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Shavan D Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.07.04 23:38:00 - [1] - Quote The most powerful forge gun can do over 2000 damage, the user is also hard to find.
Void Echo Internal Error. 331	Posted - 2013.07.04 23:40:00 - [2] - Quote Shavan D wrote: The most powerful forge gun can do over 2000 damage, the user is also hard to find. the user is illuminated by the charge up so it is not hard to find, but the prototype is more powerful than the prototype rail gun which doesn't make any sense
Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 131	Posted - 2013.07.04 23:42:00 - [3] - Quote Due to the name of the thread, you are the biggest target for people who like to say "OP is QQing" and the like... From the sounds of it, you're new, things will get better for you. However if you are a dropship pilot, you are forever doomed.
aden slayer Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 517	Posted - 2013.07.04 23:42:00 - [4] - Quote It's supposed to be OP. It's designed as an anti-tank weapon.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 700	Posted - 2013.07.04 23:46:00 - [5] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Shavan D wrote: The most powerful forge gun can do over 2000 damage, the user is also hard to find. the user is illuminated by the charge up so it is not hard to find, but the prototype is more powerful than the prototype rail gun which doesn't make any sense but they don't illuminate for the vehicle driver/pilot.
Remm Duchax ParagonX 48	Posted - 2013.07.05 00:12:00 - [6] - Quote Ishukone Assault Forge Gun FTW! Death to everything that drives and flies. Oh, hey, it also works wonderful on those annoying Proto bastards with 600 HP shields on their Caldari Logi!
Nelo Angel0 The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 85	Posted - 2013.07.05 00:14:00 - [7] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Shavan D wrote: The most powerful forge gun can do over 2000 damage, the user is also hard to find. the user is illuminated by the charge up so it is not hard to find, but the prototype is more powerful than the prototype rail gun which doesn't make any sense And the installations are weaker then ether of them. Tankers should be glad there's no proto breach.
Void Echo Internal Error. 332	Posted - 2013.07.05 00:22:00 - [8] - Quote Nelo Angel0 wrote: Void Echo wrote: Shavan D wrote: The most powerful forge gun can do over 2000 damage, the user is also hard to find. the user is illuminated by the charge up so it is not hard to find, but the prototype is more powerful than the prototype rail gun which doesn't make any sense And the installations are weaker then ether of them. Tankers should be glad there's no proto breach. Prototype Wiykromi Breach Forge Gun: Direct Damage- 2772.0 HP Splash Damage: 277.2 HP Blast Radius: 1.5 m Charge Up Time: 6 seconds Clip Size: 4 Max Ammunition: 16. 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon: Direct Damage: 1798.7 HP Splash Damage: 292.5 HP Blast Radius: 2.5 m Fire Interval: 2.2 seconds Charge Up Time: 3 seconds anything else you would like for me to pull from the market?
Xender17 Intrepidus XI Omega Commission 198	Posted - 2013.07.05 00:23:00 - [9] - Quote For drivers and pilots its impossible to find. how is this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbcuViGSmGo stronger than this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSusPHbqj3c Wth can't we put a forge gun on our tanks? Railguns are powered by this? Forgeguns are powered by this.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 39	Posted - 2013.07.05 00:27:00 - [10] - Quote Nelo Angel0 wrote: Void Echo wrote: Shavan D wrote: The most powerful forge gun can do over 2000 damage, the user is also hard to find. the user is illuminated by the charge up so it is not hard to find, but the prototype is more powerful than the prototype rail gun which doesn't make any sense And the installations are weaker then ether of them. Tankers should be glad there's no proto breach. There is a proto breach though.

Void Echo Internal Error. League of Infamy 333	Posted - 2013.07.05 00:37:00 - [11] - Quote ladwar wrote: Void Echo wrote: Shavan D wrote: The most powerful forge gun can do over 2000 damage, the user is also hard to find. the user is illuminated by the charge up so it is not hard to find, but the prototype is more powerful than the prototype rail gun which doesn't make any sense but they don't illuminate for the vehicle driver/pilot. I can see illuminated forge guns from 3/4 of the map away from my position
Nelo Angel0 The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 85	Posted - 2013.07.05 00:44:00 - [12] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Nelo Angel0 wrote: Void Echo wrote: Shavan D wrote: The most powerful forge gun can do over 2000 damage, the user is also hard to find. the user is illuminated by the charge up so it is not hard to find, but the prototype is more powerful than the prototype rail gun which doesn't make any sense And the installations are weaker then ether of them. Tankers should be glad there's no proto breach. Prototype Wiykromi Breach Forge Gun: (human sized weapon) Direct Damage- 2772.0 HP Splash Damage: 277.2 HP Blast Radius: 1.5 m Charge Up Time: 6 seconds Clip Size: 4 Max Ammunition: 16. 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon: (vehicle sized weapon) Direct Damage: 1798.7 HP Splash Damage: 292.5 HP Blast Radius: 2.5 m Fire Interval: 2.2 seconds Charge Up Time: 3 seconds anything else you would like for me to pull from the market? yes whats the stats for an non-moving installation? because size matters right?
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 392	Posted - 2013.07.05 00:57:00 - [13] - Quote I was squadding with you earlier today Shavan. Did I Forge Gun too well? Void Echo wrote: Prototype Wiykromi Breach Forge Gun: (human sized weapon) Direct Damage- 2772.0 HP Splash Damage: 277.2 HP Blast Radius: 1.5 m Charge Up Time: 6 seconds Clip Size: 4 Max Ammunition: 16. 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon: (vehicle sized weapon) Direct Damage: 1798.7 HP Splash Damage: 292.5 HP Blast Radius: 2.5 m Fire Interval: 2.2 seconds Charge Up Time: 3 seconds anything else you would like for me to pull from the market? Just for the sake of discussion: Wiykromi Breach Forge Gun Direct Damage- 2772.0 HP Charge Up Time: 6 seconds DPS: 462 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon Direct Damage: 1798.7 HP Fire Interval: 2.2 seconds DPS: 817 Sure. Feel free to trade those stats for your turret if you like.
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 518	Posted - 2013.07.05 01:00:00 - [14] - Quote Nelo Angel0 wrote: Void Echo wrote: Nelo Angel0 wrote: Void Echo wrote: Shavan D wrote: The most powerful forge gun can do over 2000 damage, the user is also hard to find. the user is illuminated by the charge up so it is not hard to find, but the prototype is more powerful than the prototype rail gun which doesn't make any sense And the installations are weaker then ether of them. Tankers should be glad there's no proto breach. Prototype Wiykromi Breach Forge Gun: (human sized weapon) Direct Damage- 2772.0 HP Splash Damage: 277.2 HP Blast Radius: 1.5 m Charge Up Time: 6 seconds Clip Size: 4 Max Ammunition: 16. 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon: (vehicle sized weapon) Direct Damage: 1798.7 HP Splash Damage: 292.5 HP Blast Radius: 2.5 m Fire Interval: 2.2 seconds Charge Up Time: 3 seconds anything else you would like for me to pull from the market? yes whats the stats for an non-moving installation? because size matters right? Installations use level 1 turrets, but dmg is based on users skill level as well. I would also like to call to attention the fire interval and that the over all DPS of the railgun is more. I would also like to call to attention that it doesn't need reloading. I will also call to attention that in the future we will be purchasing and calling in our own installations, which might make forge gun absolete, and will open the forums to a whole new level of QQ.
N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis 595	Posted - 2013.07.05 01:04:00 - [15] - Quote Prototype Wiykromi Breach Forge Gun: (human sized weapon) Direct Damage- 2772.0 HP Splash Damage: 277.2 HP Blast Radius: 1.5 m Charge Up Time: 6 seconds Clip Size: 4 Max Ammunition: 16. 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon: (vehicle sized weapon) Direct Damage: 1798.7 HP Splash Damage: 292.5 HP Blast Radius: 2.5 m Fire Interval: 2.2 seconds Charge Up Time: 3 seconds anything else you would like for me to pull from the market? compressed particle cannon is better than the wiyrkomi forge in everything but direct damage
Nelo Angel0 The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 85	Posted - 2013.07.05 01:20:00 - [16] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Prototype Wiykromi Breach Forge Gun: (human sized weapon) Direct Damage- 2772.0 HP Splash Damage: 277.2 HP Blast Radius: 1.5 m Charge Up Time: 6 seconds Clip Size: 4 Max Ammunition: 16. 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon: (vehicle sized weapon) Direct Damage: 1798.7 HP Splash Damage: 292.5 HP Blast Radius: 2.5 m Fire Interval: 2.2 seconds Charge Up Time: 3 seconds anything else you would like for me to pull from the market? compressed particle cannon is better than the wiyrkomi forge in everything but direct damage Then from my understandings it's balanced. Rail tanks are not only backed by higher armor/shield. But also higher DPS and are mobile. Let's not forget you can take an unlimited amount of shots because there's not ammo. Sure they lack DD but what they lack there they make up for in every other area(see the above). If rails were to get a buff it would... well I don't want to say "break" but it would certainly shift the balance quite abit. Aside from that from what i've read CCP seems to follow the logic where the biggger the more DPS rather then DD because installation>rail>FG. Someone correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't the rail also have a greater range to boot?
Void Echo Internal Error. League of Infamy 335	Posted - 2013.07.05 01:24:00 - [17] - Quote so let me get this straight, a human sized weapon by logic is meant to be more powerful than a vehicle sized weapon? the direct damage is the problem between the prototype forge and rail gun
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1424	Posted - 2013.07.05 01:25:00 - [18] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Nelo Angel0 wrote: Void Echo wrote: Shavan D wrote: The most powerful forge gun can do over 2000 damage, the user is also hard to find. the user is illuminated by the charge up so it is not hard to find, but the prototype is more powerful than the prototype rail gun which doesn't make any sense And the installations are weaker then ether of them. Tankers should be glad there's no proto breach. Prototype Wiykromi Breach Forge Gun: (human sized weapon) Direct Damage- 2772.0 HP Splash Damage: 277.2 HP Blast Radius: 1.5 m Charge Up Time: 6 seconds Clip Size: 4 Max Ammunition: 16. 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon: (vehicle sized weapon) Direct Damage: 1798.7 HP Splash Damage: 292.5 HP Blast Radius: 2.5 m Fire Interval: 2.2 seconds Charge Up Time: 3 seconds anything else you would like for me to pull from the market? um ... the numbers you just posted put the tank weapon at higher dps...
Nelo Angel0 The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 85	Posted - 2013.07.05 01:29:00 - [19] - Quote Void Echo wrote: so let me get this straight, a human sized weapon by logic is meant to be more powerful than a vehicle sized weapon? the direct damage is the problem between the prototype forge and rail gun Pick your poison nerf PRO breach, nerf all FGs, or buff all rails to be more powerful and deal more DMG quicker.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 388	Posted - 2013.07.05 01:29:00 - [20] - Quote Nelo Angel0 wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Prototype Wiykromi Breach Forge Gun: (human sized weapon) Direct Damage- 2772.0 HP Splash Damage: 277.2 HP Blast Radius: 1.5 m Charge Up Time: 6 seconds Clip Size: 4 Max Ammunition: 16. 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon: (vehicle sized weapon) Direct Damage: 1798.7 HP Splash Damage: 292.5 HP Blast Radius: 2.5 m Fire Interval: 2.2 seconds Charge Up Time: 3 seconds anything else you would like for me to pull from the market? compressed particle cannon is better than the wiyrkomi forge in everything but direct damage Then from my understandings it's balanced. Rail tanks are not only backed by higher armor/shield. But also higher DPS and are mobile. Let's not forget you can take an unlimited amount of shots because there's not ammo. Sure they lack DD but what they lack there they make up for in every other area(see the above). If rails were to get a buff it would... well I don't want to say "break" but it would certainly shift the balance quite abit. Aside from that from what i've read CCP seems to follow the logic where the biggger the more DPS rather then DD because installation>rail>FG. Someone correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't the rail also have a greater range to boot? double the FG

Void Echo Internal Error. League of Infamy 335	Posted - 2013.07.05 01:35:00 - [21] - Quote Nelo Angel0 wrote: Void Echo wrote: so let me get this straight, a human sized weapon by logic is meant to be more powerful than a vehicle sized weapon? the direct damage is the problem between the prototype forge and rail gun Pick your poison nerf PRO breach, nerf all FGs, or buff all rails to be more powerful and deal more DMG quicker. im for the second choice, I agree that only one thing needs to be done
Nelo Angel0 The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 85	Posted - 2013.07.05 01:38:00 - [22] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Nelo Angel0 wrote: Void Echo wrote: so let me get this straight, a human sized weapon by logic is meant to be more powerful than a vehicle sized weapon? the direct damage is the problem between the prototype forge and rail gun Pick your poison nerf PRO breach, nerf all FGs, or buff all rails to be more powerful and deal more DMG quicker. im for the second choice, I agree that only one thing needs to be done Nice choice though then CCP would need to reduce the charge times on FGs. If the breach is going to immobilize me and make me wait 6 seconds to charge the damn thing then it should A) deal tank lvl DMG or higher or B) get rid of the penalties. Don't underestimate the penalties that breach FGs provide because those 6 secs determine if you die trying to kill a tank.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 51	Posted - 2013.07.05 01:39:00 - [23] - Quote Void Echo wrote: so let me get this straight, a human sized weapon by logic is meant to be more powerful than a vehicle sized weapon? the direct damage is the problem between the prototype forge and rail gun So you want rails with higher direct damage plus faster charge time plus higher splash plus unlimited ammo? I think forgers would trade stats with a railgun in a heartbeat if they got all the other benefits ie faster charge time and unlimited ammo and increased splash. In fact I propose we try this:railguns get limited ammo, longer charge times, plus have to reload but get higher DD.
Void Echo Internal Error. League of Infamy 335	Posted - 2013.07.05 01:44:00 - [24] - Quote Nelo Angel0 wrote: Void Echo wrote: Nelo Angel0 wrote: Void Echo wrote: so let me get this straight, a human sized weapon by logic is meant to be more powerful than a vehicle sized weapon? the direct damage is the problem between the prototype forge and rail gun Pick your poison nerf PRO breach, nerf all FGs, or buff all rails to be more powerful and deal more DMG quicker. im for the second choice, I agree that only one thing needs to be done Nice choice though then CCP would need to reduce the charge times on FGs. If the breach is going to immobilize me and make me wait 6 seconds to charge the damn thing then it should A) deal tank lvl DMG or higher or B) get rid of the penalties. Don't underestimate the penalties that breach FGs provide because those 6 secs determine if you die trying to kill a tank. at least then you wouldnt be doing nerfed damage
Shavan D Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.07.05 04:22:00 - [25] - Quote Spec Ops Cipher wrote: Due to the name of the thread, you are the biggest target for people who like to say "OP is QQing" and the like... From the sounds of it, you're new, things will get better for you. However if you are a dropship pilot, you are forever doomed. I'm not new, I've been here since when dropships ruled the sky's and forge guns could 2 shot with no impunity. What I hate about the forge gun is that the pilot has no warning. I was looking up forge gun stats when I found they can just one shot my dropship. One shot it with no warning. I,m always getting hit by forge guns a and I can never take down we're they shot from. They can one shot, no weapon should be able to one shot like that. Even when I use my ADS I can't one shot people.
Tharak Meuridiar The Empyrean Agency 109	Posted - 2013.07.05 04:42:00 - [26] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Prototype Wiykromi Breach Forge Gun: (human sized weapon) Direct Damage- 2772.0 HP Splash Damage: 277.2 HP Blast Radius: 1.5 m Charge Up Time: 6 seconds Clip Size: 4 Max Ammunition: 16. 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon: (vehicle sized weapon) Direct Damage: 1798.7 HP Splash Damage: 292.5 HP Blast Radius: 2.5 m Fire Interval: 2.2 seconds Charge Up Time: 3 seconds anything else you would like for me to pull from the market? Anyone else noticing the tank has a significantly better refire rate? Once you get the right modules rail guns actually fire very quickly. You know the 80GJ Blasters do less damage per shot than forge guns as well.
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 509	Posted - 2013.07.05 04:47:00 - [27] - Quote Spec Ops Cipher wrote: Due to the name of the thread, you are the biggest target for people who like to say "OP is QQing" and the like... From the sounds of it, you're new, things will get better for you. However if you are a dropship pilot, you are forever doomed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXU8w336oGs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
CuuCH Crusher Commando Perkone Caldari State 73	Posted - 2013.07.05 05:54:00 - [28] - Quote Fine since you all seem to want the forge gun's direct damage, you can have it...along with the 6 second charge time. Take the good with the bad.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 392	Posted - 2013.07.05 06:01:00 - [29] - Quote Nelo Angel0 wrote: Void Echo wrote: so let me get this straight, a human sized weapon by logic is meant to be more powerful than a vehicle sized weapon? the direct damage is the problem between the prototype forge and rail gun Pick your poison nerf PRO breach, nerf all FGs, or buff all rails to be more powerful and deal more DMG quicker. Yeah, so, since rails already deal more DMG quicker than Forge Gun, can we just call it a day?
Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 196	Posted - 2013.07.05 07:35:00 - [30] - Quote Shavan D wrote: The most powerful forge gun can do over 2000 damage, the user is also hard to find. HE IS A HEAVY FAT MAN USING A WEAPON THAT GLOWS BRIGHT BLUE AND HE FIRES EXPLOSIVE SHOTS honestly...



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