So now you see why some people use Forges instead of Swarms, because swarms are terrible against Shield Tanks.
This is half the reason why I went shield tank in the first place, because while anti-HAV operations are much harder to do it is made up by me murdering most infantry with substantial ease.

Swarms are only easy mode against bad drivers.

You have to stand in the open and wait for a lock on- very easy to get sniped or killed by the vehicle itself
Once you fire, swarms have very simple and stupid pathing, and are very likely to fly into a wall, so the user has to predict the swarm's flight path, and adjust their position/angle of fire as such.
Even then, most good drivers just move into cover where the swarms can reach them.

LOL Wait for a lock on... 1.2 seconds is not a long time.

EZ Mode against bad drivers... doesn't matter if the driver is intelligent or not, one PRO volley eats half your armor.

A popular fallacy in FPS games is that aiming = all the skill. This is simply not true. In all honesty, it's not very hard to aim. I know a lot of people like to pride themselves in how precisely they can move their thumbs, but come on. Especially when you're aiming at a big fat vehicle, it's pretty easy.

The skill in using swarm launchers doesn't come from aiming, it comes from positioning yourself the right way to land a hit. They swarm launchers move slow and have limited range, so unlike the forge you have to get fairly close. When the swarm launchers fire, 4 to 6 bright lights appear right on top of your head revealing yourself to every enemy with a set of eyes, especially snipers. The swarms can be seen coming and give the pilot of the vehicle plenty of time to maneuver behind cover, so you need to take that into consideration.

Honestly your logic is flawed with the simple fact that anyone can tell you its easier to stand far back and destroy a vehicle with the forge gun than hunting one down with swarms. There's a lot more skill to any FPS aside from aiming.

I'd say the lolplasma cannon is the hardest to aim, not the forge gun. Forge gun is quite easy once you practice for a bit.

*looks at title*

Because shields exist

You realize your putting a PRO SL vs a Armor tank? what else is it suppose to do?

"Skill getting into position." Are you really trying to find any argument at all to say that a lock-on fire-and-forget weapon takes any remote amount of intelligence to use? The argument that we've been making is that even noobs that know nothing deep about swarm launchers are effective AV having just militia swarms and the one damage mod on their suit.

There's no "skill" involved in knowing to climb a ladder with a fresh nanohive. There's intelligence involved in having to aim a forge gun. Gaming is not a "skill," neither is being "good" at it. Being good at guitar is a skill, for example. Knowing what's wrong with a mid-90s car without needing sensors is a skill.

Stop trying to say that swarms are hard to use, because they're not. In fact, they're the easiest AV I've ever seen in any game I've ever played. The Javelin in BF3 takes longer to lock on, and can be defeated by a few different countermeasures. There aren't any countermeasures on here.

Oh man, the crying that will take place if CCP ever gives vehicles countermeasures to swarms...

Except it's been confirmed that the plasma cannon is useless by multiple sources skilled into various roles.

Swarms are the easiest of modes, just hop on a dropship fly to the highest most central point on the map and start spamming volleys at anything you can lock onto, gave this a try the other day killed 34 tanks by the time I was finished capping the character, countless LLAVs, LAVs and dropships destroyed as well, and unless they were looking up at my position they didn't even see it coming thanks to invisible swarms.

I never said it was good, I just said it takes the most skill.

Take a swarm launcher up a ladder or hill and start firing is a non-pub match. You'll get killed instantly. Yes, there is some skill involved in not dying when you are using a dead give a way weapon that requires you to get closer than the other AV weapon.

To be frank I don't understand your argument. Learning a guitar is harder than playing a videogame? Well, that's some keen insight there buddy. It sounds like your base argument here is that playing a videogame isn't hard. Well of course not, but it's all relative. When you compare the swarm launcher to the forge gun in terms of difficulty of use the forge gun is much easier to destroying vehicles with.

You obviously have never tried playing an instrument in your life.

It was obvious forethought to have swarms be incredibly powerful against the better vehicles. Why not start up a petition to get rid of the only AV that needs to be aimed? I mean, hell, one volley from a Wiyrkomi swarm does an incredible amount of damage, and the Wiyrkomi breach forge does ~3000 with skills and one damage mod. Why not make it so the only AV in the game is tracking? After that, why use something that requires aim when the game takes care of it for you?

My dropship gets killed wayyyyyy quicker by forge guns (I use Gallente)

Swarms aren't invisible- I see enemy swarms all the time, and the super-obvious vapor trail pointing to the shooter, so any sniper with half a brain (Which, admittedly, is pretty rare) can see to shoot them.

Why would anyone use swarms?

1. They can be invisible so the vehicle driver doesnt see it

2. They can do 270deg turns on the spot and still hit you

3. They cannot be outrun by land vehicles

4. They go around corners

5. They require no aiming

6. They lock on in a second or 2

7. You can jump while locking on or firing

8. Currently beast against armor vehicles

9. Can fire from relative safety without getting killed

Because you can snipe infantry with a forge gun, but not with a swarm launcher.

That doesn't change the fact that they're useless. And what's with this "skill" at a video game?