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FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:00:00 -
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I want one now. I'll gladly give you my money for a respec CCP. I have +10 million SP, there's no reason for me to buy boosters because I have a full class and weapon at max, and also a vehicle. I want a change of role, but for that I have to play the game for another 3 months to get the full class to max level (suit and weapon). I can't play this game anymore because I'm bored of my class. I don't feel like AFK farming either.
The option to buy respecs is necessary for high SP players who want to change class and keep having fun with the game without crippling themselves with inferior gear and months of grind for a new class. It doesn't matter if they use it for FOTM, doesn't matter if they made mistakes, doesn't matter if they have to live with the consequences. Consequences of what? Suck at the game? Get bored of doing the same thing over and over again?
If Dust was a true MMO where every decision you made was important then I would say no to respecs. Especially if they're were going to be used to abuse game mechanics or whatever. But right now they won't affect anything game-wise, only player experience and boredom.
-XOXO. |
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions
655
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:01:00 -
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I vote no. Live by your choices skilling.
Respecs only favors FOTM/FOTW/OP crap.
/c |
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Pikachu Power
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
21
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:01:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:I want one now. I'll gladly give you my money for a respec CCP. I have +10 million SP, there's no reason for me to buy boosters because I have a full class and weapon at max, and also a vehicle. I want a change of role, but for that I have to play the game for another 3 months to get the full class to max level (suit and weapon). I can't play this game anymore because I'm bored of my class. I don't feel like AFK farming either.
The option to buy respecs is necessary for high SP players who want to change class and keep having fun with the game without crippling themselves with inferior gear and months of grind for a new class. It doesn't matter if they use it for FOTM, doesn't matter if they made mistakes, doesn't matter if they have to live with the consequences. Consequences of what? Suck at the game? Get bored of doing the same thing over and over again?
If Dust was a true MMO where every decision you made was important then I would say no to respecs. Especially if they're were going to be used to abuse game mechanics or whatever. But right now they won't affect anything game-wise, only player experience and boredom.
-XOXO.
The King of QQ and his Knights support this thread. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1321
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:06:00 -
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Always amazes me to see how up in arms people get against this idea |
Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
183
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:08:00 -
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Just remember, every one of you respec-begging turdburgers is directly and personally responsible for everyone who was AR5 specced for TACs now being Flaylock5 specced for Core FLs. |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
250
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:10:00 -
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ChribbaX wrote:I vote no. Live by your choices skilling.
Respecs only favors FOTM/FOTW/OP crap.
/c
Please tell me how can my choice of being a fatty and have a proto HMG affects the game at all? Do I get chocolates for achieving those? Not even that. Only months of boredom and grind until you get your precious desired new class. How do the FOTM affects you in anyway? Can't be gud enough to kill them? I don't care about FOTM. I just want to use my laser rifle, now. I'd pay.
-XOXO
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Cosgar
ParagonX
2739
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:13:00 -
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No paid respecs on the general principle that this game still isn't "complete." It's like buying "DLC" for a Capcom game, even though the content is on a disc you already paid for. |
TerdY420
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:13:00 -
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Pay 2 win after any build, $20! Creating the ultimate flavor of the month. Luuulz |
Ark Angel Clone-A
Fenrir's Wolves RUST415
2
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:14:00 -
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why wont you just create another character with different weapons and suits. that's the point of 3 character slots |
Protocake JR
Internal Error.
164
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:26:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:I want one now. I'll gladly give you my money for a respec CCP. I have +10 million SP, there's no reason for me to buy boosters because I have a full class and weapon at max, and also a vehicle. I want a change of role, but for that I have to play the game for another 3 months to get the full class to max level (suit and weapon). I can't play this game anymore because I'm bored of my class. I don't feel like AFK farming either.
The option to buy respecs is necessary for high SP players who want to change class and keep having fun with the game without crippling themselves with inferior gear and months of grind for a new class. It doesn't matter if they use it for FOTM, doesn't matter if they made mistakes, doesn't matter if they have to live with the consequences. Consequences of what? Suck at the game? Get bored of doing the same thing over and over again?
If Dust was a true MMO where every decision you made was important then I would say no to respecs. Especially if they're were going to be used to abuse game mechanics or whatever. But right now they won't affect anything game-wise, only player experience and boredom.
-XOXO.
NO DIS IS WELCOME TO NEW EDEN HAS TO LIVE BY YOUR CONSEQUENCES CAUSE CHOICES MATTER U NEED TO NOT CALL OF DUTY FOTM CCP NEEDS YOU TO BUY BOOSTER FOR 7 MORE YEARS BECAUSE THIS GAME IS SO DEEP AND SO COMPLEX
But seriously. We don't have all the content. Your choices do not matter. After 10-15 mill SP, people get burned out and stop buying boosters. SP respects can keep this pieces of **** game feeling fresh after playing it for so long. There is always ways to make Respecs work.
FOTM? Provide better feedback and keep pressure and the incompetent developers. Make respecs have 90 day cooldown timers.
Choices matter? No they don't, fanboy. This is a simple minded FPS on console. Not your srs bznys internet spaceship play pen. Choices only matter for the top 1% of the 1%. The GREATER majority of players could not care less about your lolchoices. |
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FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
250
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:27:00 -
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Ark Angel Clone-A wrote:why wont you just create another character with different weapons and suits. that's the point of 3 character slots
Creating a new character for a new class is worst than grinding with my main. My main at least has max core skills. The thing here is the long grind for a new class.
-XOXO
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Pikachu Power
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
25
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:28:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:I want one now. I'll gladly give you my money for a respec CCP. I have +10 million SP, there's no reason for me to buy boosters because I have a full class and weapon at max, and also a vehicle. I want a change of role, but for that I have to play the game for another 3 months to get the full class to max level (suit and weapon). I can't play this game anymore because I'm bored of my class. I don't feel like AFK farming either.
The option to buy respecs is necessary for high SP players who want to change class and keep having fun with the game without crippling themselves with inferior gear and months of grind for a new class. It doesn't matter if they use it for FOTM, doesn't matter if they made mistakes, doesn't matter if they have to live with the consequences. Consequences of what? Suck at the game? Get bored of doing the same thing over and over again?
If Dust was a true MMO where every decision you made was important then I would say no to respecs. Especially if they're were going to be used to abuse game mechanics or whatever. But right now they won't affect anything game-wise, only player experience and boredom.
-XOXO. NO DIS IS WELCOME TO NEW EDEN HAS TO LIVE BY YOUR CONSEQUENCES CAUSE CHOICES MATTER U NEED TO NOT CALL OF DUTY FOTM CCP NEEDS YOU TO BUY BOOSTER FOR 7 MORE YEARS BECAUSE THIS GAME IS SO DEEP AND SO COMPLEX But seriously. We don't have all the content. Your choices do not matter. After 10-15 mill SP, people get burned out and stop buying boosters. SP respects can keep this pieces of **** game feeling fresh after playing it for so long. There is always ways to make Respecs work. FOTM? Provide better feedback and keep pressure and the incompetent developers. Make respecs have 90 day cooldown timers. Choices matter? No they don't, fanboy. This is a simple minded FPS on console. Not your srs bznys internet spaceship play pen. Choices only matter for the top 1% of the 1%. The GREATER majority of players could not care less about your lolchoices.
THe King of QQ agrees |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
251
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:29:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:I want one now. I'll gladly give you my money for a respec CCP. I have +10 million SP, there's no reason for me to buy boosters because I have a full class and weapon at max, and also a vehicle. I want a change of role, but for that I have to play the game for another 3 months to get the full class to max level (suit and weapon). I can't play this game anymore because I'm bored of my class. I don't feel like AFK farming either.
The option to buy respecs is necessary for high SP players who want to change class and keep having fun with the game without crippling themselves with inferior gear and months of grind for a new class. It doesn't matter if they use it for FOTM, doesn't matter if they made mistakes, doesn't matter if they have to live with the consequences. Consequences of what? Suck at the game? Get bored of doing the same thing over and over again?
If Dust was a true MMO where every decision you made was important then I would say no to respecs. Especially if they're were going to be used to abuse game mechanics or whatever. But right now they won't affect anything game-wise, only player experience and boredom.
-XOXO. NO DIS IS WELCOME TO NEW EDEN HAS TO LIVE BY YOUR CONSEQUENCES CAUSE CHOICES MATTER U NEED TO NOT CALL OF DUTY FOTM CCP NEEDS YOU TO BUY BOOSTER FOR 7 MORE YEARS BECAUSE THIS GAME IS SO DEEP AND SO COMPLEX But seriously. We don't have all the content. Your choices do not matter. After 10-15 mill SP, people get burned out and stop buying boosters. SP respects can keep this pieces of **** game feeling fresh after playing it for so long. There is always ways to make Respecs work. FOTM? Provide better feedback and keep pressure and the incompetent developers. Make respecs have 90 day cooldown timers. Choices matter? No they don't, fanboy. This is a simple minded FPS on console. Not your srs bznys internet spaceship play pen. Choices only matter for the top 1% of the 1%. The GREATER majority of players could not care less about your lolchoices.
Wisest words I've seen on this forums. And thank you for explaining my idea in a smarter way.
-XOXO |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
149
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:30:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Always amazes me to see how up in arms people get against this idea Some people like controlling other people's virtual toons. Others are concerned it will destroy game play. Regardless of the reason I chuckle over the passive-greifing it causes.
The whole skill system while neat doesn't seem to be working very well. These respec threads are going to remain a part of forum life. If we want to see fewer of them then some meaningful change needs to happen and people have thrown out plenty of interesting ideas.
Overall the game might have been better served by something simpler than Eve Online while a step more complicated than the Borderlands skill trees. |
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions
655
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:37:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:ChribbaX wrote:I vote no. Live by your choices skilling.
Respecs only favors FOTM/FOTW/OP crap.
/c Please tell me how can my choice of being a fatty and have a proto HMG affects the game at all? Do I get chocolates for achieving those? Not even that. Only months of boredom and grind until you get your precious desired new class. How do the FOTM affects you in anyway? Can't be gud enough to kill them? I don't care about FOTM. I just want to use my laser rifle, now. I'd pay.
-XOXO I highlighted the part that shows why I'm not for P2W respecs.
/c |
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Azri Sarum
BurgezzE.T.F
59
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:49:00 -
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ChribbaX wrote:I vote no. Live by your choices skilling.
Respecs only favors FOTM/FOTW/OP crap.
/c
Couldn't agree more.
Your mercs strengths, and weaknesses are a direct result of your choice. This choice is a core aspect to this universe, and influences your path through it.
If you let people respec then it no longer matters. People will respect to whatever is OP/FOTM. If you think things like the Tac AR or flaylock are bad now, imagine how bad it would be if 90% of the population respec'd into them? |
GLiMPSE X
Internal Error.
265
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Posted - 2013.07.18 07:02:00 -
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I agree to $50 respecs. $20 is too cheap.
If you want a respec that bad, it's gonna need to set ya back a bit. |
KingBabar
Internal Error.
913
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Posted - 2013.07.18 07:09:00 -
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Having FOTM stuff in a game and being worried that people will keep speccing into it is the most rediculous argument out there. You're really saying:
"the developer is incompetent, especially at balancing, and keeps changing stuff in erratic ways that are so profound that occationally we get stuff that outclasses all, we need to limit the flexibility for all lpayers to keep this at a bare minimum"
Yes I'd gladly be a part of the "live with your consequenses" when they have most of the core content released, like racial suits and primary weapons, not stuff like jets and such. And it doesn't help that they keep radically changing the performance of weapons and stuff in general.
As long as I can't make intelligent decisions based on availability and correect numbers, why should I be forced to live with the consequenses?
But please keep it up, all you EVEtard fanboys, keep slapping the holy mantras of Adapt or die and HTFU, all the way to the point where the puny playerbase gets even smaller, one day you'll be left all to your self and you won't be stomped by the proper FPS players anymore.
Now its come to a point where needing to "Adapt or Die" is best used to describe the current state of Dust.
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FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
252
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Posted - 2013.07.18 07:12:00 -
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Azri Sarum wrote:ChribbaX wrote:I vote no. Live by your choices skilling.
Respecs only favors FOTM/FOTW/OP crap.
/c Couldn't agree more. Your mercs strengths, and weaknesses are a direct result of your choice. This choice is a core aspect to this universe, and influences your path through it.
lolwhut?????? LMFAO!!!!!!!
Please tell me you're trolling. Please please please.
-XOXO |
SvisT O'neill
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
7
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Posted - 2013.07.18 07:16:00 -
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When you finally have pumped up everything you wanted - we will just nerf it instantly below the ground. (c) CCP
That's the core of this game. That's all it about! Love it or GTFO :) |
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Ark Angel Clone-A
Fenrir's Wolves RUST415
5
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Posted - 2013.07.18 07:16:00 -
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Quote:Couldn't agree more.
Your mercs strengths, and weaknesses are a direct result of your choice. This choice is a core aspect to this universe, and influences your path through it.
If you let people respec then it no longer matters. People will respect to whatever is OP/FOTM. If you think things like the Tac AR or flaylock are bad now, imagine how bad it would be if 90% of the population respec'd into them?
I totally agree with him, everyone plays their own role on the battlefield and what you specced into was your decision. if you want to be something else then make another character or keep getting more sp on your main otherwise GTFO. |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
411
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Posted - 2013.07.18 07:20:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:I agree to $50 respecs. $20 is too cheap.
If you want a respec that bad, it's gonna need to set ya back a bit. I don't agree with this on principle.
CCP haven't done enough work to actually legitimise this offer this as a service and at $20 or $50 it's basically free money for CCP as people are finding choices are pointless because of severe lack of balance.
Lesson in the amount of disposable income even in these troubled times. |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
220
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Posted - 2013.07.18 07:21:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Having FOTM stuff in a game and being worried that people will keep speccing into it is the most rediculous argument out there. You're really saying:
"the developer is incompetent, especially at balancing, and keeps changing stuff in erratic ways that are so profound that occationally we get stuff that outclasses all, we need to limit the flexibility for all lpayers to keep this at a bare minimum"
Yes I'd gladly be a part of the "live with your consequenses" when they have most of the core content released, like racial suits and primary weapons, not stuff like jets and such. And it doesn't help that they keep radically changing the performance of weapons and stuff in general.
As long as I can't make intelligent decisions based on availability and correect numbers, why should I be forced to live with the consequenses?
But please keep it up, all you EVEtard fanboys, keep slapping the holy mantras of Adapt or die and HTFU, all the way to the point where the puny playerbase gets even smaller, one day you'll be left all to your self and you won't be stomped by the proper FPS players anymore.
Now its come to a point where needing to "Adapt or Die" is best used to describe the current state of Dust.
Well, your complaint is solved by partial respecs when these things come out. |
Duck Drahko
DUST University Ivy League
28
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Posted - 2013.07.18 07:21:00 -
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How is that different to buying your way to 10mil SP? If the "grind" is so horrible, then it affects everybody, not just experienced players. If all you need to have fun is being able to play a new class, what's stopping you from playing it already just with lower skills? |
Protocake JR
Internal Error.
167
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Posted - 2013.07.18 07:25:00 -
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Azri Sarum wrote:ChribbaX wrote:I vote no. Live by your choices skilling.
Respecs only favors FOTM/FOTW/OP crap.
/c Couldn't agree more. Your mercs strengths, and weaknesses are a direct result of your choice. This choice is a core aspect to this universe, and influences your path through it. If you let people respec then it no longer matters. People will respect to whatever is OP/FOTM. If you think things like the Tac AR or flaylock are bad now, imagine how bad it would be if 90% of the population respec'd into them?
This is a perfect example of a fanboy who takes this game too seriously.
I mean, maybe in 5 years when this game has enough contents and stuff to do, it would be okay to have this mentality. I would love to believe that my merc is walking his own path towards glory and fame. But i'm not going to drink the CCP koolaid marketing diarrhea.
We don't have near enough contents to justify thinking this way.
All we have is a repetitive lobby shooter that takes MONTHS just to "mostly" specialize in. A repetitive lobby shooter that suffers performance issues, suffers developers who have no idea how to make a fun FPS and most all, suffers a long grind spanning several years just to unlock content.
Give us respecs, if only until we get enough content to keep us from getting burned out . |
Azri Sarum
BurgezzE.T.F
59
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Posted - 2013.07.18 08:17:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote: This is a perfect example of a fanboy who takes this game too seriously.
I hardly think i'm taking this game too seriously, but I will gladly step up as a fanboy of this game because I enjoy it, and I can see what it will become.
Protocake JR wrote: I mean, maybe in 5 years when this game has enough content and stuff to do, it would be okay to have this mentality. I would love to believe that my merc is walking his own path towards glory and fame. But i'm not going to drink the CCP koolaid marketing diarrhea.
Your merc is walking his own path towards glory and fame, if you let it happen. Your starting now when its hard, when you fight the game as much as you fight your opponents. Those awesome days of glory and fame are a ways off yet, just as they are for DUST, but both will get there if they keep walking.
Protocake JR wrote: We don't have near enough content to justify thinking this way.
All we have is a repetitive lobby shooter that takes MONTHS just to "mostly" specialize in. A repetitive lobby shooter that suffers performance issues, suffers developers who have no idea how to make a fun FPS and most all, suffers a long grind spanning several years just to unlock content.
Give us respecs, if only until we get enough content to keep us from getting burned out .
I love the anguish the idea that it takes months to mostly specialize in something. The fact that you can have character progression for years, that the choices you make now can affect you years down the road is something you will have a hard time finding anywhere else. Don't squander it out of impatience.
As to respecs as an alternative to sufficient content... its a poor design, and an argument I frankly don't get. We have more content now than anyone can spec into for years to come already, and yet people claim its not enough? If you have tried it all already, ill bet its only because of the respecs they gave out.
I do get the argument for respecs around the holes we know about. I personally am very interested in seeing the caldari and amarr scout suits. But because we know they are coming we can plan around them. We can use an advanced level of one of the other races for minimal SP. We can focus on our core skills and weapons while we wait. We have options.
The real problem I see with the arguments about content, about how ccp released only half the suits, is that i don't think people realize that the content will not hit some point and be done. This is not your regular shooter that gets feature complete and is done forever. They will be adding new suits, new weapons, new vehicles, roles, classes of things, etc, for the next decade. EVE is a perfect example of this. The last expansion, a decade into the game, they released 4 new ships.
The new is never going to stop.
Because of that, you can not set the precedence now for on demand respec, and then 5 or 3 or 1 years down the road when they pass some arbitrary content threshold remove that ability. The damage will have been done. I would rather have a little tougher time now than to destroy the meaning skills will have down the road. |
HYENAKILLER X
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.07.18 08:30:00 -
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Borderlands 2 has respecs for cheap the second you want them.
For the record: anyone against full customization is just rediculous.
Why limit my color, image, stats, prefferences?
Ccp is a solid company. I like this game and knew goid guys back in the day who played eve.
But to turn your back on, limit or forget that customization and personal preference is such an enormous part of individual game interaction is actually wreckless.
Closing example: I play armored core. The game has been around since 96. Its going on 2014. There are 13 different titles. Find deeper customization anywhere. And mech games are an incredibley small market.
Nothing is greater than free will unhindered. |
GET ATMESON
NEW AGE EMPIRE The Family Syndicate
65
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Posted - 2013.07.18 08:54:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:I want one now. I'll gladly give you my money for a respec CCP. I have +10 million SP, there's no reason for me to buy boosters because I have a full class and weapon at max, and also a vehicle. I want a change of role, but for that I have to play the game for another 3 months to get the full class to max level (suit and weapon). I can't play this game anymore because I'm bored of my class. I don't feel like AFK farming either.
The option to buy respecs is necessary for high SP players who want to change class and keep having fun with the game without crippling themselves with inferior gear and months of grind for a new class. It doesn't matter if they use it for FOTM, doesn't matter if they made mistakes, doesn't matter if they have to live with the consequences. Consequences of what? Suck at the game? Get bored of doing the same thing over and over again?
If Dust was a true MMO where every decision you made was important then I would say no to respecs. Especially if they're were going to be used to abuse game mechanics or whatever. But right now they won't affect anything game-wise, only player experience and boredom.
-XOXO.
I said this along time ago. I wish they could do this. People say it would make it "pay to win" I strongy disagree. I need this idea for when a shield heavy comes out! |
MCEINSTEIN08
Defective by Design
11
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Posted - 2013.07.18 09:13:00 -
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AGREED! This is a game after all, I am getting tired of the "Must live by your choices" MOTTO!
I already live by my choices, don't want to play by my (wrong) choices also!!!!
Many people want the respec, many don't! Just give the option every 5mil SPs.
Option, not requirement for ALL! |
steadyhand amarr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
950
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Posted - 2013.07.18 09:40:00 -
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NO. Learn the concept of living with consequences of you actions mistakes and all. Will help you in the real world too |
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