DUST Search - why do some people want forge guns nerfed?

DUST Fiend wrote:

ER-Bullitt wrote:

LOL... aww man, you done with your counter argument now?

Gonna pick pieces of my post and come up with a nifty little counter to make yourself look smart?

Dust Fiend, Mr. Veteran, you know I was responding to the guy who says he still has problems placing orbitals on roofs. Therefore he needs to get better. One orbital centered on a roof will take out everyone up there including all equipment. Happens to me on a daily basis.

Come on now, I never said that was the ONLY counter to the forge/tower issue you guys are having, but it is one of them.

Come on.

EDIT: Oh wait, before you say anything master Dust player extraordinaire.. I have admitted that yes, on a daily basis, I die to an orbital. I am sorry, but I realize I am a noob and only noobs die to orbitals.. please forgive me oh veteran of veterans. lol

Are you kidding me, I'm horrible compared to most vets. Still far better than most of the playerbase...somehow....

Anyways, I didn't say it was the only counter either. Just saying, blowing an orbital on a guy you could have just sniped seems.....pointless. Unless you've already won, then by all means.

I'm not counter arguing because I'm not arguing.

I'm just making points and having a good time, relax bro, it's a game.


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ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 82	Posted - 2013.07.15 18:49:00 - [1] - Quote When you all are flying your derpships up to my position to take me out, do you come straight at me or do you even try to sneak around the backside? If I am on a skyscraper looking over the edge down at an objective or tank, that leaves 3 other sides of the building that I cannot see.. and at least 1/2 the battlefield that is not in my direct line of sight. Yes I can hear your dropship, sometimes its hard to hear over the ambiant noise created by uplinks/nanohives sitting at my feet. Most dropships I see trying to counter my position just come straight at me.. no maneuvering.. no sneaking.. and generally very bad pilots who dont know how to quickly get in, land, and unload passengers. Do you run Afterburners and Thrusters (whatever mod that adds 10% torque)? Someday CCP will listen to all your complaints and either nerf the forge gun, or nerf the ability to get up high, instead of buffing ******* dropships like they need to do. This has never been about the forge gun... or people positioning themselves up on roofs... it when the two are combined that people simply throw their hands up and give up. More about people who dont think about that position when they enter a battle, and then get pissed off when someone else got up their and they have neither the brainpower, skill, ability or even willingness to go up there and counter it. - Snipers? waaaah its too hard to kill heavy with a sniper. And what do you MEAN I should have another sniper.. that would be teamwork... whats teamwork lol that doesnt belong in a FPS game right? - Dropships? waaaah forge gunner will just one shot me, whats the point? - Fly your dumbass up there before they do at the beginning of the match? waaaah this tactic is lame, all I wanna do is Duvolle on the ground, why should I have to go up there and fight those noobs who will eventually destroy my team? - Orbital? waaaah why should i have to waste my orbital on one guy destroying my team.. he is OP NERF HIM AND HIS BUILDING then give me cookies!
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 83	Posted - 2013.07.15 19:03:00 - [2] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: We want them nerfed cuz the only thing we hate more than foreguns in tall places is trying to stop them from getting there. So you hate challenge? Watched a video from Hellstorm vs. Teamplayers.. two fully loaded dropships both land on the donut building at the same time, 5 proto suits hop out each and begin an epic battle on the rooftop... who will win? who will reign supreme over the vantage point? Commence the most epic close quarters confined battle in the history of Dust 514. LOL not you obviously... you are headed straight to the MCC to afk camp OR.. go cry on the forums. Its broken because you people REFUSE to do anything about it. You know its going to happen, you know if you let it happen your team will be at a huge disadvantage, yet you do nothing. COD ---> that way
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 83	Posted - 2013.07.15 19:04:00 - [3] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sarducar Kahn wrote: A decent DS can do a fly-by and drop people onto the building. And a decent Forge gunner will never ever let that happen. I cant shoot two dropships at once, ever think of that. But that would require teamwork and coordination, are you up for the challenge? Or do you feel you should not have to stoop to the low low levels of strategy, teamwork and coordination.... are you above that idea? Is taking the tactically advantageous highground beneath you? Based on all the forum complaining, it sounds like it might be. Shoot if I keep giving you guys all my secrets I may actualy have to watch out on my rooftop in the future. Come get some, my SMG is waiting for you :P
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 83	Posted - 2013.07.15 19:22:00 - [4] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Sneak the DShip around? Well you must be a terrible forge gun sniper, you can easily see the RDV dropping the DShip off, puts you on high alert. Hoping you aren't paying attention is NOT a counter. - Mmk... have you payed in 1.2 yet? See how fast RDV's come in now... do you really think I am watching every spot on the map at all times? I'm not that good. I get hate mail all the time from people, so I must be doing something right. And I have been snuck up on by DS pilots... is it me who is terrible, or perhaps someone else /looks around Galvan Nized wrote: Sniping is inconsistent as you cannot get to equal ground so the forge can just pull behind roof edge. Plus you want 2+ snipers to deal with a poorly designed mechanic? - Yes, get good, stop being lazy. And no you are not correct, snipers CAN get to equal footing.. or higher elevation pretty easily. I do it to counter forge gunners all the time. Again, you are not trying or thinking hard enough about this. LOok at the map, open your eyes and use your brain. Galvan Nized wrote: Orbitals are inconsistent at high altitude, they often will do NOTHING. Plus it takes time to get an orbital. - wrong again... they have been fixed and work perfectly fine to take out rooftop nests after 1.2. Galvan Nized wrote: Getting up to the area before them is great as a preemptive strike but doesn't remove the fact that there is no real counter - again there are real counters, give them a try. practice... I certainly had to practice alot to be able to fly my dropship up to the spot as quickly and effectively as possible to not get shot down, crash, etc. And yes, I have been forge gunning for months this is nothing new to me... I am a practiced veteran at blowing all your ** up.. hate me, love me, dont care. Galvan Nized wrote:** They shouldn't nerf the forge or nerf the ability to get on top of buildings via dropships but need to fix a poorly designed mechanic. Give troops a way onto the roof and this tactic will disappear as forgers lose the advantage. - add a ladder, elevator, jet packs, I dont care. If you can honestly come here and say you have tried everything I have suggested and failed miserably and see absolutely no light at the end of the tunnel then please continue to complain in hopes that CCP "fixes" what you think is broken. Final thoughts, buff dropships please.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 85	Posted - 2013.07.15 19:31:00 - [5] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: You'd rather waste two dropships trying to get a tower forge gunner than just pull out your sniper fit and kill him? Lmao. Good luck getting your ships up against an Ishokune Assault, 4 million ISK says any forge gunner worth his salt toasts two if not three dropships trying to get to him. I know I can do it with my basic Assault Forge. I am offering you solutions to the problem you, and alot of other crybabies keep bringing up the forums. I am trying to help you, but troll along if you want doesnt matter to me. Here are some words/phrases that make me LMAO... "probably" .. "I will bet 4 million isk" .. "I will bet you you cant" .. "DUDE I BET HE CAN SHOOT OVER 9000 dropships out of the sky before"... alot of hypotheticals going on here. Stop theorycrafting. Everything I have suggested you haters to try I have personally used to counter forge gunners. And others have used to counter me when I am forge gunning. Does it work 100% of the time? Of course not, but thats what makes a game challenging. You want to be able to counter the forge gunner/roof top tactic easily.. sorry bub, you may actually have to try a bit harder.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 85	Posted - 2013.07.15 19:45:00 - [6] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Haha I love that forge gun snipers defend this so vehemently. NO STAIRS RAWR!!! Dropships come in quicker? Still 15 secs unless you are 1 of the first to call in. You still have time to notice it, watch some tank snipers and you will see what I mean. Again you not paying attention does not equal counter. I think we are talking about different towers as the ones im thinking of are the tallest thing in that map. Snipers cannot get on equal level. I've still had inconsistency with orbitals at great height, perhaps you have better luck. Again I'm not calling for nerfs I just want ladders and stairs, it makes 0 sense why all buildings don't have these. Dude, my range is 300m. Are you saying you are too inept to call a dropship outside of the 300m range? And no, if you call in a vehicle in the middle of a battle it does not take 15 seconds.. try 5. Do you even play this game? These maps are like 1km long or more... wow. Yes, I agree regarding towers you have no idea what you are talking about. Get good. I have given you noobs all the advice I can for now... the next step is for you to give me your account password so I can play the game for you while you watch. Get better with orbitals. Ladders, stairs, whatever you need to compete. Easiest fix to this consistent QQ is to buff dropships.. But then you tards will stil be too lazy to learn how to fly them or... wait for it... call them in outside of the forge gunners range. WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO GO TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MAP TO CALL IN MY VEHICLE? I WANT TO CALL IT IN HERE AND THAT BIG BAD FORGE GUN MONSTER KEEPS EATING THEM UP! DADDY HELPPPP!
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 85	Posted - 2013.07.15 19:47:00 - [7] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: Stop theorycrafting. Everything I have suggested you haters to try I have personally used to counter forge gunners. And others have used to counter me when I am forge gunning. Does it work 100% of the time? Of course not, but thats what makes a game challenging. You want to be able to counter the forge gunner/roof top tactic easily.. sorry bub, you may actually have to try a bit harder. You suggest to use two dropships to try and fly up to a tower forge gunner. I suggest sniping him. And I'm the one theory crafting? Puff puff pass bro, you're preaching to choir. I've done just about everything there is to do in this game, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I've got a tad more in game experience under my belt than you. Have fun though. And I'm not bitching, when have I bitched about forge tower snipers? If anything I've said it's the best part of 1.2 because of the sheer amount of laughter it invokes in me as I rain hell upon the foolish mortals below. I dunno where the thought process got lost here.. honestly no idea. 2 Dropships.. 1 as a distraction, the other loaded with whatever you need to kill the big bad forge gunner. Or snipe them Or Orbital Or get up there first. pretty sure that is what I have been preaching all along.... yet one of you blowhards still says there is no counter. Sorry you all look alike to me.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 85	Posted - 2013.07.15 19:54:00 - [8] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: Get better with orbitals. You heard it here folks. The counter to tower forge snipers is in fact, orbitals!! Praise be to ER-Bullitt, lord of all the tactix. LOL... aww man, you done with your counter argument now? Gonna pick pieces of my post and come up with a nifty little counter to make yourself look smart? Dust Fiend, Mr. Veteran, you know I was responding to the guy who says he still has problems placing orbitals on roofs. Therefore he needs to get better. One orbital centered on a roof will take out everyone up there including all equipment. Happens to me on a daily basis. Come on now, I never said that was the ONLY counter to the forge/tower issue you guys are having, but it is one of them. Come on. EDIT: Oh wait, before you say anything master Dust player extraordinaire.. I have admitted that yes, on a daily basis, I die to an orbital. I am sorry, but I realize I am a noob and only noobs die to orbitals.. please forgive me oh veteran of veterans. lol
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 85	Posted - 2013.07.15 20:12:00 - [9] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: You don't shoot a Dship as it is brought in, you see it and think hmm maybe I should watch out for that DShip. Seriously do you play the game? Haha. Still much longer than 5 secs I assure you. Wow, right over your head huh? If you know where I am, and you willingly call in a dropship within my range you are asking for it to be shot down.. and I will shoot it down. What I said was that you should consider calling in your DS outside of my range, which is only 300m (and if you havent already.. try hitting anything with a forge gun at 250+m, let me know how that goes if you are willing to actually try it before you complain about it) If you are only thinking about the time it takes to call in a vehicle at the very beginning of a PUB match, that is not what I am talking about. Try a PC battle where you will be the first to call in your vehicle, take out a stop watch and let me know how long it takes from when you click x to when that vehicle is in front of you. Galvan Nized wrote: Every other argument you didn't even refute so I'll assume by your caps you are just trying to SPEAK VERY LOUDLY! Ive offered as much advice and rebuttle as I can stomach for today. What I said about your knowledge of highground stands. You are doing it wrong, I know all of the towers in this game and the most popular spots for forge gunning can be countered by even higher ground. Open your eyes and look around, wont say it again. Galvan Nized wrote: You give plausible counters to the tactic but none of them are practical. I could just call in 10 DSHIPS to come get you too, losses be damned. You and I both know you would not do this if you were more approachable. Get good at ground game! And why arent they practical. Have you tried them? No, you havent... how do I know this, because if you were any good you wouldnt be complainig you would be out playing and practicing your DS piloting skills. 4 million isk says you dont know how to fly. I will gladly teach you. My ground game is just fine, thanks. Sorry if I enjoy the challenge of different playsyltes and blowing **** up... its fun, gets me lots of WP and tons of ISK for my teammates so they can buy more suits and take care of the ground while I watch everything else.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 85	Posted - 2013.07.15 20:24:00 - [10] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: LOL... aww man, you done with your counter argument now? Gonna pick pieces of my post and come up with a nifty little counter to make yourself look smart? Dust Fiend, Mr. Veteran, you know I was responding to the guy who says he still has problems placing orbitals on roofs. Therefore he needs to get better. One orbital centered on a roof will take out everyone up there including all equipment. Happens to me on a daily basis. Come on now, I never said that was the ONLY counter to the forge/tower issue you guys are having, but it is one of them. Come on. EDIT: Oh wait, before you say anything master Dust player extraordinaire.. I have admitted that yes, on a daily basis, I die to an orbital. I am sorry, but I realize I am a noob and only noobs die to orbitals.. please forgive me oh veteran of veterans. lol Are you kidding me, I'm horrible compared to most vets. Still far better than most of the playerbase...somehow.... Anyways, I didn't say it was the only counter either. Just saying, blowing an orbital on a guy you could have just sniped seems.....pointless. Unless you've already won, then by all means. I'm not counter arguing because I'm not arguing. I'm just making points and having a good time, relax bro, it's a game. Ive seen people blow orbitals on a redline rail tanker who is 2-0... Just because you arent getting 6-7-8 kills with your orbital doesnt mean it shouldnt be put to good use... and if that rooftop forge sniper is giving your team enough trouble, then take him out with whatever means you have available... or dont, and just continue crying about it. I am pleanty of relaxed, its alot more fun to correct you noobs than actually do my job. Only a few more hours before I can make you all cry some more :)

ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 85	Posted - 2013.07.15 20:26:00 - [11] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: [quote=Galvan Nized] You give plausible counters to the tactic but none of them are practical. I could just call in 10 DSHIPS to come get you too, losses be damned. You and I both know you would not do this if you were more approachable. Get good at ground game! And why arent they practical. Have you tried them? No, you havent... how do I know this, because if you were any good you wouldnt be complainig you would be out playing and practicing your DS piloting skills. 4 million isk says you dont know how to fly. I will gladly teach you. My ground game is just fine, thanks. Sorry if I enjoy the challenge of different playsyltes and blowing **** up... its fun, gets me lots of WP and tons of ISK for my teammates so they can buy more suits and take care of the ground while I watch everything else. Yup, forge gun rooftop sniping is SO challenging. Don't know why your so against having stairs or a ladder to get to the top of ridiculously tall buildings. Your dropship would get you there faster, taking the ladders is asking to get sniped or shot down, and you sound pro enough to be able to adapt to there being a flight of stairs leading to your camp site. Learn to read, scroll back through my posts.. I am all for you noobs having an easier time getting up to me since you obviously cannot, or refuse to, use the tools already at your disposal.. Come say hello to my SMG I will be waiting for you.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 86	Posted - 2013.07.15 20:29:00 - [12] - Quote Thansk for the link, love BFF.. great episode. Season 2 finale was the best when the lvl 100 colonel jumped on the chopper and knifed all of them, then the noob gets the kill when he C4's the chopper by mistake. P R O M O T E D
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 86	Posted - 2013.07.15 20:44:00 - [13] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: Ive seen people blow orbitals on a redline rail tanker who is 2-0... Just because you arent getting 6-7-8 kills with your orbital doesnt mean it shouldnt be put to good use... and if that rooftop forge sniper is giving your team enough trouble, then take him out with whatever means you have available... or dont, and just continue crying about it. I am pleanty of relaxed, its alot more fun to correct you noobs than actually do my job. Only a few more hours before I can make you all cry some more :) Again while plausible an orbital is not practical. One must earn these and what do you do if you don't have one? I'm sorry but paper route does not equal job. Galvin.. thats funny, paper route is my side job when I am not busy milking your mom. Straight up question for you. When you have encountered a forge gun rooftop sniper in game, what do you and your squad do to try and counter him? Give as much detail as possible and I will try and help you figure out what you are doing wrong. I am here to help you.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 86	Posted - 2013.07.15 20:46:00 - [14] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: I hate Forge Guns because they can pop out, hit my HAV, dealing well over 2k damage and quickly pop back in again and begin to charge another shot. Of course this isn't a problem with the Breach, but with the Assault and Basic its pretty annoying, give it damage fall off, make it lose accuracy the longer a Charge is held, the Assault stats seem to be flipped, it does more damage than the Basic, and with a quicker charge time with the only drawback being a charge cannot be held. On Mass Drivers its pretty much the opposite, Assault has a larger Splash radius but with less Direct and Splash damage. So flip the Assault and Basic damage so it matches other weapons in the game. Forge gun is supposed to give HAV's a problem. We are your counter. Next question please.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 86	Posted - 2013.07.15 21:11:00 - [15] - Quote One does not simply.... Deal with a forge sniper. Ok, enough with the silly "construction workers forgot to put in stairs" bullshit. If they add them, great! I will use your dead body to mop up the tears when I blow you up at the top of the building, just like I do when you are at the bottom. I will ask you, Galvin, a 2nd time.. When you have encountered a forge gun rooftop sniper in game, what do you and your squad do to try and counter him? Give as much detail as possible and I will try and help you figure out what you are doing wrong. I am here to help you.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 86	Posted - 2013.07.15 21:18:00 - [16] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: When you all are flying your derpships up to my position to take me out, do you come straight at me or do you even try to sneak around the backside? You have to be a worthless player to NOT hear the map-filling god-aweful noise that announces to the entire universe "HEY! There's a dropship in the map!" and not look accordingly. Even in my noisy HAV I always know when there's a dropship, and have never been surprised once. You're a forgegunner just camping a roof, lord knows you are paying even more attention to your surroundings then some HAV on the move. Have you forge sniped from a roof before?
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 106	Posted - 2013.07.18 14:24:00 - [17] - Quote LOL... no idea what YHBT means... and sorry, its kind of hard to infer sarcasm from anyone on these forums. You, as a forum warrior, should know this.