its not really a big problem as someone who uses proto forge guns and uses vehicles
the only REAL problem with them is the skyscraper/building they're standing on 90% of the time which makes
forge gunning easy mode as there's pretty much nothing that can stop them
since the ONLY way to get up there is via dropship and they'll just shoot it down on sight.

or you can try to kill him with a sniper but have you EVER seen a sniper kill a heavy in one hit?
and hes usually got a logi up there with him that can just rep him
so he can get back to his easy mode forge sniping.

the only way i see this being fixed short term is adding a ladder to every building so its at least possible to get to them
without a dropship.

long term i would love to see either stairs with all the climbing ability of a ladder but you can shoot people while
climbing them.

or an elevator just like a ladder but without the vulnerability.

i understand that this is in fact a valid tactic but my problem with it is it counters its only counters.

Team of snipers, Get 2-3 with proto guns and we can take Heavies down before they can rep.

Hahaha. It's just that easy.
Coordinate 3 guys with proto sniper rifles. Gee, why didn't anyone think of that before.

I think the real solution is mother ******* jet packs.

Hahaha. It's just that easy.
Coordinate 3 guys with proto sniper rifles. Gee, why didn't anyone think of that before.

I think the real solution is mother ******* jet packs.

When your in a good corp with good snipers, it can be that easy. But if we could get mother fracking jet packs, I'd be all for that also....

My corp sucks.

I don't think the answer should ever be "have a spare couple million skill points for the only 1 answer to the problem."

A decent DS can do a fly-by and drop people onto the building.

We want them nerfed cuz the only thing we hate more than foreguns in tall places is trying to stop them from getting there.

And a decent Forge gunner will never ever let that happen.

Do you fly dropships? Tell me how your 600k-1mil isk dropship does against a forge gun... bet it doesn't last more than 2 shots.

When you all are flying your derpships up to my position to take me out, do you come straight at me or do you even try to sneak around the backside?

If I am on a skyscraper looking over the edge down at an objective or tank, that leaves 3 other sides of the building that I cannot see.. and at least 1/2 the battlefield that is not in my direct line of sight. Yes I can hear your dropship, sometimes its hard to hear over the ambiant noise created by uplinks/nanohives sitting at my feet. Most dropships I see trying to counter my position just come straight at me.. no maneuvering.. no sneaking.. and generally very bad pilots who dont know how to quickly get in, land, and unload passengers. Do you run Afterburners and Thrusters (whatever mod that adds 10% torque)?

Someday CCP will listen to all your complaints and either nerf the forge gun, or nerf the ability to get up high, instead of buffing ******* dropships like they need to do.

This has never been about the forge gun... or people positioning themselves up on roofs... it when the two are combined that people simply throw their hands up and give up. More about people who dont think about that position when they enter a battle, and then get pissed off when someone else got up their and they have neither the brainpower, skill, ability or even willingness to go up there and counter it.

- Snipers? waaaah its too hard to kill heavy with a sniper. And what do you MEAN I should have another sniper.. that would be teamwork... whats teamwork lol that doesnt belong in a FPS game right?
- Dropships? waaaah forge gunner will just one shot me, whats the point?
- Fly your dumbass up there before they do at the beginning of the match? waaaah this tactic is lame, all I wanna do is Duvolle on the ground, why should I have to go up there and fight those noobs who will eventually destroy my team?
- Orbital? waaaah why should i have to waste my orbital on one guy destroying my team.. he is OP NERF HIM AND HIS BUILDING then give me cookies!

Sneak the DShip around? Well you must be a terrible forge gun sniper, you can easily see the RDV dropping the DShip off, puts you on high alert. Hoping you aren't paying attention is NOT a counter.

Sniping is inconsistent as you cannot get to equal ground so the forge can just pull behind roof edge. Plus you want 2+ snipers to deal with a poorly designed mechanic?

Orbitals are inconsistent at high altitude, they often will do NOTHING. Plus it takes time to get an orbital.

Getting up to the area before them is great as a preemptive strike but doesn't remove the fact that there is no real counter

They shouldn't nerf the forge or nerf the ability to get on top of buildings via dropships but need to fix a poorly designed mechanic. Give troops a way onto the roof and this tactic will disappear as forgers lose the advantage.

its not really a big problem as someone who uses proto forge guns and uses vehicles
the only REAL problem with them is the skyscraper/building they're standing on 90% of the time which makes
forge gunning easy mode as there's pretty much nothing that can stop them
since the ONLY way to get up there is via dropship and they'll just shoot it down on sight.

or you can try to kill him with a sniper but have you EVER seen a sniper kill a heavy in one hit?
and hes usually got a logi up there with him that can just rep him
so he can get back to his easy mode forge sniping.

the only way i see this being fixed short term is adding a ladder to every building so its at least possible to get to them
without a dropship.

long term i would love to see either stairs with all the climbing ability of a ladder but you can shoot people while
climbing them.

or an elevator just like a ladder but without the vulnerability.

i understand that this is in fact a valid tactic but my problem with it is it counters its only counters.

I cant shoot two dropships at once, ever think of that. But that would require teamwork and coordination, are you up for the challenge? Or do you feel you should not have to stoop to the low low levels of strategy, teamwork and coordination.... are you above that idea? Is taking the tactically advantageous highground beneath you? Based on all the forum complaining, it sounds like it might be.

Shoot if I keep giving you guys all my secrets I may actualy have to watch out on my rooftop in the future.

Come get some, my SMG is waiting for you :P

You'd rather waste two dropships trying to get a tower forge gunner than just pull out your sniper fit and kill him?

Lmao.

Good luck getting your ships up against an Ishokune Assault, 4 million ISK says any forge gunner worth his salt toasts two if not three dropships trying to get to him. I know I can do it with my basic Assault Forge.

Stop theorycrafting. Everything I have suggested you haters to try I have personally used to counter forge gunners. And others have used to counter me when I am forge gunning. Does it work 100% of the time? Of course not, but thats what makes a game challenging. You want to be able to counter the forge gunner/roof top tactic easily.. sorry bub, you may actually have to try a bit harder.

its not really a big problem as someone who uses proto forge guns and uses vehicles
the only REAL problem with them is the skyscraper/building they're standing on 90% of the time which makes
forge gunning easy mode as there's pretty much nothing that can stop them
since the ONLY way to get up there is via dropship and they'll just shoot it down on sight.

or you can try to kill him with a sniper but have you EVER seen a sniper kill a heavy in one hit?
and hes usually got a logi up there with him that can just rep him
so he can get back to his easy mode forge sniping.

the only way i see this being fixed short term is adding a ladder to every building so its at least possible to get to them
without a dropship.

long term i would love to see either stairs with all the climbing ability of a ladder but you can shoot people while
climbing them.

or an elevator just like a ladder but without the vulnerability.

i understand that this is in fact a valid tactic but my problem with it is it counters its only counters.

Haha I love that forge gun snipers defend this so vehemently.

NO STAIRS RAWR!!!

Dropships come in quicker? Still 15 secs unless you are 1 of the first to call in. You still have time to notice it, watch some tank snipers and you will see what I mean. Again you not paying attention does not equal counter.

I think we are talking about different towers as the ones im thinking of are the tallest thing in that map. Snipers cannot get on equal level.

I've still had inconsistency with orbitals at great height, perhaps you have better luck.

Again I'm not calling for nerfs I just want ladders and stairs, it makes 0 sense why all buildings don't have these.

You suggest to use two dropships to try and fly up to a tower forge gunner.

I suggest sniping him.

And I'm the one theory crafting?

Puff puff pass bro, you're preaching to choir. I've done just about everything there is to do in this game, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I've got a tad more in game experience under my belt than you.

Have fun though. And I'm not bitching, when have I bitched about forge tower snipers? If anything I've said it's the best part of 1.2 because of the sheer amount of laughter it invokes in me as I rain hell upon the foolish mortals below.

Get better with orbitals.

Forge guns need damage decay over a distance. Keep the splash radius, but lower the splash damage a little.

You heard it here folks.

The counter to tower forge snipers is in fact, orbitals!!

Praise be to ER-Bullitt, lord of all the tactix.

LOL... aww man, you done with your counter argument now?

Gonna pick pieces of my post and come up with a nifty little counter to make yourself look smart?

Dust Fiend, Mr. Veteran, you know I was responding to the guy who says he still has problems placing orbitals on roofs. Therefore he needs to get better. One orbital centered on a roof will take out everyone up there including all equipment. Happens to me on a daily basis.

Come on now, I never said that was the ONLY counter to the forge/tower issue you guys are having, but it is one of them.

Come on.

EDIT: Oh wait, before you say anything master Dust player extraordinaire.. I have admitted that yes, on a daily basis, I die to an orbital. I am sorry, but I realize I am a noob and only noobs die to orbitals.. please forgive me oh veteran of veterans. lol

Dude, my range is 300m. Are you saying you are too inept to call a dropship outside of the 300m range? And no, if you call in a vehicle in the middle of a battle it does not take 15 seconds.. try 5. Do you even play this game? These maps are like 1km long or more... wow.

Yes, I agree regarding towers you have no idea what you are talking about. Get good. I have given you noobs all the advice I can for now... the next step is for you to give me your account password so I can play the game for you while you watch.

Get better with orbitals.

Ladders, stairs, whatever you need to compete. Easiest fix to this consistent QQ is to buff dropships.. But then you tards will stil be too lazy to learn how to fly them or... wait for it... call them in outside of the forge gunners range. WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO GO TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MAP TO CALL IN MY VEHICLE? I WANT TO CALL IT IN HERE AND THAT BIG BAD FORGE GUN MONSTER KEEPS EATING THEM UP! DADDY HELPPPP!

You don't shoot a Dship as it is brought in, you see it and think hmm maybe I should watch out for that DShip. Seriously do you play the game? Haha. Still much longer than 5 secs I assure you.

Every other argument you didn't even refute so I'll assume by your caps you are just trying to SPEAK VERY LOUDLY!

You give plausible counters to the tactic but none of them are practical. I could just call in 10 DSHIPS to come get you too, losses be damned.

You and I both know you would not do this if you were more approachable. Get good at ground game!

And why arent they practical. Have you tried them? No, you havent... how do I know this, because if you were any good you wouldnt be complainig you would be out playing and practicing your DS piloting skills. 4 million isk says you dont know how to fly. I will gladly teach you.

My ground game is just fine, thanks. Sorry if I enjoy the challenge of different playsyltes and blowing **** up... its fun, gets me lots of WP and tons of ISK for my teammates so they can buy more suits and take care of the ground while I watch everything else.

Are you kidding me, I'm horrible compared to most vets. Still far better than most of the playerbase...somehow....

Anyways, I didn't say it was the only counter either. Just saying, blowing an orbital on a guy you could have just sniped seems.....pointless. Unless you've already won, then by all means.

I'm not counter arguing because I'm not arguing.

I'm just making points and having a good time, relax bro, it's a game.

Yup, forge gun rooftop sniping is SO challenging.

Don't know why your so against having stairs or a ladder to get to the top of ridiculously tall buildings. Your dropship would get you there faster, taking the ladders is asking to get sniped or shot down, and you sound pro enough to be able to adapt to there being a flight of stairs leading to your camp site.

Ive seen people blow orbitals on a redline rail tanker who is 2-0... Just because you arent getting 6-7-8 kills with your orbital doesnt mean it shouldnt be put to good use... and if that rooftop forge sniper is giving your team enough trouble, then take him out with whatever means you have available... or dont, and just continue crying about it.

I am pleanty of relaxed, its alot more fun to correct you noobs than actually do my job. Only a few more hours before I can make you all cry some more :)

Again while plausible an orbital is not practical. One must earn these and what do you do if you don't have one?

I'm sorry but paper route does not equal job.

Again while plausible an orbital is not practical. One must earn these and what do you do if you don't have one?

I'm sorry but paper route does not equal job.

I hate Forge Guns because they can pop out, hit my HAV, dealing well over 2k damage and quickly pop back in again and begin to charge another shot.

Of course this isn't a problem with the Breach, but with the Assault and Basic its pretty annoying, give it damage fall off, make it lose accuracy the longer a Charge is held, the Assault stats seem to be flipped, it does more damage than the Basic, and with a quicker charge time with the only drawback being a charge cannot be held.

On Mass Drivers its pretty much the opposite, Assault has a larger Splash radius but with less Direct and Splash damage.

So flip the Assault and Basic damage so it matches other weapons in the game.

or you can try to kill him with a sniper but have you EVER seen a sniper kill a heavy in one hit?

OBs are easy to earn, especially with the new 6 man squads, even with 5 players, all everyone has to do is earn 500 WP each, which is pretty goddamn easy, I got two with my squad today.

When you all are flying your derpships up to my position to take me out, do you come straight at me or do you even try to sneak around the backside?

You have to be a worthless player to NOT hear the map-filling god-aweful noise that announces to the entire universe "HEY! There's a dropship in the map!" and not look accordingly.

Even in my noisy HAV I always know when there's a dropship, and have never been surprised once.

You're a forgegunner just camping a roof, lord knows you are paying even more attention to your surroundings then some HAV on the move.

I hate Forge Guns because they can pop out, hit my HAV, dealing well over 2k damage and quickly pop back in again and begin to charge another shot.
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Of course this isn't a problem with the Breach, but with the Assault and Basic its pretty annoying, give it damage fall off, make it lose accuracy the longer a Charge is held, the Assault stats seem to be flipped, it does more damage than the Basic, and with a quicker charge time with the only drawback being a charge cannot be held.

On Mass Drivers its pretty much the opposite, Assault has a larger Splash radius but with less Direct and Splash damage.

So flip the Assault and Basic damage so it matches other weapons in the game.
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+1 for jet packs

So you hate challenge?

Watched a video from Hellstorm vs. Teamplayers.. two fully loaded dropships both land on the donut building at the same time, 5 proto suits hop out each and begin an epic battle on the rooftop... who will win? who will reign supreme over the vantage point? Commence the most epic close quarters confined battle in the history of Dust 514.

LOL not you obviously... you are headed straight to the MCC to afk camp OR.. go cry on the forums.

Its broken because you people REFUSE to do anything about it. You know its going to happen, you know if you let it happen your team will be at a huge disadvantage, yet you do nothing.

COD ---> that way