't happen anymore.

Blanket skills only become problems when the mechanics they affect are weak enough to break under them; and in those cases, its the mechanics that need fixing.

And that's about all I have to say.

Love how the EVEtards fight for this tooth and nail to stay out. IT should happen and there should be 1 free and 1 paid yearly.

But my decisions wont matter and this isnt hardcore enough for me boo hoo. Everyone will just spec into the FOTM and nobody will spec into anything that doesnt perform.

Thats why nobody specs into heavies or dropships or scout suits


I totally enjoy you fools keep shooting yourselves in the foot over this dumb game. I feel most bad for CCP their aim in bringing this game to console was to bring a new community into the EVE universe in the end they will be left with the same ones who play EVE, they were simply better off putting this thing on PC and saving themselves the headache.

Good job since your arrival post E3 EVEtards have systematically destroyed this game and are the direct reason for the pitiful numbers CCP has in terms of playercounts and reviews.

Round of applause and pat on the back

Your pain is our pleasure.

You can thank us later.

You go on insulting other people while ignoring that we are actually discussing how to improve your gameplay experience aswell.

One thing i noticed in all those respec threads i was involved in is that the pro side more often than not seems wholly disinterested in solving the problems that lead to the respec thread in the first place. They'd rather abandon the thread or throw around with funny ad hominem remarks as soon as it becomes obvious that a respec might not be the best solution.

I was about to say this in my last post but then thought it would be inappropriate to do so. Thank you for giving me an excuse.

I want one now. I'll gladly give you my money for a respec CCP. I have +10 million SP, there's no reason for me to buy boosters because I have a full class and weapon at max, and also a vehicle. I want a change of role, but for that I have to play the game for another 3 months to get the full class to max level (suit and weapon). I can't play this game anymore because I'm bored of my class. I don't feel like AFK farming either.

The option to buy respecs is necessary for high SP players who want to change class and keep having fun with the game without crippling themselves with inferior gear and months of grind for a new class. It doesn't matter if they use it for FOTM, doesn't matter if they made mistakes, doesn't matter if they have to live with the consequences. Consequences of what? Suck at the game? Get bored of doing the same thing over and over again?

If Dust was a true MMO where every decision you made was important then I would say no to respecs. Especially if they're were going to be used to abuse game mechanics or whatever. But right now they won't affect anything game-wise, only player experience and boredom.

-XOXO.

You are welcome. And respecs have less to do with people wanting to get out of a rebalanced class or weapon and more about trying new things. If the content is designed for years worth of progression before having all the content availalble to use then it only makes sense that in between that time people would like the option of trying something new.

Now ive said this before if CCP has no interest in making this a monetary source for themselves (one that is far better than Boosters and would free them up to open up the SP gains) then to hell with them, people should just go ahead and make 10 free accounts and sit there for the year.

Better yet make a bunch of free accounts and subvert the whole system with RMT and get it into the hands of players despearte to try a new build. See thats what people dont get is its very easy for RMT for chracters.

I mean 1-2 years from now a person could have a character with 8-16M SP on passive alone and with direct player ISK transfer you can also set that character up with a boatload of ISK. Now you think a person cant easily sell that character off for $10-$20?

So yea lets all let people resort to creating a host of free characters because that wont create any problems at all

You "try" things by using STD or MLT (where applicable). The "must V for pub" is a fallacy that will become apparent once a comprehensive matchmaking system is in place.

The money argument is also meh. A respec option would mean that, once you can max one role, you will never again need boosters unless your new preferred role requires significantly more SP. You cannibalize one revenue stream with another. Net gain: Zero - negative in the long run since boosters become less and less viable the more SP you have.

And the RMT problem is one i expect CCP to be able to cope with one way or another. The introduction of PLEX and the character bazaar pretty much killed most RMT operation EVE side so i'll let them handle this one aswell.

Militia and STD variants dont fully reveal a weapons characteristics since there are actual bonuses attached to speccing a weapon to proto. That weapon becomes even more powerful with proficiency but since proficiency is consistent across the board one can replicate proficiency with damage mods. So yea if you want accurate player feedback and player statistics you need people using proto versions to get a better understanding of the balance scale.

You have the pipedream of a comprehensive matchmaking system and i will tell you not going to happen, player counts are too low and it will result in subpopulations waiting for extended periods of time trying to find a match. The money argument is better because you are replacing a option that is perceived as neecessary to compete (boosters) to one that is optional and reserved for variety.

Dust is a F2P, a plexing option wouldnt exist, if you mean being able to purchase characters with a set amount of SP and ISK for real money well then now you open the door to P2W and more to the point how is this really any different from a respec, just that they are not going to have as much SP as a person with say 50M SP wanting to respec?

In the end it doesnt matter when will people realize that if a character has 10M SP thats all it needs to compete, versatility while valuable as a individual is not inherently that much of a force multiplier if you have a proper team that is balanced for the roles needed.

lolwhut?????? LMFAO!!!!!!!

Please tell me you're trolling. Please please please.

-XOXO

You go on insulting other people while ignoring that we are actually discussing how to improve your gameplay experience aswell.

One thing i noticed in all those respec threads i was involved in is that the pro side more often than not seems wholly disinterested in solving the problems that lead to the respec thread in the first place. They'd rather abandon the thread or throw around funny ad hominem remarks as soon as it becomes obvious that a respec might not be the best solution.

I was about to say this in my last post but then thought it would be inappropriate to do so. Thank you for giving me an excuse.

Militia and STD variants dont fully reveal a weapons characteristics since there are actual bonuses attached to speccing a weapon to proto. That weapon becomes even more powerful with proficiency but since proficiency is consistent across the board one can replicate proficiency with damage mods. So yea if you want accurate player feedback and player statistics you need people using proto versions to get a better understanding of the balance scale.

Militia and STD variants dont fully reveal a weapons characteristics since there are actual In the end it doesnt matter when will people realize that if a character has 10M SP thats all it needs to compete, versatility while valuable as a individual is not inherently that much of a force multiplier if you have a proper team that is balanced for the roles needed.

NO DIS IS WELCOME TO NEW EDEN HAS TO LIVE BY YOUR CONSEQUENCES CAUSE CHOICES MATTER U NEED TO NOT CALL OF DUTY FOTM CCP NEEDS YOU TO BUY BOOSTER FOR 7 MORE YEARS BECAUSE THIS GAME IS SO DEEP AND SO COMPLEX.

We want the content and the balance too malkai. Just think that respecs will keep people interested in the interim. We all know how slow CCP is with development. It's just two steps forward one step back. Add PC but remove corp battles? Buff one gun into obvious OP status (tac ar) and nerf one into uselessness (laser) take months to fix the problem. I knew the tac was OP just on stats before I spent a skill point last respec. Then my buddy squads up with me and declares it amazing minutes later.

5 pages and you guys still can't come up with a good argument against respecs.

TIL someone bought boosters to get where they are. I'm near 4m Sp in and I have done it without one booster. I have 2 separate roles for my toon and I'm loving it. If you are not, then simply man up, start a new toon, and go play more. In any other MMO you can't just respec anytime you want. I was never able to respec in Anarchy online. I couldn't respec when playing Oblivion or Morrowind, I can't choose a different role with DCuniverse. It's the nature of the game. You don't like your role, start fresh with a new toon, or just start building from scratch with this one. Your real problem is that you don't want to go back to being a newblood, you just want to continue stomping everyone, but with a different shoe. Deal with your class, or get a new one and stop crying.

Wow!

And how many of those were first person shooters that had half of it's core content missing? Buddy, this game is First Person Shooter first and foremost. But the ****** thing is, this game has no where near as much content as those other MMOs.

The only thing this game has to offer is shooting and grinding pubs to level up. And believe it or not, not everyone gets hard on over the fact that it takes years to unlock content.

I very much like this proposition. A couple things:

I agree that this would greatly help coping with faulty balance passes through switching of the suit/role. As it stands though, since most roles are only (and probably will for a long time) represented with only one type of item from each race, switching gear with the least change in play style means cross training in most cases.

This could/should be alleviated though by releasing two or more variations of all basic roles per race. One could argue that the amarr LR and SCR already fit into this as they are both direct hit assault type light weapons. This way players can change their gear without necceserily changing their playstyle along with it.

Concerning blanket bonuses your perspective is quite interesting and agreeable. And while i completely agree that every single skill should have a bonus associated with it i would reply that those bonuses could easily add up towards a significant advantage against a lower SP char, all else equal. Sharp shooter was the worst offender but extra dmg, ammo, fitting, and range at the same time could allow a vet to outperform a new player with the same or even better suit by virtue of his SP alone. This is ok for a full out RPG but could be an issue in an FPS/RPG hybrid

The current tree avoids this situation as all passive bonuses (except for tank and fitting core skills) are by design highly specific and thus quite limited in significance even when added on top of each other. I would prefer to conserve this behavior with two general rules:

Skill bonuses become more significant the further up the tree and expensive they are, starting from miniscule fitting bonuses to dmg etc. at the very end.

Skill bonuses become more specific the further up the tree and expensive they are. Slight fitting bonuses can apply to all weapons of one race but things like damage bonuses should only apply to a specific weapon.

This allows players to achieve acceptable performance of a wide variety of gear with rather low investment and allows SP intensive specialization for excelling performance of a specific type of gear.

Edit: added underlined section