Sounds pretty decent tbh.
I imagine some sniper will miss the part about 'better scopes' and fly into a QQ rage about being nerfed, though.

Buffed the part where i write BETTER SCOPES

+1

I've played quite a few FPS online games and out of them all I think Dust is the easiest game to snipe in because once you are crouched there is no scope sway. I think that being crouched should reduce scope sway but not eliminate it and I would be in favour of a system where you hold your breath to eliminate scope sway.

I might be wrong here but I've noticed very little if any difference between the standard rifles scopes and the advanced or proto ones. I think they could add an option to zoom or a higher magnification for the higher level rifles or something along those lines.

And before everyone starts QQing about me wanting to make sniping harder that is not my aim. If you are a skilled sniper these changes wouldn't make it more difficult, it would just involve using a little more effort.

Also snipers on the top of a hill should have a large neon green arrow pointing to their location because anyone who knows anything about sniping should know that you never stand on the top of a hill. Why don't you just wave and shout at the enemy so they can see you easier?

well the major difference betwen this and other games is that sniper rifles tend to be one shots in every other game out their.

this game expects you to be able to land 2-4 shots, some degree of increased control is to be expected.

Yesterday i played with an old alt, he is a sniper, i skilled into lvl.1 sniper rifle proficiency to be able to use all the rifles and ADV basic frame amarr because that alt is a lurid amarr.
BTW, i think sniper rifle should have a different mechanic:

• Always trembling (light)
• Hold your breath to delete the tremble
• Breath based on stamina, higher skill>>> less stamina usage
• BETTER SCOPES

I hope snipers will give their opinion on this,thanks

Yesterday i played with an old alt, he is a sniper, i skilled into lvl.1 sniper rifle proficiency to be able to use all the rifles and ADV basic frame amarr because that alt is a lurid amarr.
BTW, i think sniper rifle should have a different mechanic:

• Always trembling (light)
• Hold your breath to delete the tremble
• Breath based on stamina, higher skill>>> less stamina usage
• BETTER SCOPES

I hope snipers will give their opinion on this,thanks

Skyrim mechanics, we meet again

I'm all for better scopes, but -1 for sway.

Perhaps if a head-shot could actually kill in 1 hit. Oh, wait, what am I thinking? Of course the only way to a play a sniper is to run a Caldari Assault or Caldari Logistics so I can stack Complex Damage Modifiers. Oops, even with that it takes more than 1 shot to the head to kill prototype suits. even with 5 complex damage mods, proficiency 5, and the Ishukone Sniper Rifle, max damage is 609. Medium suits start with a base of about 300 eHP. 2 complex shield and 1 complex plate and you can tank a head-shot when i use 5 damage mods.

When the sniper rifles start to scale with suits I'll accept your "more interesting" changes. For now, I'll take my pubstomping Sniper Rifles that are nearly useless in Planetary Conquest as is. At this point, Sniper Rifles just need to be removed from the game and rebuilt from the ground up. Though they really aren't needed at all. Until players can see up to 600m away at all times and on all surfaces, the Forge Gun makes a much better anti-infantry tool than a sniper rifle.

-From the desk of Appia Vibbia, PC sniper for TeamPlayers

+1 of all ideas OP suggested but i'd like to iterate on bullet number three: "Breath based on stamina, higher skill>>> less stamina usage"

would it be like if one is running, see's a person and immediately crouches and aims, the trembling would still occur even as he is holding his breath due to his stamina?

Would every shot deplete a fair amount of stamina?



Why not? something like sway would add a layer of challenge.

Yesterday i played with an old alt, he is a sniper, i skilled into lvl.1 sniper rifle proficiency to be able to use all the rifles and ADV basic frame amarr because that alt is a lurid amarr.
BTW, i think sniper rifle should have a different mechanic:

• Always trembling (light)
• Hold your breath to delete the tremble
• Breath based on stamina, higher skill>>> less stamina usage
• BETTER SCOPES

I hope snipers will give their opinion on this,thanks

With these changes it will not be harder, it will be different and somehow better imo.
Of course all numbers must be balanced for the game.
When i say stamina usage i don't mean that after 1 shot you are out of breath and must wait, of course without ability you will be able to shoot less than with high level ability.
This will also prevent random snipers to be as effective as a skilled sniper.

"Add a layer of challenge" = Harder/more annoying.

Sniping is already "challenging" enough, with the crappy scopes, low damage, and inability to make micro-adjustments.

Wouldn't you like a better weapon but with a more "challenging" system?
I'm sure that you will have better chances to be good with a better weapon once you have mastered the system.

"Add a layer of challenge" = Harder/more annoying.

Sniping is already "challenging" enough, with the crappy scopes, low damage, and inability to make micro-adjustments.

Did you read my initial post where I said "I'm all for better scopes, but -1 for sway."?

Yesterday i played with an old alt, he is a sniper, i skilled into lvl.1 sniper rifle proficiency to be able to use all the rifles and ADV basic frame amarr because that alt is a lurid amarr.
BTW, i think sniper rifle should have a different mechanic:

• BETTER SCOPES, better zoom and drawing distance
• Always trembling (light)
• Hold your breath to delete the tremble
• Breath based on stamina, higher skill>>> less stamina usage
• Crouching drastically decrease stamina usage
• Add a minuscle dot, like the one of the HMG, to shoot while not ADS (missing a shot at 5 meters is stupid and not real)

I hope snipers will give their opinion on this,thanks

Hey another COD player, stop trying to make DUST 514 into the piece of crap cookie cutter game COD is.

It's okay End.
Right now sniper rifles have a "heavy" sway. Extreme egress of the reticule from the target before it finally settles, and is hard to counter with joystick/mouse inputs.
The OP is recommending to make it "light". Which gives reduced reticule egress, and can be easily countered with input.

To make the sight perfectly still, hold breath.

The sniper rifle is a light weapon after all.

Think Battlefield 3 aiming where you don't need to hold your breath to acquire your target, and you can easily do small inputs to adjust for the light sway. Unlike now, where the sniper rifle is always fighting you with it's sway, and you pay the price of MORE sway, just be wiggling your big toe.

Dust is the easiest game to snipe in because once you are crouched there is no scope sway. I think that being crouched should reduce scope sway but not eliminate it and I would be in favour of a system where you hold your breath to eliminate scope sway.

I might be wrong here but I've noticed very little if any difference between the standard rifles scopes and the advanced or proto ones. I think they could add an option to zoom or a higher magnification for the higher level rifles or something along those lines.

Also snipers on the top of a hill should have a large neon green arrow pointing to their location because anyone who knows anything about sniping should know that you never stand on the top of a hill. Why don't you just wave and shout at the enemy so they can see you easier?

That's not true: even with max proficiency (-25% sway) and crouched down, there still is some sway.

Before any fancy fixes, they need to fix the blue shield flare up I have had since 1.4 hit. Easy kils not registering damage. Thales and Kaaly are **** atm, maps where I can get 30-50 kills, not so much.... I get all the same shots and hits, just end product is a blue flare of **** coding.

There is always some initial sway, but he's saying there's no persistent sway when crouched, which there shouldn't be.

Even when crouched for over a minute, there still is sway. Even with proficiency at 5.

Where's that no "sway story" coming from? It's just not true!

There is no sway after a little time (less than a second at lvl5), maybe you are playing with an old DS3, my analog sticks are old and i can put them in running position without hold them, maybe the same happens to you.

Since 1.4 life has become harder for us, especially the new maps.

If you like to make sniping more realistics then we need:

• better scopes --> skillable
• different ammo types --> skillable
• a tripot extension --> skillable
• ammo capacity extensions --> skillable
• night vision systems --> skillable
• possibility to lay down

btw a general weapon fitting system would be cool.

then we can talk about sway and breathing and so on ....

Just tried it, and there still is sway. Perhaps it depends on the sniper rifle (I used a charge)?

Yesterday i played with an old alt, he is a sniper, i skilled into lvl.1 sniper rifle proficiency to be able to use all the rifles and ADV basic frame amarr because that alt is a lurid amarr.
BTW, i think sniper rifle should have a different mechanic:

• BETTER SCOPES, better zoom and drawing distance
• Always trembling (light)
• Hold your breath to delete the tremble
• Breath based on stamina, higher skill>>> less stamina usage
• Crouching drastically decrease stamina usage
• Add a minuscle dot, like the one of the HMG, to shoot while not ADS (missing a shot at 5 meters is stupid and not real)

I hope snipers will give their opinion on this,thanks

I actually support this...I read the title and thought it would be some QQ thread about snipers being OP