DUST Search - Change the sniper rifle

KaTaLy5t-87 wrote:

+1

I've played quite a few FPS online games and out of them all I think Dust is the easiest game to snipe in because once you are crouched there is no scope sway. I think that being crouched should reduce scope sway but not eliminate it and I would be in favour of a system where you hold your breath to eliminate scope sway.

I might be wrong here but I've noticed very little if any difference between the standard rifles scopes and the advanced or proto ones. I think they could add an option to zoom or a higher magnification for the higher level rifles or something along those lines.

And before everyone starts QQing about me wanting to make sniping harder that is not my aim. If you are a skilled sniper these changes wouldn't make it more difficult, it would just involve using a little more effort.

Also snipers on the top of a hill should have a large neon green arrow pointing to their location because anyone who knows anything about sniping should know that you never stand on the top of a hill. Why don't you just wave and shout at the enemy so they can see you easier?

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shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 319	Posted - 2013.07.16 08:30:00 - [1] - Quote Yesterday i played with an old alt, he is a sniper, i skilled into lvl.1 sniper rifle proficiency to be able to use all the rifles and ADV basic frame amarr because that alt is a lurid amarr. BTW, i think sniper rifle should have a different mechanic: Always trembling (light) Hold your breath to delete the tremble Breath based on stamina, higher skill>>> less stamina usage Better scopes I hope snipers will give their opinion on this,thanks
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 1992	Posted - 2013.07.16 08:40:00 - [2] - Quote Sounds pretty decent tbh. I imagine some sniper will miss the part about 'better scopes' and fly into a QQ rage about being nerfed, though.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 319	Posted - 2013.07.16 08:43:00 - [3] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Sounds pretty decent tbh. I imagine some sniper will miss the part about 'better scopes' and fly into a QQ rage about being nerfed, though. Buffed the part where i write BETTER SCOPES
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 69	Posted - 2013.07.16 08:51:00 - [4] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Sounds pretty decent tbh. I imagine some sniper will miss the part about 'better scopes' and fly into a QQ rage about being nerfed, though. Buffed the part where i write BETTER SCOPES And will still miss it XD But yea, me likes!
KaTaLy5t-87 Shadow Company HQ 77	Posted - 2013.07.16 10:12:00 - [5] - Quote +1 I've played quite a few FPS online games and out of them all I think Dust is the easiest game to snipe in because once you are crouched there is no scope sway. I think that being crouched should reduce scope sway but not eliminate it and I would be in favour of a system where you hold your breath to eliminate scope sway. I might be wrong here but I've noticed very little if any difference between the standard rifles scopes and the advanced or proto ones. I think they could add an option to zoom or a higher magnification for the higher level rifles or something along those lines. And before everyone starts QQing about me wanting to make sniping harder that is not my aim. If you are a skilled sniper these changes wouldn't make it more difficult, it would just involve using a little more effort. Also snipers on the top of a hill should have a large neon green arrow pointing to their location because anyone who knows anything about sniping should know that you never stand on the top of a hill. Why don't you just wave and shout at the enemy so they can see you easier?
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 585	Posted - 2013.07.16 12:38:00 - [6] - Quote well the major difference betwen this and other games is that sniper rifles tend to be one shots in every other game out their. this game expects you to be able to land 2-4 shots, some degree of increased control is to be expected.
Sgt Buttscratch Z.G.R.B 501	Posted - 2013.07.16 13:07:00 - [7] - Quote naw they already caldari'd the damage on them, revert them to 1.1 damage stats, make people render correctly, then GTFO the sniper rifles
Yokal Bob BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 41	Posted - 2013.07.16 14:59:00 - [8] - Quote If the snipers were one shot kills then that would be fine, however most take between 2 and 5 (proto with 3 complex damage mods) so sorry i have to disagree. I do like the idea though :) To be honest i actually like the scopes as they are, what is annoying is when you are following someone for a line-up, they have a tendencey to disapear from the screen. I have played quite a few matches now where everyone is nothing but a marker. But yeah i dont think snipers need nerfing or buffing, they are actually quite balanced
Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 200	Posted - 2013.07.16 15:18:00 - [9] - Quote This doesn't sound like a nerf thread I believe that this would improve the class considerably. Can you add a footnote to include better scopes on all other rifles with scopes?
Kadeim Third Rock From The Sun 20	Posted - 2013.07.16 16:09:00 - [10] - Quote KaTaLy5t-87 wrote: +1 I've played quite a few FPS online games and out of them all I think Dust is the easiest game to snipe in because once you are crouched there is no scope sway. I think that being crouched should reduce scope sway but not eliminate it and I would be in favour of a system where you hold your breath to eliminate scope sway. I might be wrong here but I've noticed very little if any difference between the standard rifles scopes and the advanced or proto ones. I think they could add an option to zoom or a higher magnification for the higher level rifles or something along those lines. And before everyone starts QQing about me wanting to make sniping harder that is not my aim. If you are a skilled sniper these changes wouldn't make it more difficult, it would just involve using a little more effort. Also snipers on the top of a hill should have a large neon green arrow pointing to their location because anyone who knows anything about sniping should know that you never stand on the top of a hill. Why don't you just wave and shout at the enemy so they can see you easier? Totally go against most of this...especially the top of hill part. A real sniper does to for height, as long as there is cover. It is almost impossible to find a sniper, as they are masters at blending into the environment. Furthermore, very few real snipers crouch, they are laying down, and have a tripod (small, adjustable for the terrain/positioning) to help keep steady. Also, snipers are teamed up and do not go solo. One-shot, one-kill! Otherwise snipers wouldn't be so feared on a real battlefield.

TheEnd762 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 89	Posted - 2013.07.16 16:32:00 - [11] - Quote I'm all for better scopes, but -1 for sway.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 209	Posted - 2013.07.16 16:36:00 - [12] - Quote nope
Reno Pechieu Algintal Core Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2013.07.17 00:06:00 - [13] - Quote If they implement the ability to go prone (as I hope they do), should have an effect. Using scope while standing up should have plenty of sway, while going prone should have very little. I also support better scope, the sniper-rifle is a precision weapon and more emphasis should be on headshots. Not sure how the 'hold breath' function would work? Which button are you suggesting should be used? IGÇÖm hoping the Left button becomes the (much desired) Zoom function.
LuckyLuke Wargan HavoK Core rise of legion 203	Posted - 2013.07.17 00:53:00 - [14] - Quote I like the current mechanic, but zoom is my only complaint about sniping, what shooter makes you snipe with your small dot at other tiny dots... It's just stupid, especially when you realise that body shots don't often do much damage to advance suits... I rarely die to snipers anymore as I have plenty of time to take cover when I see my shield go down... The ability to more easily pull of headshots would be a nice addition, easily fixed with zoom, a basic mechanic of most shooters... but CCP is so slow at understanding basic shooter mechanics 101 it gets frustrating.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 326	Posted - 2013.07.17 10:51:00 - [15] - Quote calisk galern wrote: well the major difference betwen this and other games is that sniper rifles tend to be one shots in every other game out their. this game expects you to be able to land 2-4 shots, some degree of increased control is to be expected. If you have ability at level five and most of the snipers have it, you will be able to shoot all your clip with a tactic sniper rifle (3 shots), if you are not slow as hell, then you have to recharge, it balance itself, not skilled snipers will not be as deadly as a skilled sniper.
Pandora Mars Afterlife Overseers 87	Posted - 2013.07.17 11:05:00 - [16] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Yesterday i played with an old alt, he is a sniper, i skilled into lvl.1 sniper rifle proficiency to be able to use all the rifles and ADV basic frame amarr because that alt is a lurid amarr. BTW, i think sniper rifle should have a different mechanic: Always trembling (light) Hold your breath to delete the tremble Breath based on stamina, higher skill>>> less stamina usage BETTER SCOPES I hope snipers will give their opinion on this,thanks +100. Always trembling but MUCH better scopes will involve more skill and... it's unrealistic and frustating they have such a broken scope right now.
Jackof All-Trades Bojo's School of the Trades 156	Posted - 2013.07.17 11:11:00 - [17] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Yesterday i played with an old alt, he is a sniper, i skilled into lvl.1 sniper rifle proficiency to be able to use all the rifles and ADV basic frame amarr because that alt is a lurid amarr. BTW, i think sniper rifle should have a different mechanic: Always trembling (light) Hold your breath to delete the tremble Breath based on stamina, higher skill>>> less stamina usage BETTER SCOPES I hope snipers will give their opinion on this,thanks Skyrim mechanics, we meet again
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 327	Posted - 2013.07.17 11:51:00 - [18] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: shaman oga wrote: Yesterday i played with an old alt, he is a sniper, i skilled into lvl.1 sniper rifle proficiency to be able to use all the rifles and ADV basic frame amarr because that alt is a lurid amarr. BTW, i think sniper rifle should have a different mechanic: Always trembling (light) Hold your breath to delete the tremble Breath based on stamina, higher skill>>> less stamina usage BETTER SCOPES I hope snipers will give their opinion on this,thanks Skyrim mechanics, we meet again How many arrows in your knee?
Poonmunch Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 103	Posted - 2013.07.17 17:15:00 - [19] - Quote I'm a sniper. I'm not really jiggy with any of the suggestions. The current scopes are fine (and add balance to the class). Munch
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 595	Posted - 2013.09.09 09:48:00 - [20] - Quote I want a more active sniper role, i don't like quick-scope, but i think that those changes are needed.

Hunter Junko Zanzibar Concept 174	Posted - 2013.09.09 11:24:00 - [21] - Quote +1 of all ideas OP suggested but i'd like to iterate on bullet number three: "Breath based on stamina, higher skill>>> less stamina usage" would it be like if one is running, see's a person and immediately crouches and aims, the trembling would still occur even as he is holding his breath due to his stamina? Would every shot deplete a fair amount of stamina? TheEnd762 wrote: I'm all for better scopes, but -1 for sway. Why not? something like sway would add a layer of challenge.
Cass Caul Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2013.09.09 11:59:00 - [22] - Quote Perhaps if a head-shot could actually kill in 1 hit. Oh, wait, what am I thinking? Of course the only way to a play a sniper is to run a Caldari Assault or Caldari Logistics so I can stack Complex Damage Modifiers. Oops, even with that it takes more than 1 shot to the head to kill prototype suits. even with 5 complex damage mods, proficiency 5, and the Ishukone Sniper Rifle, max damage is 609. Medium suits start with a base of about 300 eHP. 2 complex shield and 1 complex plate and you can tank a head-shot when i use 5 damage mods. When the sniper rifles start to scale with suits I'll accept your "more interesting" changes. For now, I'll take my pubstomping Sniper Rifles that are nearly useless in Planetary Conquest as is. At this point, Sniper Rifles just need to be removed from the game and rebuilt from the ground up. Though they really aren't needed at all. Until players can see up to 600m away at all times and on all surfaces, the Forge Gun makes a much better anti-infantry tool than a sniper rifle. -From the desk of Appia Vibbia, PC sniper for TeamPlayers
Ferindar The Malevolent Monkey Militia 47	Posted - 2013.09.09 15:07:00 - [23] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Perhaps if a head-shot could actually kill in 1 hit. Oh, wait, what am I thinking? Of course the only way to a play a sniper is to run a Caldari Assault or Caldari Logistics so I can stack Complex Damage Modifiers. Oops, even with that it takes more than 1 shot to the head to kill prototype suits. even with 5 complex damage mods, proficiency 5, and the Ishukone Sniper Rifle, max damage is 609. Medium suits start with a base of about 300 eHP. 2 complex shield and 1 complex plate and you can tank a head-shot when i use 5 damage mods. When the sniper rifles start to scale with suits I'll accept your "more interesting" changes. For now, I'll take my pubstomping Sniper Rifles that are nearly useless in Planetary Conquest as is. At this point, Sniper Rifles just need to be removed from the game and rebuilt from the ground up. Though they really aren't needed at all. Until players can see up to 600m away at all times and on all surfaces, the Forge Gun makes a much better anti-infantry tool than a sniper rifle. -From the desk of Appia Vibbia, PC sniper for TeamPlayers Agreed. Right now, I can't even OHK SCOUTS with a headshot anymore due to how good armor plates are getting. And I specced into Sniper Rifles for the sway reduction, which also helps when someone's trying to jump me and I can get a quick scoped shot on them. Contrary to popular belief, only proto suit snipers can really carry a sidearm, most snipers who stack Complex mods can barely fit on a Nano-Hive. Also, the Tactical Sniper rifle is made for getting headshots. The other rifles, more for center mass. I personally use and love the Charge, because it can be a terrifying weapon in the hands of a skilled marksman. That heavy in front of you suddenly dropped dead? It makes people think twice. (At least those who think.) If we get better scopes and a bit better balancing, perhaps we can have more sway. But right now, it's very easy to counter a sniper, especially on the new maps. An Active Scanner will tell you exactly where they are. Any AR will fire homing bullets if you get them in your crosshairs.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 321	Posted - 2013.09.09 15:12:00 - [24] - Quote no for this idea we already have a sniper rifle with a better scope.. the tactical sniper rifle..
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 598	Posted - 2013.09.09 15:22:00 - [25] - Quote Hunter Junko wrote: +1 of all ideas OP suggested but i'd like to iterate on bullet number three: "Breath based on stamina, higher skill>>> less stamina usage" would it be like if one is running, see's a person and immediately crouches and aims, the trembling would still occur even as he is holding his breath due to his stamina? Would every shot deplete a fair amount of stamina? TheEnd762 wrote: I'm all for better scopes, but -1 for sway. Why not? something like sway would add a layer of challenge. Good point, but i like the concept where stamina influences shooting, they should add a penalty on every weapon, but shooting should not deplete stamina. For example: you are running and you have half of the stamina bar, your aim should tremble a little more with every weapon, if you stop running and shoot while moving normally your stamina will regenerate ( if shoot would deplete stamina, it would be a little too much game breaking). Crouching should increase stamina regen rate. With these changes a sniper would be able to shoot while not crouch with more stamina usage and shoot while crouched with very little stamina usage.
Sgt Buttscratch SLAPHAPPY BANDITS 733	Posted - 2013.09.09 15:28:00 - [26] - Quote Before any fancy fixes, they need to fix the blue shield flare up I have had since 1.4 hit. Easy kils not registering damage. Thales and Kaaly are ** atm, maps where I can get 30-50 kills, not so much.... I get all the same shots and hits, just end product is a blue flare of ** coding.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders 1041	Posted - 2013.09.09 16:03:00 - [27] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Yesterday i played with an old alt, he is a sniper, i skilled into lvl.1 sniper rifle proficiency to be able to use all the rifles and ADV basic frame amarr because that alt is a lurid amarr. BTW, i think sniper rifle should have a different mechanic: Always trembling (light) Hold your breath to delete the tremble Breath based on stamina, higher skill>>> less stamina usage BETTER SCOPES I hope snipers will give their opinion on this,thanks I like it +1
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 452	Posted - 2013.09.09 17:41:00 - [28] - Quote We need better crosshairs! A vertical and horizontal line is needed.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 889	Posted - 2013.09.09 17:45:00 - [29] - Quote not sure why everyone wants to make snipers worse...I don't mind making sniping harder, but if you do make it harder then the pay off should be greater as well, this means if you make it harder to aim, and add constant rifle sway, then we shouldn't need to hit a target 4 times to kill them. also if snipers get more sway, the the same sway should be added to all guns, because trust me I find it very annoying that as a sniper I need to deal with the minor sway I have while the AR's have none. 1- add sway to rifles 2- increase daamge output on snipers by about 20% 3- add long range active scanners/marker to the sniper so we can start giving more info to the team.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 604	Posted - 2013.09.09 17:56:00 - [30] - Quote With these changes it will not be harder, it will be different and somehow better imo. Of course all numbers must be balanced for the game. When i say stamina usage i don't mean that after 1 shot you are out of breath and must wait, of course without ability you will be able to shoot less than with high level ability. This will also prevent random snipers to be as effective as a skilled sniper.



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