He is right, you only get one or the other, not both.

Right...so if you're right, OHKs are impossible with the flaylock

Argument for what?

When I ran flaylocks I never fitted any damage mods...still got OHKs against scouts and badly fit non-proto suits if I got a direct hit. That wouldn't have been possible if the max damage for a direct hit is a mere 240. In short, the guy saying the difference between direct hit and splash is only around 20 dps is simply wrong

By the way, I now mostly run proto scrambler pistols...if you can aim, they're just as deadly...and more effective at range because shots connect quicker. Proto SMGs are godly too.

Again, if he's right, ppl couldn't complain about OHK given the max damage output is a mere 240 per shot.

You are aware that a FL can shoot all three shots before you even know where there coming from, right?
It's not that hard, which is the main problem with the FL, they don't magically kill things with one shot, if you shoot any advance suit(other than a Light Suit) with a FL, they will not go down in one shot, the FL can shoot three shots that can do over 200 damage, that's what kills people, this is with out damage mods or skills being applied.

The reality of the flaylock issue is we are all playing dust but want the call of duty experience. Ccp is trying to create a universe where anything goes. And they are successful in doing that. But the op'ness of the flaylock is contrary to the base demogeaphic prefference which should be the core of the experience. Glory to the rifle!

At which point he has to reload and is out of the game for a bit...during which time most opponents can continue to fire at the flaylocker. Not only that, you can't balance a proto weapon against advanced or light suits.

That's exactly the thing...they mostly complain about a PROTO weapon's damage output against mostly non-proto suits. They also don't compare the stats against other proto sidearms.

I was an SMG knifer before the respec, both proto, both godly against pretty much everything non proto. They're both still good against proto suits and don't really feel underpowered. After the respec, I did the same for the flaylock and scrambler pistol. Once you get the hang of aiming and realise the SP is more effective at range, you realise that the proto SP is just as deadly as the proto flaylock.

You just see more people speccing into proto flaylocks because it's a new gun and it's getting a lot of hype. If they nerf it like they did to the MD, ppl will switch to the SP or SMG....both of which will then be called OP at proto level. And the cycle continues i

To those saying "oh, but what about those running dual flaylocks"...well...have you tried dual proto SMGs? The amount of shots you have (and at close range you don't even need to aim well) is amazing. Same goes for dual SPs, the damage output is outright scary. But in all those cases you sacrifice range or suffer from other drawbacks, sometimes multiple drawbacks.

If I go from standard AR to proto AR, my gun is like 10-15% better. If I go from standard forge to proto forge, my gun is like 20% better. If I go from standard scrambler to proto scrambler my gun is 10-15% better.

If I go from standard flaylock to proto flaylock my gun is like 200% better.

Hmmmm.

I agree with you, we shouldn't nerf weapons just because we don't like them/latest trend, as you said, all weapons in the game have some sort of balancing point that limits it to considerable degree, but the only one that doesn't is the FL.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1014022#post1014022

Ill just leave this here.. to verify who is right.

But it has! Clip size, range, arc, bullet travel time...those are all downsides.

Also, ppl mostly seem to have an issue with the core flaylock only...which is because it's a PROTO gun, it's supposed to slaughter non-proto gear. It doesn't do that to proto suits that are properly fit.

But it has! Clip size, range, arc, bullet travel time...those are all downsides.

Also, ppl mostly seem to have an issue with the core flaylock only...which is because it's a PROTO gun, it's supposed to slaughter non-proto gear. It doesn't do that to proto suits that are properly fit.

Just remove this cheesy ass weapon

Whatever... 3 shots with prof 3 and 2 complex sidearm mods is still 600-700 damage. A cal logi can barely withstand that, until they swap guns or toss a fused locus nade.

Not even shield tankers can do anything against a skilled player using 1-2 FPs.

If you can't kill anyone in less than 2s at 20m with a core flaylock its because you lack skill.

Whatever... 3 shots with prof 3 and 2 complex sidearm mods is still 600-700 damage. A cal logi can barely withstand that, until they swap guns or toss a fused locus nade.

Not even shield tankers can do anything against a skilled player using 1-2 FPs.

If you can't kill anyone in less than 2s at 20m with a core flaylock its because you lack skill.

At 167 damage to shields, 3 DIRECT HITS would deal 751.5 if using mods and with proficiency 5. So yeah, you could kill almost anyone with 3 shots... if they all land... and they don't see you first since you just sacrificed survivability so you could 3 shot proto suits.

We call them glass cannons, it's a form of min-maxing, not necessarily OP, since it does have counters

A player would be a glass cannon if he were running a light suit, but but the people using proto FLs aren't , these cannons are made of sterner stuff.

how about make the splash damage extend to the edge of the blast radius and it gets weaker the longer the shock wave travels. im sure that would make total sence and fix any blast radius and splash damage issues