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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.15 18:27:00 -
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Forge guns are a completely different level above sniping, you are UNAPPROACHABLE because no dropship can get within your range or is shot down. Snipers are easy pickings.
This doesn't affect PC battles really so it's not the worst thing in the game but is terrible game design. Why is the only way on that tower a dropship? How did the builders build the roof?
Too many games do this, every building & I mean every building, must have a ladder or stairs that lead to the top preferably both. |
Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.15 18:43:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:TITANIC Xangore wrote:
When your in a good corp with good snipers, it can be that easy. But if we could get mother fracking jet packs, I'd be all for that also....
My corp sucks. I don't think the answer should ever be "have a spare couple million skill points for the only 1 answer to the problem."
Not only this but to snipe them effectively you must be of similar level or else they just retreat behind the edge of the building.
Also Uplinks pretty much means they can spawn there after you get tired of watching or an infinite number of times.
Plus you are talking 3 peeps to take out 1 guy, the rest of his team is either hunting you or is out winning the match. |
Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.15 19:14:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:When you all are flying your derpships up to my position to take me out, do you come straight at me or do you even try to sneak around the backside?
If I am on a skyscraper looking over the edge down at an objective or tank, that leaves 3 other sides of the building that I cannot see.. and at least 1/2 the battlefield that is not in my direct line of sight. Yes I can hear your dropship, sometimes its hard to hear over the ambiant noise created by uplinks/nanohives sitting at my feet. Most dropships I see trying to counter my position just come straight at me.. no maneuvering.. no sneaking.. and generally very bad pilots who dont know how to quickly get in, land, and unload passengers. Do you run Afterburners and Thrusters (whatever mod that adds 10% torque)?
Someday CCP will listen to all your complaints and either nerf the forge gun, or nerf the ability to get up high, instead of buffing ******* dropships like they need to do.
This has never been about the forge gun... or people positioning themselves up on roofs... it when the two are combined that people simply throw their hands up and give up. More about people who dont think about that position when they enter a battle, and then get pissed off when someone else got up their and they have neither the brainpower, skill, ability or even willingness to go up there and counter it.
- Snipers? waaaah its too hard to kill heavy with a sniper. And what do you MEAN I should have another sniper.. that would be teamwork... whats teamwork lol that doesnt belong in a FPS game right? - Dropships? waaaah forge gunner will just one shot me, whats the point? - Fly your dumbass up there before they do at the beginning of the match? waaaah this tactic is lame, all I wanna do is Duvolle on the ground, why should I have to go up there and fight those noobs who will eventually destroy my team? - Orbital? waaaah why should i have to waste my orbital on one guy destroying my team.. he is OP NERF HIM AND HIS BUILDING then give me cookies!
Haha you just set up all the reasons why forge gun sniping should be removed.
Sneak the DShip around? Well you must be a terrible forge gun sniper, you can easily see the RDV dropping the DShip off, puts you on high alert. Hoping you aren't paying attention is NOT a counter.
Sniping is inconsistent as you cannot get to equal ground so the forge can just pull behind roof edge. Plus you want 2+ snipers to deal with a poorly designed mechanic?
Orbitals are inconsistent at high altitude, they often will do NOTHING. Plus it takes time to get an orbital.
Getting up to the area before them is great as a preemptive strike but doesn't remove the fact that there is no real counter.
They shouldn't nerf the forge or nerf the ability to get on top of buildings via dropships but need to fix a poorly designed mechanic. Give troops a way onto the roof and this tactic will disappear as forgers lose the advantage.
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.15 19:36:00 -
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Haha I love that forge gun snipers defend this so vehemently.
NO STAIRS RAWR!!!
Dropships come in quicker? Still 15 secs unless you are 1 of the first to call in. You still have time to notice it, watch some tank snipers and you will see what I mean. Again you not paying attention does not equal counter.
I think we are talking about different towers as the ones im thinking of are the tallest thing in that map. Snipers cannot get on equal level.
I've still had inconsistency with orbitals at great height, perhaps you have better luck.
Again I'm not calling for nerfs I just want ladders and stairs, it makes 0 sense why all buildings don't have these. |
Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:02:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:
Dude, my range is 300m. Are you saying you are too inept to call a dropship outside of the 300m range? And no, if you call in a vehicle in the middle of a battle it does not take 15 seconds.. try 5. Do you even play this game? These maps are like 1km long or more... wow.
Yes, I agree regarding towers you have no idea what you are talking about. Get good. I have given you noobs all the advice I can for now... the next step is for you to give me your account password so I can play the game for you while you watch.
Get better with orbitals.
Ladders, stairs, whatever you need to compete. Easiest fix to this consistent QQ is to buff dropships.. But then you tards will stil be too lazy to learn how to fly them or... wait for it... call them in outside of the forge gunners range. WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO GO TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MAP TO CALL IN MY VEHICLE? I WANT TO CALL IT IN HERE AND THAT BIG BAD FORGE GUN MONSTER KEEPS EATING THEM UP! DADDY HELPPPP!
Haha I love you, easiest laughs ive got in a while.
You don't shoot a Dship as it is brought in, you see it and think hmm maybe I should watch out for that DShip. Seriously do you play the game? Haha. Still much longer than 5 secs I assure you.
Every other argument you didn't even refute so I'll assume by your caps you are just trying to SPEAK VERY LOUDLY!
You give plausible counters to the tactic but none of them are practical. I could just call in 10 DSHIPS to come get you too, losses be damned.
You and I both know you would not do this if you were more approachable. Get good at ground game!
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:36:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:
Ive seen people blow orbitals on a redline rail tanker who is 2-0... Just because you arent getting 6-7-8 kills with your orbital doesnt mean it shouldnt be put to good use... and if that rooftop forge sniper is giving your team enough trouble, then take him out with whatever means you have available... or dont, and just continue crying about it.
I am pleanty of relaxed, its alot more fun to correct you noobs than actually do my job. Only a few more hours before I can make you all cry some more :)
Again while plausible an orbital is not practical. One must earn these and what do you do if you don't have one?
I'm sorry but paper route does not equal job.
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:02:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:
OBs are easy to earn, especially with the new 6 man squads, even with 5 players, all everyone has to do is earn 500 WP each, which is pretty goddamn easy, I got two with my squad today.
Definitely, orbitals DO work but let's say you just used one what is the practical way to deal with these tower forge snipers?
The fact that you have to get an orbital to reach this person makes it impractical. One should not HAVE to use an orbital to deal with them...the building should just have stairs and ladders.
Apparently all the civilian/construction workers have jet packs in the future with no need for stairs but military must have banned jetpacks at the Hrober Accord. |
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