After that, why use something that requires aim when the game takes care of it for you?

short answer, forge guns are the better av.

b/c a fg can still be used against infanty w/ great effectiveness, where swarms are pure av, so u need a "decent" sidearm to protect yrsefl. Fg also allows for more dps (in a sense0

Great against armor HAVs though!

Because you can snipe infantry with a forge gun, but not with a swarm launcher.

It was obvious forethought to have swarms be incredibly powerful against the better vehicles. Why not start up a petition to get rid of the only AV that needs to be aimed? I mean, hell, one volley from a Wiyrkomi swarm does an incredible amount of damage, and the Wiyrkomi breach forge does ~3000 with skills and one damage mod. Why not make it so the only AV in the game is tracking? After that, why use something that requires aim when the game takes care of it for you?

Do you know how few people can snipe with a forge gun, and I'm gonna be egotistical for a second and include myself? It's damn hard to hit infantry with a forge gun. There's the other guy from RND that runs a forge, and after that I just don't know.

Why would anyone use swarms?

1. They can be invisible so the vehicle driver doesnt see it

2. They can do 270deg turns on the spot and still hit you

3. They cannot be outrun by land vehicles

4. They go around corners

5. They require no aiming

6. They lock on in a second or 2

7. You can jump while locking on or firing

8. Currently beast against armor vehicles

9. Can fire from relative safety without getting killed

Allotek breach forge gun is 2755 base dmg, 2 dmg mods will give it 3100ish dmg. It also doesn't do reduced dmg to shields. You cannot outrun it like you can with swarms. Why should anyone use swarms?

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Have you tried it? It is actually quite easy, and necessary.

Killing infantry with the FG is crazy easy. I'd venture to say that it's considerably easier to get kills FG sniping, than it is sniper rifle sniping.

The forge guns do more SPLASH damage than the Mass Drivers do DIRECT damage, and the FG direct damage is a guaranteed OHK.

The things are INCREDIBLY powerful as both AV and Anti-Infantry. Frankly, I don't know why people use HMGs if they're going for straight K/D. The forge gun is easy to rack up double digit KDRs with only average FPS skills.

When an AV weapon is already one of the better anti-infantry option in the game, why use an AV weapon that can't even damage infantry at all?

I guess you haven't realized how many just don't want to aim when attacking vehicles. It's taken me multiple shots with the Ishukone getting splash to kill people.

hey dont say mean things about my forge gun alt..

how'd you feel if someone petitioned to remove you from the game?
maybe someone should...

To the OP I recommend driving in more HAVs to see the fallacy of your complaints.

LOL u srs? I'm a vehicle pilot.

So am I, and Swarms are a nuisance while Forge Guns are terrifying surprises.

You probably don't run armor vehicles then.

So now you see why some people use Forges instead of Swarms, because swarms are terrible against Shield Tanks.
This is half the reason why I went shield tank in the first place, because while anti-HAV operations are much harder to do it is made up by me murdering most infantry with substantial ease.

Swarms are only easy mode against bad drivers.

You have to stand in the open and wait for a lock on- very easy to get sniped or killed by the vehicle itself
Once you fire, swarms have very simple and stupid pathing, and are very likely to fly into a wall, so the user has to predict the swarm's flight path, and adjust their position/angle of fire as such.
Even then, most good drivers just move into cover where the swarms can reach them.

LOL Wait for a lock on... 1.2 seconds is not a long time.

EZ Mode against bad drivers... doesn't matter if the driver is intelligent or not, one PRO volley eats half your armor.

A popular fallacy in FPS games is that aiming = all the skill. This is simply not true. In all honesty, it's not very hard to aim. I know a lot of people like to pride themselves in how precisely they can move their thumbs, but come on. Especially when you're aiming at a big fat vehicle, it's pretty easy.

The skill in using swarm launchers doesn't come from aiming, it comes from positioning yourself the right way to land a hit. They swarm launchers move slow and have limited range, so unlike the forge you have to get fairly close. When the swarm launchers fire, 4 to 6 bright lights appear right on top of your head revealing yourself to every enemy with a set of eyes, especially snipers. The swarms can be seen coming and give the pilot of the vehicle plenty of time to maneuver behind cover, so you need to take that into consideration.

Honestly your logic is flawed with the simple fact that anyone can tell you its easier to stand far back and destroy a vehicle with the forge gun than hunting one down with swarms. There's a lot more skill to any FPS aside from aiming.

I'd say the lolplasma cannon is the hardest to aim, not the forge gun. Forge gun is quite easy once you practice for a bit.

*looks at title*

Because shields exist

You realize your putting a PRO SL vs a Armor tank? what else is it suppose to do?

"Skill getting into position." Are you really trying to find any argument at all to say that a lock-on fire-and-forget weapon takes any remote amount of intelligence to use? The argument that we've been making is that even noobs that know nothing deep about swarm launchers are effective AV having just militia swarms and the one damage mod on their suit.

There's no "skill" involved in knowing to climb a ladder with a fresh nanohive. There's intelligence involved in having to aim a forge gun. Gaming is not a "skill," neither is being "good" at it. Being good at guitar is a skill, for example. Knowing what's wrong with a mid-90s car without needing sensors is a skill.

Stop trying to say that swarms are hard to use, because they're not. In fact, they're the easiest AV I've ever seen in any game I've ever played. The Javelin in BF3 takes longer to lock on, and can be defeated by a few different countermeasures. There aren't any countermeasures on here.

Oh man, the crying that will take place if CCP ever gives vehicles countermeasures to swarms...

Except it's been confirmed that the plasma cannon is useless by multiple sources skilled into various roles.

Swarms are the easiest of modes, just hop on a dropship fly to the highest most central point on the map and start spamming volleys at anything you can lock onto, gave this a try the other day killed 34 tanks by the time I was finished capping the character, countless LLAVs, LAVs and dropships destroyed as well, and unless they were looking up at my position they didn't even see it coming thanks to invisible swarms.

I never said it was good, I just said it takes the most skill.

Take a swarm launcher up a ladder or hill and start firing is a non-pub match. You'll get killed instantly. Yes, there is some skill involved in not dying when you are using a dead give a way weapon that requires you to get closer than the other AV weapon.

To be frank I don't understand your argument. Learning a guitar is harder than playing a videogame? Well, that's some keen insight there buddy. It sounds like your base argument here is that playing a videogame isn't hard. Well of course not, but it's all relative. When you compare the swarm launcher to the forge gun in terms of difficulty of use the forge gun is much easier to destroying vehicles with.

You obviously have never tried playing an instrument in your life.

It was obvious forethought to have swarms be incredibly powerful against the better vehicles. Why not start up a petition to get rid of the only AV that needs to be aimed? I mean, hell, one volley from a Wiyrkomi swarm does an incredible amount of damage, and the Wiyrkomi breach forge does ~3000 with skills and one damage mod. Why not make it so the only AV in the game is tracking? After that, why use something that requires aim when the game takes care of it for you?

My dropship gets killed wayyyyyy quicker by forge guns (I use Gallente)

Swarms aren't invisible- I see enemy swarms all the time, and the super-obvious vapor trail pointing to the shooter, so any sniper with half a brain (Which, admittedly, is pretty rare) can see to shoot them.

Why would anyone use swarms?

1. They can be invisible so the vehicle driver doesnt see it

2. They can do 270deg turns on the spot and still hit you

3. They cannot be outrun by land vehicles

4. They go around corners

5. They require no aiming

6. They lock on in a second or 2

7. You can jump while locking on or firing

8. Currently beast against armor vehicles

9. Can fire from relative safety without getting killed

Because you can snipe infantry with a forge gun, but not with a swarm launcher.

That doesn't change the fact that they're useless. And what's with this "skill" at a video game?

FORGE GUNS ARE NOT SNIPER RIFLES are only meant for vehicles and and other stuff

You're a fool if you think that.

12 agree with him... Only 1 with you.

See my post right above yours.

And as I said, I'm only referring to its AV purpose, not the lolforging I enjoy doing to infantry. Was that post ignored by everybody?

Proto swarms do more damage than all but breach FG. That's a little effed up when medium frames can stack way more dmg mods than a heavy.

FG is great at infantry sniping, limited ammo means a lot of people aren't patient enough to use it effectively.

I love my militia FG and dren sent suit. DA POWA , ohhhhhh DA POWA.




lol , for real though.. don't touch the forge gun, it has it's uses and so does the swarm

Oh come on man, how many times have you been right next to me and seen a corpse bounce from my forge gun?

dude this thread is a joke. I forge snipe with my proto assault forge pretty much every match and while I may not do as well as I would with my HMG it's still fun and easy too, not many tanks can hang.

I'm sorry but forge guns are just the better AV, and that's just down to accuracy, range, and damage. Swarms suffer from the lock on, travel time, and the fact that they can't fire again until the first volley hits.

Take a swarm launcher up a ladder or hill and start firing is a non-pub match. You'll get killed instantly. Yes, there is some skill involved in not dying when you are using a dead give a way weapon that requires you to get closer than the other AV weapon.

To be frank I don't understand your argument. Learning a guitar is harder than playing a videogame? Well, that's some keen insight there buddy. It sounds like your base argument here is that playing a videogame isn't hard. Well of course not, but it's all relative. When you compare the swarm launcher to the forge gun in terms of difficulty of use the forge gun is much easier to destroying vehicles with.

What the hell are you talking about? I've seen two more volleys behind the first one that just hit me/a friend's tank.

Its called multiple swarmers...

Not always.

How are you going to tell me what I'm seeing from the driver's/gunner's seat, when you're not there?

Because there is no way you can fire 2 swarm volleys without a full 1.5 sec - 2 sec window between volleys, trust me on this one.

Awww a forge gun vs swarm launcher thread how cute

Be in a match with me and ill show you why forge gun rocks vs swarm, that's if im not afking

Because swarms being explosive do kitten-all against my 10K EHP of shields, proto or not...

Great against armor HAVs though!

Why would anyone use swarms?

1. They can be invisible so the vehicle driver doesnt see it

2. They can do 270deg turns on the spot and still hit you

3. They cannot be outrun by land vehicles

4. They go around corners

5. They require no aiming

6. They lock on in a second or 2

7. You can jump while locking on or firing

8. Currently beast against armor vehicles

9. Can fire from relative safety without getting killed

short answer, forge guns are the better av.

That doesn't change the fact that they're useless. And what's with this "skill" at a video game?

Killing infantry with the FG is crazy easy. I'd venture to say that it's considerably easier to get kills FG sniping, than it is sniper rifle sniping.

The forge guns do more SPLASH damage than the Mass Drivers do DIRECT damage, and the FG direct damage is a guaranteed OHK.

The things are INCREDIBLY powerful as both AV and Anti-Infantry. Frankly, I don't know why people use HMGs if they're going for straight K/D. The forge gun is easy to rack up double digit KDRs with only average FPS skills.

When an AV weapon is already one of the better anti-infantry option in the game, why use an AV weapon that can't even damage infantry at all?

Do you know how few people can snipe with a forge gun, and I'm gonna be egotistical for a second and include myself? It's damn hard to hit infantry with a forge gun. There's the other guy from RND that runs a forge, and after that I just don't know.

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No bells n whistles...

Proto Assault FG 1500dmg/ 2sec

Proto Swarm 2000dmg / 4.5 sec

750dmg/s
444dmg/s

You can aim at weak spots with the forge

Just go and use the weapons before you start crying about everything that kills you. What's next from you? SMG is OP? Nerf SMG cause its a deadly AV

Plus blind fire swarm used to be the Bain of FG users as one volley would scatter a heavy over a wide are so remember when your HAV is killed by a FG and a guy on your team with a swarm is sitting there watching and can do nothing remember it was your crying that caused this

FORGE GUNS ARE NOT SNIPER RIFLES are only meant for vehicles and and other stuff

and yet as a sniper I die to more forge guns then I do counter snipers heh.

Oh, trust me, we know.

Swarm Launchers are not easy... you have to worry about the angle, and the interception trajectory, and also how long it takes to lock in the target. PLUS they are very easy to avoid by smart drivers.

Do you know how few people can snipe with a forge gun, and I'm gonna be egotistical for a second and include myself? It's damn hard to hit infantry with a forge gun. There's the other guy from RND that runs a forge, and after that I just don't know.

Swarm Launchers are not easy... you have to worry about the angle, and the interception trajectory, and also how long it takes to lock in the target. PLUS they are very easy to avoid by smart drivers.