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Jaqen Morghalis
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Posted - 2013.07.18 10:31:00 -
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Duck Drahko wrote:How is that different to buying your way to 10mil SP? If the "grind" is so horrible, then it affects everybody, not just experienced players. If all you need to have fun is being able to play a new class, what's stopping you from playing it already just with lower skills?
This.
You don't need to completely max out a new weapon to use it. People jyst want to press the easy button and instantly max out a new role, rather than diversifying and earning a secondary role.
Chances are, even with a respec, they'd be spending most of their SP on the same core skills they've already got, so the grind is already half done. It's not like they'd be starting from scratch, at zero.
As for the "boredom" argument, after respeccing and putting all of their eggs into a different basket, they'll inevitably get bored again, and want another respec, again, and again. By earning a second role, the player not only gives themself something to strive for and work towards (which is the best way to alleviate boredom), but they also end up with TWO roles to choose from at any given time, which provides variety that can help to avoid boredom in the future.
Pressing the easy button with a full respec won't solve their problem, only postpone it. It is a band-aid, short-term solution that only addresses the symptom (boredom), but not the causes of the problem (lack of goals to work towards, lack of diversity in their skills). It is the carrot, without the stick.
Earning a second role is a more effective, long-term solution.
Besides, like my dear old Pappy used to say: "Anything worth having is worth working for". |
Jaqen Morghalis
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Posted - 2013.07.18 13:08:00 -
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The ironic thing is that, if all these people who have been asking about a respec for the last month or so had've begun speccing into a second role back then, and had spent this time grinding towards it, they'd probably have pretty decent gear by now, and be well on their way towards having two roles to choose from, you know, whenever they get bored or whatever.   |
Jaqen Morghalis
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Posted - 2013.07.18 13:50:00 -
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hamual jackson wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Always amazes me to see how up in arms people get against this idea Most who are against paid respec's are forum warriors, but same ones you catch in game using a lav to kill or camped in redline in game....
For the record, I'm not necessarily against the idea of paid respecs per se. Although I do agree that it would be a smart form of revenue for CCP, and fully expect to see them at some point in the future, I believe we are not yet at a point in the game's lifespan that they are necessary.
I also believe that, at this stage of the game, enticing and retaining NEW players is crucial, and full respecs would only discourage this, by increasing the gap between them and the pubstomping proto vets with a gazillion sp. The advantages these guys have over the new players would only be increased, not only because they could fully spec into any FOTM at will, but also because respecs would allow them to undo any mistakes they'd made along the way, and fully optimize and fine-tune their builds without a single wasted sp.
Aside from that, I just think that most of the excuses that people give for wanting a full respec (such as boredom, or that they need to be fully maxxed out in a role in order to have fun or be effective) are just full of B.S.  |
Jaqen Morghalis
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:09:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:...changing your load outs on the fly and being able to do it from the start keeps the battlefield changing. a staple to fps games. so you see why a fps player would be for it. so far it's "accept the pub stomp" cause no one in your whole team speced into a effective counter to the roving tanks.
This is also a pretty good argument for diversifying and speccing into a SECOND role, rather than using a respec to re-specializing into another, single, specific role.
While there might not happen to be a specialized AV guy on your squad to take out that roving tanks, one or two guys with the ability to swap to their AV secondary fits could be a viable alternative. |
Jaqen Morghalis
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:25:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Jaqen Morghalis wrote:Surt gods end wrote:@Garrett Blacknova
...changing your load outs on the fly and being able to do it from the start keeps the battlefield changing. a staple to fps games. so you see why a fps player would be for it. so far it's "accept the pub stomp" cause no one in your whole team speced into a effective counter to the roving tanks. This is also a pretty good argument for diversifying and speccing into a SECOND role, rather than using a respec to re-specializing into another, single, specific role. So, while you might not happen to have a specialized AV guy on your squad to take out that roving tank, but one or two guys with the ability to swap to their AV secondary fits would still be a viable option. Dude, because that second role takes MONTHS of grind to get it to competitive level. That's why you don't see everyone with second roles unless it's a bitter vet with +15 million SP. -XOXO
No, it doesn't, that's just an excuse and an exxageration, because you want instant gratification. So is your assumption that one can only be "competitive" with a fully maxxed out build (unless, of course, you have very little skill, and are completely dependent upon only the best gear to survive).
Most of your core skills (shields, electronics, engineering, etc.) would still apply to both roles, so the only "grind" would be to add the secondary weapon or equipment and/or maybe to branch into the appropriate Dropsuit to equip that weapon, if necessary (in which case, you could branch into a variation of your existing racial tree to save time).
Besides, as a SECONDARY role, it would not be necessary to be completely maxxed out to be competitive. You'd still have your PRIMARY role maxxed out and perfectly useable, while building up your secondary. As a SECONDARY role, you'd have to option to switch to it when necessary, or when you just don't feel like playing your primary role.
Eventually, it will build up and you'll have the OPTION of playing one role or the other, as appropriate to the situation, or the next time you get bored. |
Jaqen Morghalis
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Posted - 2013.07.18 17:00:00 -
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LongLostLust wrote:Game is boring due to lack of content. +1 for respecs. Why grind for a new role when I'm already bored due to grinding for my current one?
Respecs won't change this. Even with a respec, the "lack of content" will still exist, and you'll still be bored.
You'll just be bored and carrying a different gun.
Better to address the actual problem (lack of content) than to implement an ineffective, band-aid work-around for a symptom (boredom), IMO. |
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