The redline represents "the front". The front is that point where you just can't push any further because the enemy is sitting en masse.

You can't have hundreds of troops et al in this game without it lagging hence the virtual redline.

That redline is needed considering in a real war you wounldn't just have people leaping and bounding right on over to your side or tearassing around in LAV and surviving long enough to actually put the hurt on you.

If they made this game more realistic in the ease with which one could die and NOT come back to the game then maybe you could get rid of the virtual redline.

I like that there is a place on the very small maps to stage from. You have to have a safe staging area well behind enemy lines. Since we can't get well behind enemy lines this is a work around for it.

The problem with your argument is that you're comparing red-line sniper tanks (which are impossible to shoot) to Howitzers and artillery, which isn't what they are. They are tanks, suited with turrets that are designed to take out enemies at long range, but not to cheat by sitting behind their red line where absolutely NO ONE can reach them, and use their overly powered range to their advantage. If you want to sit behind the redline then fine, but the least that needs to be done is a reduction to the railgun range, because when i am being shot 1,500 meters in the air and 2000 meters across the map, there is something severely wrong here. Howitzers don't attack helicopters either, so seriously, get rid of your idea that "this is war" and they are "howitzers", because this is Dust 514, and the devs have proven they have a long way to go before they address all of the issues surrounding un-balanced and un-fair gameplay. The reason people have no room to QQ about bringing back redline shooting is because it's a feature that is easily considered abuse of the game. No one can reach those tanks, and the only reason they sit back there is because they know that their range is extremely over powered for the damage they are able to do at such a long range, it's an abusive tactic and there's no doubt in my mind that that kind of behavior is just taking advantage of a mis-coding in CCP's script.

What's new about this again?

The most broken part about it is they are basically immune to being killed, except for maybe a lucky orbital. Anything else, they just roll back behind their little mountain and recall.

CCP doesn't actually intend for Dropships to be used in normal games.

the more i think about tanks, the more i tend to think having long range turrets for them is a crappy idea.

Maybe you should post another fat block of text whine that has no basis in reality. -1
JLav is exactly correct in his position. Opinions are a dime a dozen but your argument in support of your opinion isn't worth the dime

I want bigger maps.. If the MCC spawn was an entire valley away from the nearest objective, nobody would hang out in the red line because they wouldn't be able to hit anything from it. Also, LAVs and dropships would actually be needed for their primary purpose: transport. Also, if the objectives were in entirely different valleys then this would give a DS pilot options. If it's too hot over at A, fly over to B which is entirely out of sight and out of range of A.

If this happened, I would support buffing tank health. As is, a tank out of the red line is likely going to die by my dropship (fully skilled out missile launchers / ADS skill + 2 proto damage mods), but a tank in the red line will just infuriate me. Opening the maps up so that red lines are no longer an issue would make tanks sitting ducks, so they'd need a larger buffer to run to cover or higher reps to be able to tank the damage (but not both, they would have to consciously choose between buffer and rep).

Weapon locks in the redline fixes redline snipers and rail tanks.

What i find even more humiliating to certain corps is that in literally every single PC i have participated in, factions like ILL OMENS, Synergy, and a few more i can't remember at this time have all used red-line sniper tanks during the PC matches. That's one thing i hate most about those "top corporations" the only reason many of them are at the top is because they understand the overpowered items and use them with 0 humility or understanding that it's completely unfair. And i know all they would say to that is "tough ****, we are the best because we don't consider right and wrong", but a corp that knows what's completely unfair and choses to say "i don't think we will participate in that" is really a corp that deserves to be on top.

Look at it this way:
The fact that corps abuse everything mercilessly means that looking at a corp vs corp game will show you the imbalanced aspects of the game.
Preventing "cheap" tactics is the responsibility of the game/developers, not the players.
The players shouldn't be responsible for making the game playable by artificially creating rules that might not even be clear cut or possible to enforce.

So, basically, I'm all for abusing the **** out of the entire game. A good game will get more interesting if you use all tactics - A bad game will get boring. Some of the best games got that way because people started abusing minor bugs, for example.
If no one ever abuses anything, the game will not get better. Because the issues won't become known.
That's why multiplayer games have rather short patch cycles.

I really hope CCP takes a look at high-level play. THAT is where the truth of balance comes to light, not in forums.


To be fair, low-level balance is different from high-level balance and the former might suffer from the latter. But that concern should be secondary, as higher high-level balance makes the game more enjoyable the more you play, while a focus on low-level balance makes the game more annoying the better you get.


Personally, I have trouble wrapping my head around dropship controls. I really wish there was some kind of offline test map for training.

read a lot of this lately and i have a simple fix:

Set weapons safety automatically to "on" while in the red zone. Done. have a nice day.


got red lined, not much you are going to be able to do any way since you in fact got your a$$ handed to you which put you in the red line