DUST Search - With EZ-mode swarms, why have forge guns?

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Spkr4theDead wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

A popular fallacy in FPS games is that aiming = all the skill. This is simply not true. In all honesty, it's not very hard to aim. I know a lot of people like to pride themselves in how precisely they can move their thumbs, but come on. Especially when you're aiming at a big fat vehicle, it's pretty easy.

The skill in using swarm launchers doesn't come from aiming, it comes from positioning yourself the right way to land a hit. They swarm launchers move slow and have limited range, so unlike the forge you have to get fairly close. When the swarm launchers fire, 4 to 6 bright lights appear right on top of your head revealing yourself to every enemy with a set of eyes, especially snipers. The swarms can be seen coming and give the pilot of the vehicle plenty of time to maneuver behind cover, so you need to take that into consideration.

Honestly your logic is flawed with the simple fact that anyone can tell you its easier to stand far back and destroy a vehicle with the forge gun than hunting one down with swarms. There's a lot more skill to any FPS aside from aiming.

"Skill getting into position." Are you really trying to find any argument at all to say that a lock-on fire-and-forget weapon takes any remote amount of intelligence to use? The argument that we've been making is that even noobs that know nothing deep about swarm launchers are effective AV having just militia swarms and the one damage mod on their suit.

There's no "skill" involved in knowing to climb a ladder with a fresh nanohive. There's intelligence involved in having to aim a forge gun. Gaming is not a "skill," neither is being "good" at it. Being good at guitar is a skill, for example. Knowing what's wrong with a mid-90s car without needing sensors is a skill.

Stop trying to say that swarms are hard to use, because they're not. In fact, they're the easiest AV I've ever seen in any game I've ever played. The Javelin in BF3 takes longer to lock on, and can be defeated by a few different countermeasures. There aren't any countermeasures on here.

Oh man, the crying that will take place if CCP ever gives vehicles countermeasures to swarms...

Take a swarm launcher up a ladder or hill and start firing is a non-pub match. You'll get killed instantly. Yes, there is some skill involved in not dying when you are using a dead give a way weapon that requires you to get closer than the other AV weapon.

To be frank I don't understand your argument. Learning a guitar is harder than playing a videogame? Well, that's some keen insight there buddy. It sounds like your base argument here is that playing a videogame isn't hard. Well of course not, but it's all relative. When you compare the swarm launcher to the forge gun in terms of difficulty of use the forge gun is much easier to destroying vehicles with.

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imma monsta OUT FOR BLOOD. 0	Posted - 2013.07.02 16:28:00 - [1] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: A popular fallacy in FPS games is that aiming = all the skill. This is simply not true. In all honesty, it's not very hard to aim. I know a lot of people like to pride themselves in how precisely they can move their thumbs, but come on. Especially when you're aiming at a big fat vehicle, it's pretty easy. The skill in using swarm launchers doesn't come from aiming, it comes from positioning yourself the right way to land a hit. They swarm launchers move slow and have limited range, so unlike the forge you have to get fairly close. When the swarm launchers fire, 4 to 6 bright lights appear right on top of your head revealing yourself to every enemy with a set of eyes, especially snipers. The swarms can be seen coming and give the pilot of the vehicle plenty of time to maneuver behind cover, so you need to take that into consideration. Honestly your logic is flawed with the simple fact that anyone can tell you its easier to stand far back and destroy a vehicle with the forge gun than hunting one down with swarms. There's a lot more skill to any FPS aside from aiming. "Skill getting into position." Are you really trying to find any argument at all to say that a lock-on fire-and-forget weapon takes any remote amount of intelligence to use? The argument that we've been making is that even noobs that know nothing deep about swarm launchers are effective AV having just militia swarms and the one damage mod on their suit. There's no "skill" involved in knowing to climb a ladder with a fresh nanohive. There's intelligence involved in having to aim a forge gun. Gaming is not a "skill," neither is being "good" at it. Being good at guitar is a skill, for example. Knowing what's wrong with a mid-90s car without needing sensors is a skill. Stop trying to say that swarms are hard to use, because they're not. In fact, they're the easiest AV I've ever seen in any game I've ever played. The Javelin in BF3 takes longer to lock on, and can be defeated by a few different countermeasures. There aren't any countermeasures on here. Oh man, the crying that will take place if CCP ever gives vehicles countermeasures to swarms... Take a swarm launcher up a ladder or hill and start firing is a non-pub match. You'll get killed instantly. Yes, there is some skill involved in not dying when you are using a dead give a way weapon that requires you to get closer than the other AV weapon. To be frank I don't understand your argument. Learning a guitar is harder than playing a videogame? Well, that's some keen insight there buddy. It sounds like your base argument here is that playing a videogame isn't hard. Well of course not, but it's all relative. When you compare the swarm launcher to the forge gun in terms of difficulty of use the forge gun is much easier to destroying vehicles with. True! The second I see those fireflies in the night sky (night mode reference), my sniper is all over you. :]