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Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2013.07.09 06:26:00 - [1] - Quote As I'm sure many of you have noticed that quite a few people aren't too happy with the Flaylock, but I don't think there are really sure as to why. Here is what we know, the Flaylock is a burst damage weapon with AoE abilities, low clip size, reasonable reload speed, low spare ammo, bullet travel time and bullet falloff, now on paper that sounds like a pretty well balanced weapon. But if you look pass the gun and look at the finer details of the game we can see the real balance issue, the skill tree. The slandered FL has a base damage of 218 and a splash of 195, with a radius of 1m and a reload of 2.5, now it's proto version has Dam of 239.8 and a splash of 214.5, a radius of 2m with the same reload speed as before, in my opinion, this is one of the only proto guns that is actually worth paying for. So, now that's out of the way, the problem comes from the skill that affects the FL's damage, FL proficiency. Now their is our culprit, at level 5 it gives the FL a 15% buff to damage, which looks like 250.7 base and 224.25 splash for the slandered, while the proto looks like 275.7 and a splash of 246.6, now if we add two Complex mods and the 20% bonus from armor damage, and well it just becomes a nightmare. But the worst part of all this is, that the FL doesn't have any real drawbacks for using it, only inconveniences, I'm not sure how, but I do know FL needs weakness other than range, which is the common problem for most weapons, putting the FL "ahead of the game". So, lets brainstorm on ideas on how to balance the FL, maybe it needs a CPU/PG requirement, maybe it needs a slower rate of fire, or maybe it needs more bullet travel time, let's figure something out?
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 478	Posted - 2013.07.09 06:28:00 - [2] - Quote Maybe it needs to be broke the **** to plasma cannon levels to make all these stupid bitches that specc'ed it just to go ez mode rage quit till they can spec the next broken weapon that makes them half decent.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 198	Posted - 2013.07.09 06:31:00 - [3] - Quote Maybe it needs 1 thread where everyone has already talked about it over and over again.
Cosgar ParagonX 2360	Posted - 2013.07.09 06:33:00 - [4] - Quote Just cut the ammo capacity in half and adjust the fitting costs. It could cut down on the core spam, which is what everyone is crying about.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 79	Posted - 2013.07.09 06:53:00 - [5] - Quote Lower base splash damage, everybody's happy.
Doyle Reese OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 253	Posted - 2013.07.09 06:56:00 - [6] - Quote there is no reason why splash damage is 98% of impact damage, that's just bad, should be around 50%, 60% tops. Also, RoF could be lowered a bit, I hate being killed by 2 Flaylock rounds because I couldn't react to the second shot after the first hit near me. But since CCP is reworking the entire hit detection system, let's wait until the the system is in the game and then revisit the issue.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 159	Posted - 2013.07.09 06:58:00 - [7] - Quote Doyle Reese wrote: there is no reason why splash damage is almost full impact damage, that's just bad, should be around 50%, 60% tops. Also, RoF could be lowered a bit, I hate being killed by 2 Flaylock rounds because I couldn't react to the second shot after the first hit near me. But since CCP is reworking the entire hit detection system, let's wait until the the system is in the game and then revisit the issue. Splash damage isn't almost full impact damage
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 479	Posted - 2013.07.09 06:58:00 - [8] - Quote fitting cost yes. Ammo capacity no. Just make it a non-burst weapon. Nerf RoF to **. The initial shot will help finish off an already damaged enemy, and it'll still be a great uplink killer, but no one will rush you with a ***** sidearm anymore.
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 479	Posted - 2013.07.09 06:59:00 - [9] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: Doyle Reese wrote: there is no reason why splash damage is almost full impact damage, that's just bad, should be around 50%, 60% tops. Also, RoF could be lowered a bit, I hate being killed by 2 Flaylock rounds because I couldn't react to the second shot after the first hit near me. But since CCP is reworking the entire hit detection system, let's wait until the the system is in the game and then revisit the issue. Splash damage isn't almost full impact damage On the core flaylock it's pretty damn close. Both over 200 I believe.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 144	Posted - 2013.07.09 07:05:00 - [10] - Quote For people suggesting making the CPU/PG cost higher it doesnt solve the actual promble with the gun,your just passing the gun around to who could use it exclusively.

Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 70	Posted - 2013.07.09 07:17:00 - [11] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: Splash damage isn't almost full impact damage 88.5% is pretty close considering you no longer have to hit directly. Personally I think you can keep the high direct dmg but splash should be reduced significantly. Definitely it needs a fix to fittings, it's completely disproportional to other sidearms.
Void Echo Internal Error. League of Infamy 396	Posted - 2013.07.09 08:52:00 - [12] - Quote same thing happens to every weapon used by the best players in the game, the assaulters cry "nerf" because they constantly get killed by one guy using this weapon while the other guy on the other side of the map completely suck with that weapon and can only get assists
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2013.07.09 15:30:00 - [13] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: Maybe it needs 1 thread where everyone has already talked about it over and over again. Oh, thanks for contributing, the exit door is right behind you, I'm sure you can see your self out. :)
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2013.07.09 15:32:00 - [14] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Just cut the ammo capacity in half and adjust the fitting costs. It could cut down on the core spam, which is what everyone is crying about. The fitting cost does seem rather low for it doesn't it, not too sure about the ammo part, any lower and the Minmatar bonus won't do anything.
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2013.07.09 15:36:00 - [15] - Quote Doyle Reese wrote: there is no reason why splash damage is almost full impact damage, that's just bad, should be around 50%, 60% tops. Also, RoF could be lowered a bit, I hate being killed by 2 Flaylock rounds because I couldn't react to the second shot after the first hit near me. But since CCP is reworking the entire hit detection system, let's wait until the the system is in the game and then revisit the issue. You are right, the splash is way too close to the base, I think 40% fair though, in my own opinion though. Mind if I ask where you got that info about CCP and hit detection?
Bob Teller Red STar. EoN. 25	Posted - 2013.07.09 15:42:00 - [16] - Quote Void Echo wrote: same thing happens to every weapon used by the best players in the game, the assaulters cry "nerf" because they constantly get killed by one guy using this weapon while the other guy on the other side of the map completely suck with that weapon and can only get assists I love how flaylock users think they are now the BEST PLAYERS IN THE GAME because they can kill anyone in less then 2seconds with their broken flaylock;).The tears of the flaylock gang will be so sweet after the nerf.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 294	Posted - 2013.07.09 15:47:00 - [17] - Quote Absoliav wrote: Doyle Reese wrote: there is no reason why splash damage is almost full impact damage, that's just bad, should be around 50%, 60% tops. Also, RoF could be lowered a bit, I hate being killed by 2 Flaylock rounds because I couldn't react to the second shot after the first hit near me. But since CCP is reworking the entire hit detection system, let's wait until the the system is in the game and then revisit the issue. You are right, the splash is way too close to the base, I think 40% fair though, in my own opinion though. Mind if I ask where you got that info about CCP and hit detection? Here ... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1028825#post1028825
J3f3r20n Gh057 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 22	Posted - 2013.07.09 16:06:00 - [18] - Quote Why Flaylocks? Why CCP, Why? We already have Mass Driver that is hard to deal with (no cry), the Flaylock is just a way to play the MD way without losing your Light Weapon....
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 722	Posted - 2013.07.09 16:20:00 - [19] - Quote Every gun has proficiency, its not the issue at all. Its the fact that core flaylock has 2.5x the blast radius as the std version. Name me another gun that is 2.5x as effective between std to proto? None... Normalize splash radius to 1.5m. Decrease splash damage by 40% Change FP Op to increase splash damage by 5% per level. yay balance.
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 190	Posted - 2013.07.09 16:26:00 - [20] - Quote Absoliav wrote: As I'm sure many of you have noticed that quite a few people aren't too happy with the Flaylock, but I don't think there are really sure as to why. Here is what we know, the Flaylock is a burst damage weapon with AoE abilities, low clip size, reasonable reload speed, low spare ammo, bullet travel time and bullet falloff, now on paper that sounds like a pretty well balanced weapon. You can basically stop with "burst damage weapon with AoE abilities." The burst is sufficient to kill many people in 2 shots, nevermind 3, or the fact that its a sidearm and you can carry another weapon or a second flaylock. You could give it a 30 second reload if you wanted, it wouldn't matter that much.

Blind Cat DUST University Ivy League 3	Posted - 2013.07.09 16:53:00 - [21] - Quote switch vehicle resistance shield 40% armor 70% with infantry shield 70% armor 135% ? and make it an av weapon
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2013.07.09 17:12:00 - [22] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: Absoliav wrote: Doyle Reese wrote: there is no reason why splash damage is almost full impact damage, that's just bad, should be around 50%, 60% tops. Also, RoF could be lowered a bit, I hate being killed by 2 Flaylock rounds because I couldn't react to the second shot after the first hit near me. But since CCP is reworking the entire hit detection system, let's wait until the the system is in the game and then revisit the issue. You are right, the splash is way too close to the base, I think 40% fair though, in my own opinion though. Mind if I ask where you got that info about CCP and hit detection? Here ... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1028825#post1028825 Thanks, I hope hit detection gets better soon, again thanks for the link!
WUT ANG D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 15	Posted - 2013.07.09 17:23:00 - [23] - Quote The flaylock should have the same reload style as the plasma cannon and reduce the clip size to one as well its a missle shooting pistol I think that might give it more balance.
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2013.07.09 17:25:00 - [24] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Every gun has proficiency, its not the issue at all. Its the fact that core flaylock has 2.5x the blast radius as the std version. Name me another gun that is 2.5x as effective between std to proto? None... Normalize splash radius to 1.5m. Decrease splash damage by 40% Change FP Op to increase splash damage by 5% per level. yay balance. I'm sorry, I explained it wrong, the proficiency isn't the problem, it's how damage stacking works with the FL so well that's the problem, proficiency is only a part of it, the FL's damage is just too good for the amount of damage without damage buffs from mods/skills. Changing OP into splash damage sound like a pretty cool idea, but I'm not too on the reduced radius though, and by that, I mean how much of an impact it would have on the effectiveness of the FL it would have, the last thing I would like to see is, it not being effective in it area of expertise.
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2013.07.09 17:28:00 - [25] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: Absoliav wrote: As I'm sure many of you have noticed that quite a few people aren't too happy with the Flaylock, but I don't think there are really sure as to why. Here is what we know, the Flaylock is a burst damage weapon with AoE abilities, low clip size, reasonable reload speed, low spare ammo, bullet travel time and bullet falloff, now on paper that sounds like a pretty well balanced weapon. You can basically stop with "burst damage weapon with AoE abilities." The burst is sufficient to kill many people in 2 shots, nevermind 3, or the fact that its a sidearm and you can carry another weapon or a second flaylock. You could give it a 30 second reload if you wanted, it wouldn't matter that much. Um, the idea isn't to give it a "30 second reload", the idea is to find a sound way to balanced it so that carrying two FLs isn't a smart idea.
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2013.07.09 17:30:00 - [26] - Quote WUT ANG wrote: The flaylock should have the same reload style as the plasma cannon and reduce the clip size to one as well its a missle shooting pistol I think that might give it more balance. That does sound like it would work, but it also sounds like a huge blow to it's effectiveness, it would need something to make up for it's new weakness.
Superluminal Replicant Planetary Response Organization 93	Posted - 2013.07.09 17:49:00 - [27] - Quote Yeah lets nerf another weapon into oblivion so this game truly can be assaultrifle514 which it pretty much already is.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 166	Posted - 2013.07.09 17:52:00 - [28] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: Doyle Reese wrote: there is no reason why splash damage is almost full impact damage, that's just bad, should be around 50%, 60% tops. Also, RoF could be lowered a bit, I hate being killed by 2 Flaylock rounds because I couldn't react to the second shot after the first hit near me. But since CCP is reworking the entire hit detection system, let's wait until the the system is in the game and then revisit the issue. Splash damage isn't almost full impact damage On the core flaylock it's pretty damn close. Both over 200 I believe. You should really at least look at the stats before making random statements that are wrong
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 166	Posted - 2013.07.09 17:52:00 - [29] - Quote WUT ANG wrote: The flaylock should have the same reload style as the plasma cannon and reduce the clip size to one as well its a missle shooting pistol I think that might give it more balance. In short, you want to make sure it can't ever kill anything but scouts if it gets a lucky shot...you sound like a very reasonable person
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2013.07.09 17:56:00 - [30] - Quote Superluminal Replicant wrote: Yeah lets nerf another weapon into oblivion so this game truly can be assaultrifle514 which it pretty much already is. I don't want to get started on the balance issues with the assault rifle, I don't want the FL nerfed, I want it fix'd, there is a difference, nerf would mean be 150 direct damage on a proto FL, and anyone who agrees with such an idea should rethink things.



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