DUST Search - Sell respecs for $20

DR88VIPER Starrunner wrote:

Its always good fun to see under aged children trying to play a grownup's game. Eve/dust just happen to be one of those grownup's game, and just like real life the choices u make are permanent.
Now i know its a hard concept to grasp for some adults let alone for 12 year old, but if u cant understand it then plz don't try to **** it up for the ppl who do get it. This goes for weapons, vehicles, respecs, basically everything.
Crying coz u were to dumb to think what u really would want in the game should not be our problem and sure as hell should not be changed. Crying coz CCP balanced something and now ur not running the FOTM WHO GIVES A **** GO BACK TO COD!!! Crying coz LAV'S run over ur FOTM suit well LOOK BOTH WAYS BEFORE CROSSING THE FRIGGING ROAD.

u guys made choices just learn to live with ur own stupidity. Furthermore for all NON EVE players out there YES this is a adept or gtfo universe, NO this is not call of duty or battlefield, YES eve life will be verry hard for u all, and YES CCP is doing a great job to really make this into something worth while. So now alot of ppl will go rage and keep crying about FOTM or not being able to get a frigging respect to join the FOTM-train, or what a terrible job CCP is doing, but i say F U ALL go back to COD and plz don't infest the beautiful universe of New Eden with ur stinking corpses.

Every1 knows that dust is a part of EVE, and u all signed up for it, i'd say if u dont like it or cant stand the heat then GTFO of the kitchen.

Oh yeah and for a change CCP really keep up the good work, stop listening to these cry babies who only want nerfs/respecs, or other non important bullshit. U guys have a great game and ppl just have to realize that its not done overnight.
For all those who think dust is broken and CCP constantly fucks up i have one question ... Where are you're achievements in creating games??? any1 outside CCP who made a mmo on pc for 10 years now and connected it to a console fps ???? Any1 else even made a game ??? prove me wrong or just go back to ur pathetic COD.

For evey1 who is having fun, who do make the effort to go for that second role, keep up the good work and someday we will be rid of those cry babies ! ! ! !

viper

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Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 153	Posted - 2013.07.18 10:31:00 - [31] - Quote Duck Drahko wrote: How is that different to buying your way to 10mil SP? If the "grind" is so horrible, then it affects everybody, not just experienced players. If all you need to have fun is being able to play a new class, what's stopping you from playing it already just with lower skills? This. You don't need to completely max out a new weapon to use it. People jyst want to press the easy button and instantly max out a new role, rather than diversifying and earning a secondary role. Chances are, even with a respec, they'd be spending most of their SP on the same core skills they've already got, so the grind is already half done. It's not like they'd be starting from scratch, at zero. As for the "boredom" argument, after respeccing and putting all of their eggs into a different basket, they'll inevitably get bored again, and want another respec, again, and again. By earning a second role, the player not only gives themself something to strive for and work towards (which is the best way to alleviate boredom), but they also end up with TWO roles to choose from at any given time, which provides variety that can help to avoid boredom in the future. Pressing the easy button with a full respec won't solve their problem, only postpone it. It is a band-aid, short-term solution that only addresses the symptom (boredom), but not the causes of the problem (lack of goals to work towards, lack of diversity in their skills). It is the carrot, without the stick. Earning a second role is a more effective, long-term solution. Besides, like my dear old Pappy used to say: "Anything worth having is worth working for".
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 23	Posted - 2013.07.18 11:15:00 - [32] - Quote Considering how CCP could instantly down something and a group gets screwed over (for instance our poor pilots flying cardboard boxes), I'm behind the idea of respecing. There's nothing like full-spec into something... and then it's destroyed of use. No one should have to spend months to make up for the sudden changes, and even then the original spec becomes... lost time.
Nitrobeacon Freek Coalition 26	Posted - 2013.07.18 11:21:00 - [33] - Quote I wouldn't agree with optional respecs but respecs over a big event or some kind of huge nerf seems enough
KingBlade82 The Phoenix Federation 94	Posted - 2013.07.18 11:28:00 - [34] - Quote Cosgar wrote: No paid respecs on the general principle that this game still isn't "complete." It's like buying "DLC" for a Capcom game, even though the content is on a disc you already paid for. what hes saying with a little more info this game is not complete at all in fact it should not have been released it was not ready in the slightest they should allow a respec once they r done making and remaking content they show to our face and say look at the shiny lol who wouldn't? ik I want the jackass flaylock users to be stuck cause id laugh so hard but tbh this game has not built a base strong enough to say tough **** or HTFU
DR88VIPER Starrunner Neanderthal Nation 3	Posted - 2013.07.18 12:02:00 - [35] - Quote Its always good fun to see under aged children trying to play a grownup's game. Eve/dust just happen to be one of those grownup's game, and just like real life the choices u make are permanent. Now i know its a hard concept to grasp for some adults let alone for 12 year old, but if u cant understand it then plz don't try to ** it up for the ppl who do get it. This goes for weapons, vehicles, respecs, basically everything. Crying coz u were to dumb to think what u really would want in the game should not be our problem and sure as hell should not be changed. Crying coz CCP balanced something and now ur not running the FOTM WHO GIVES A ** GO BACK TO COD!!! Crying coz LAV'S run over ur FOTM suit well LOOK BOTH WAYS BEFORE CROSSING THE FRIGGING ROAD. u guys made choices just learn to live with ur own stupidity. Furthermore for all NON EVE players out there YES this is a adept or gtfo universe, NO this is not call of duty or battlefield, YES eve life will be verry hard for u all, and YES CCP is doing a great job to really make this into something worth while. So now alot of ppl will go rage and keep crying about FOTM or not being able to get a frigging respect to join the FOTM-train, or what a terrible job CCP is doing, but i say F U ALL go back to COD and plz don't infest the beautiful universe of New Eden with ur stinking corpses. Every1 knows that dust is a part of EVE, and u all signed up for it, i'd say if u dont like it or cant stand the heat then GTFO of the kitchen. Oh yeah and for a change CCP really keep up the good work, stop listening to these cry babies who only want nerfs/respecs, or other non important bullshit. U guys have a great game and ppl just have to realize that its not done overnight. For all those who think dust is broken and CCP constantly fucks up i have one question ... Where are you're achievements in creating games??? any1 outside CCP who made a mmo on pc for 10 years now and connected it to a console fps ???? Any1 else even made a game ??? prove me wrong or just go back to ur pathetic COD. For evey1 who is having fun, who do make the effort to go for that second role, keep up the good work and someday we will be rid of those cry babies ! ! ! ! viper
Harold Junk DUST University Ivy League 3	Posted - 2013.07.18 12:14:00 - [36] - Quote Ah, I see the "F" word getting thrown around alot here. If this game gets you that mad, maybe you shouldn't be calling other people Fanboys. Unless it's just to amuse me, then carry on. As someone who has less than 5 million sp, I have no sympathy for somebody 10 mill + who wants to kick my ass with a different set of gear. I don't buy the "boredom" argument either, seems like an excuse. Gotta agree with the other posters, make a new char, grind your way back up with the rest of us noobs. If you're too good for that... well I guess you'll just have to cry more? Its ok to cry. On the other hand, I don't really get the arguments against paid respecs either, other than it seems against CCP's plan of making you pay your dues to grind your way up, and live with your choices. I would really appreciate an "undo" button tho.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 280	Posted - 2013.07.18 12:27:00 - [37] - Quote The day CCP sells respecs is a day we know Dust has died....
General Regret PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 13	Posted - 2013.07.18 12:50:00 - [38] - Quote I stand by no respecs. However in the future I can see a variant of either AUR or ISK being implemented of a respec due to the community. I generally wouldn't mind if it cost a very large sum... but only when everythings balanced - so no more FOTM bs will happen...
Clone Sixty Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 5	Posted - 2013.07.18 12:55:00 - [39] - Quote Fat Princess, use that $20 to get a sub to a gym.
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 154	Posted - 2013.07.18 13:08:00 - [40] - Quote The ironic thing is that, if all these people who have been asking about a respec for the last month or so had've begun speccing into a second role back then, and had spent this time grinding towards it, they'd probably have pretty decent gear by now, and be well on their way towards having two roles to choose from, you know, whenever they get bored or whatever.

Surt gods end Demon Ronin 691	Posted - 2013.07.18 13:15:00 - [41] - Quote DR88VIPER Starrunner wrote: Its always good fun to see under aged children trying to play a grownup's game. Eve/dust just happen to be one of those grownup's game, and just like real life the choices u make are permanent. Now i know its a hard concept to grasp for some adults let alone for 12 year old, but if u cant understand it then plz don't try to ** it up for the ppl who do get it. This goes for weapons, vehicles, respecs, basically everything. Crying coz u were to dumb to think what u really would want in the game should not be our problem and sure as hell should not be changed. Crying coz CCP balanced something and now ur not running the FOTM WHO GIVES A GO BACK TO COD!!! Crying coz LAV'S run over ur FOTM suit well LOOK BOTH WAYS BEFORE CROSSING THE FRIGGING ROAD. u guys made choices just learn to live with ur own stupidity. Furthermore for all NON EVE players out there YES this is a adept or gtfo universe, NO this is not call of duty or battlefield, YES eve life will be verry hard for u all, and YES CCP is doing a great job to really make this into something worth while. So now alot of ppl will go rage and keep crying about FOTM or not being able to get a frigging respect to join the FOTM-train, or what a terrible job CCP is doing, but i say F U ALL go back to COD and plz don't infest the beautiful universe of New Eden with ur stinking corpses. Every1 knows that dust is a part of EVE, and u all signed up for it, i'd say if u dont like it or cant stand the heat then GTFO of the kitchen. Oh yeah and for a change CCP really keep up the good work, stop listening to these cry babies who only want nerfs/respecs, or other non important bullshit. U guys have a great game and ppl just have to realize that its not done overnight. For all those who think dust is broken and CCP constantly fucks up i have one question ... Where are you're achievements in creating games??? any1 outside CCP who made a mmo on pc for 10 years now and connected it to a console fps ???? Any1 else even made a game ??? prove me wrong or just go back to ur pathetic COD. For evey1 who is having fun, who do make the effort to go for that second role, keep up the good work and someday we will be rid of those cry babies ! ! ! ! viper Haha.. nerd rage. Now let me tell you about EVE ONLINE. It's a dated game, with the pace of watching paint dry. Work to achieve anything? work? like not make real money at? If I wanted a bloody second job I would get one that pays. 10 year game? FPS games battlefield, socom, unreal tournament franchises** started 1999-2002. Yeah I'm sure they are dead. All of them are coming to PC and PS4. Dust514? ps3. Those are FPS games. dust is more than FPS?, yeah keep the hope alive buddy. Your controlling a first person shooter.
DR88VIPER Starrunner Neanderthal Nation 3	Posted - 2013.07.18 13:30:00 - [42] - Quote Lol what ... eve to hard for ya bro ... ya cute console kiddie
hamual jackson OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 30	Posted - 2013.07.18 13:30:00 - [43] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Always amazes me to see how up in arms people get against this idea Most who are against paid respec's are forum warriors, but same ones you catch in game using a lav to kill or camped in redline in game....
hamual jackson OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 30	Posted - 2013.07.18 13:33:00 - [44] - Quote Ark Angel Clone-A wrote: Quote: Couldn't agree more. Your mercs strengths, and weaknesses are a direct result of your choice. This choice is a core aspect to this universe, and influences your path through it. If you let people respec then it no longer matters. People will respect to whatever is OP/FOTM. If you think things like the Tac AR or flaylock are bad now, imagine how bad it would be if 90% of the population respec'd into them? I totally agree with him, everyone plays their own role on the battlefield and what you specced into was your decision. if you want to be something else then make another character or keep getting more sp on your main otherwise GTFO. what game are you playing, i see logi's with no repair tool. Dropships with no passengers. A heavy sentinal with a shotgun, "Roles" are there any in game?
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 726	Posted - 2013.07.18 13:40:00 - [45] - Quote You can sum up the vast majority of pro-respec threads into three segments. I want [insert type of gear] nao. Game is bad. Naysayers are [insert ad hominem remark]. It's really become the most boring topic there is. Go look how often CCP even bothered to directly reply to such threads...
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 827	Posted - 2013.07.18 13:40:00 - [46] - Quote Shion Typhon wrote: Just remember, every one of you respec-begging turdburgers is directly and personally responsible for everyone who was AR5 specced for TACs now being Flaylock5 specced for Core FLs. How? I'm interested in hearing the trail of logic you followed to reach this conclusion.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 213	Posted - 2013.07.18 13:44:00 - [47] - Quote I blame bad skill progression and lack of useful bonuses. Good skill progression is one where regretting your choice is only a small step back down the skill tree. That way the user doesn't feel like he/she has wasted his/her skill points (as much). In DUST, making a mistake and regretting your specialization essentially makes you start all over again; your SP is wasted unless you force yourself to play that specialization. The obvious result is posting threads like these. How would one go about solving it? Vehicle progression is a good place to start: To train HAV you need LAV 3. So, apply that to dropsuit progression: everyone starts with Light suits, before moving on to Mediums, before moving on to Heavies? Same for weapons. Now you might say "Yeah but look at HAVs, they're just as bad as heavies" but then I'd counter with "Perhaps, but every HAV specialist can also drive LAVs!" Guess what's popular in the vehicle meta? That's right. Murder taxis. Those that used to drive HAVs are only a hair away from driving LLAVs, so logically, many do. Apply that theory to dropsuits and weapons. If you've trained heavies under the new system, you've also trained mediums and lights, which means you're all set if the meta changes to Assaults or Logistics. And then asking for respecs doesn't seem like something you have to do anymore. So to conclude: It's all the skill tree's fault.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2013.07.18 13:45:00 - [48] - Quote Y u no farm SP for everything on your main char, so u are all classes. Yolo. -XOXO
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 827	Posted - 2013.07.18 13:49:00 - [49] - Quote Add a 6month cooldown on any aurum item offering a respec. That way, FOTM respecs will attract invitable nerfs, and those who use them will have gimped themselves for 4, maybe even 5 months.
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 154	Posted - 2013.07.18 13:50:00 - [50] - Quote hamual jackson wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Always amazes me to see how up in arms people get against this idea Most who are against paid respec's are forum warriors, but same ones you catch in game using a lav to kill or camped in redline in game.... For the record, I'm not necessarily against the idea of paid respecs per se. Although I do agree that it would be a smart form of revenue for CCP, and fully expect to see them at some point in the future, I believe we are not yet at a point in the game's lifespan that they are necessary. I also believe that, at this stage of the game, enticing and retaining NEW players is crucial, and full respecs would only discourage this, by increasing the gap between them and the pubstomping proto vets with a gazillion sp. The advantages these guys have over the new players would only be increased, not only because they could fully spec into any FOTM at will, but also because respecs would allow them to undo any mistakes they'd made along the way, and fully optimize and fine-tune their builds without a single wasted sp. Aside from that, I just think that most of the excuses that people give for wanting a full respec (such as boredom, or that they need to be fully maxxed out in a role in order to have fun or be effective) are just full of B.S.

Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood 263	Posted - 2013.07.18 13:56:00 - [51] - Quote I havent even bothered to read the thread after 'I HAVE 10 MILLION SP, WHY AM NOT GOOD?' 1. You need at least 15mil SP (Support skills included) 2. You didnt specialise. 3. lol 4. ?????? 5.PROFIT (Well for me anyway)
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 691	Posted - 2013.07.18 14:02:00 - [52] - Quote DR88VIPER Starrunner wrote: Lol what ... eve to hard for ya bro ... ya cute console kiddie Haha... I love my rig. been a pc player for a very long time. use it only for FPS, and horror games, (since consoles are scared of em. ha!) what else would I play on it? Ports? cause the console to pc ports are done well. Oh I know! maybe I can use my rig to mow the lawn by grinding in nerd fests known as korean mmo's. (dota I'm looking at you) is dota korean? doesn't matter! DOTA2 .....what was I talking about?
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 691	Posted - 2013.07.18 14:10:00 - [53] - Quote Sometimes I think I don't hide my dislike for grinding loving mmo's well. Define ATTEMPT. Define shut up.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3349	Posted - 2013.07.18 14:37:00 - [54] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: 10 year game? FPS games battlefield, socom, unreal tournament franchises started 1999-2002. Yeah I'm sure they are dead. Fixed. The original of each game you listed there IS dead. EVE Online is NOT. Someone who bought EVE Online on release day still has the game, and is still playing that same game today. They were probably playing it at least a few months of every year since purchase. Someone who bought the original Battlefield isn't still playing the original game. If they liked it, they probably bought the new games that keep getting released in the series, but they AREN'T still playing THE ORIGINAL GAME. Back on topic though, no. New Eden is about permanent decisions. When you decide to skill into something, that's a lasting decision. If the ever-fluid technology of New Eden adapts in such a way that your chosen skill is less valuable, learn something new. If you have an infantry and a vehicle role, and you're finding one of those roles stale, it's time to use the other while learning another role. If you find both stale, go ahead and take a break. Let your passive SP accumulate while you play something else. I don't always play DUST, but when I come back after playing something else, I always have a look through my skill trees. When they introduce new content that's directly competing with something we already have, or a new racial variant of an existing weapon, it's worth asking - or them offering - a one-time respec from the existing item into the new equivalent. When they remove an item and/or skill, it's fair to expect that skill - AND ONLY THAT SKILL - to have the SP refunded. When they make a complete overhaul to game mechanics across the board, it's worth asking for a full respec, but other than that ONE scenario, no. Other games do it. Those games do well. Some of those games do well for a year or two before fading away. DUST is doing badly, like EVE Online did badly when it first showed up. It's not great - yet. But it still has potential, and while there's a lot of room for improvement, there's also reason to believe that improvement is actually happening.
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 262	Posted - 2013.07.18 14:48:00 - [55] - Quote Now I want a respec for that lolCalAssault suit. Looks really nice. -XOXO
Vethosis Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 584	Posted - 2013.07.18 14:50:00 - [56] - Quote ChribbaX wrote: I vote no. Live by your choices skilling. Respecs only favors FOTM/FOTW/OP crap. /c actually I want to skill into scrambler pistols lel
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 692	Posted - 2013.07.18 15:02:00 - [57] - Quote @Garrett Blacknova Hence why I said also said that EVE is a DATED GAME. What it offers that no other game does seems to amount to RL work. But with out the RL pay. But we can go back and forth as to what really amounts to personal taste, so I'll keep my OP of eve to myself. on this thread at least anyway, At 12+mill sp. I could care less for a re spec. See I'm a RP, in FPS games. I usually stick to one role. My K/d is what I look at now, not sp. As my k/d goes up, so does my isk. and so does my awesomeness as a scout. But I see nothing wrong in stopping others who want it. changing your load outs on the fly and being able to do it from the start keeps the battlefield changing. a staple to fps games. so you see why a fps player would be for it. so far it's "accept the pub stomp" cause no one in your whole team speced into a effective counter to the roving tanks. The should grind to everything and welcome to new eden doesn't compute. Dust players get the short end of the stick. If your going to tout that dust is part of the eve online, then really make it so. Let dusters destroy eve ships. now... why you eve players shaking your head no?
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 156	Posted - 2013.07.18 15:09:00 - [58] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: ...changing your load outs on the fly and being able to do it from the start keeps the battlefield changing. a staple to fps games. so you see why a fps player would be for it. so far it's "accept the pub stomp" cause no one in your whole team speced into a effective counter to the roving tanks. This is also a pretty good argument for diversifying and speccing into a SECOND role, rather than using a respec to re-specializing into another, single, specific role. While there might not happen to be a specialized AV guy on your squad to take out that roving tanks, one or two guys with the ability to swap to their AV secondary fits could be a viable alternative.
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 264	Posted - 2013.07.18 15:13:00 - [59] - Quote Jaqen Morghalis wrote: Surt gods end wrote: @Garrett Blacknova ...changing your load outs on the fly and being able to do it from the start keeps the battlefield changing. a staple to fps games. so you see why a fps player would be for it. so far it's "accept the pub stomp" cause no one in your whole team speced into a effective counter to the roving tanks. This is also a pretty good argument for diversifying and speccing into a SECOND role, rather than using a respec to re-specializing into another, single, specific role. So, while you might not happen to have a specialized AV guy on your squad to take out that roving tank, but one or two guys with the ability to swap to their AV secondary fits would still be a viable option. Dude, because that second role takes MONTHS of grind to get it to competitive level. That's why you don't see everyone with second roles unless it's a bitter vet with +15 million SP. -XOXO
Cosgar ParagonX 2783	Posted - 2013.07.18 15:16:00 - [60] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: Jaqen Morghalis wrote: Surt gods end wrote: @Garrett Blacknova ...changing your load outs on the fly and being able to do it from the start keeps the battlefield changing. a staple to fps games. so you see why a fps player would be for it. so far it's "accept the pub stomp" cause no one in your whole team speced into a effective counter to the roving tanks. This is also a pretty good argument for diversifying and speccing into a SECOND role, rather than using a respec to re-specializing into another, single, specific role. So, while you might not happen to have a specialized AV guy on your squad to take out that roving tank, but one or two guys with the ability to swap to their AV secondary fits would still be a viable option. Dude, because that second role takes MONTHS of grind to get it to competitive level. That's why you don't see everyone with second roles unless it's a bitter vet with +15 million SP. -XOXO Too lazy to do the math, but you can get a proto swarm launcher at ~600k SP.



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