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Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 222	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:16:00 - [1] - Quote It was obvious forethought to have swarms be incredibly powerful against the better vehicles. Why not start up a petition to get rid of the only AV that needs to be aimed? I mean, hell, one volley from a Wiyrkomi swarm does an incredible amount of damage, and the Wiyrkomi breach forge does ~3000 with skills and one damage mod. Why not make it so the only AV in the game is tracking? After that, why use something that requires aim when the game takes care of it for you?
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 355	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:26:00 - [2] - Quote short answer, forge guns are the better av.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 319	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:26:00 - [3] - Quote b/c a fg can still be used against infanty w/ great effectiveness, where swarms are pure av, so u need a "decent" sidearm to protect yrsefl. Fg also allows for more dps (in a sense0
Xocoyol Zaraoul Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 422	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:27:00 - [4] - Quote Because swarms being explosive do kitten-all against my 10K EHP of shields, proto or not... Great against armor HAVs though!
Dust Project 514 Dust Evo 514 66	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:30:00 - [5] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: After that, why use something that requires aim when the game takes care of it for you? Because you can snipe infantry with a forge gun, but not with a swarm launcher.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 222	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:34:00 - [6] - Quote calisk galern wrote: short answer, forge guns are the better av. You're a fool if you think that.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 222	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:36:00 - [7] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: b/c a fg can still be used against infanty w/ great effectiveness, where swarms are pure av, so u need a "decent" sidearm to protect yrsefl. Fg also allows for more dps (in a sense0 I'm talking about AV roles right now. I can still do decent with a militia forge gun despite its specific UI having been changed, that's both getting hits on vehicles and hitting infantry. But I'm talking purely about AV right now.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 222	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:37:00 - [8] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Great against armor HAVs though! You don't say...
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 222	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:39:00 - [9] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: After that, why use something that requires aim when the game takes care of it for you? Because you can snipe infantry with a forge gun, but not with a swarm launcher. Do you know how few people can snipe with a forge gun, and I'm gonna be egotistical for a second and include myself? It's damn hard to hit infantry with a forge gun. There's the other guy from RND that runs a forge, and after that I just don't know.
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 500	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:50:00 - [10] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: It was obvious forethought to have swarms be incredibly powerful against the better vehicles. Why not start up a petition to get rid of the only AV that needs to be aimed? I mean, hell, one volley from a Wiyrkomi swarm does an incredible amount of damage, and the Wiyrkomi breach forge does ~3000 with skills and one damage mod. Why not make it so the only AV in the game is tracking? After that, why use something that requires aim when the game takes care of it for you? Allotek breach forge gun is 2755 base dmg, 2 dmg mods will give it 3100ish dmg. It also doesn't do reduced dmg to shields. You cannot outrun it like you can with swarms. Why should anyone use swarms?

Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 500	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:56:00 - [11] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Dust Project 514 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: After that, why use something that requires aim when the game takes care of it for you? Because you can snipe infantry with a forge gun, but not with a swarm launcher. Do you know how few people can snipe with a forge gun, and I'm gonna be egotistical for a second and include myself? It's damn hard to hit infantry with a forge gun. There's the other guy from RND that runs a forge, and after that I just don't know. CHICAGOCUBS4EVER KAIN SPERO SPECTRE RND KIRIN TORCH HONKYHILLBILLY ALTINA MCALTERSON ALLDIN KAN Have you tried it? It is actually quite easy, and necessary.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 576	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:00:00 - [12] - Quote Why would anyone use swarms? 1. They can be invisible so the vehicle driver doesnt see it 2. They can do 270deg turns on the spot and still hit you 3. They cannot be outrun by land vehicles 4. They go around corners 5. They require no aiming 6. They lock on in a second or 2 7. You can jump while locking on or firing 8. Currently beast against armor vehicles 9. Can fire from relative safety without getting killed
Green Living 0uter.Heaven League of Infamy 461	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:03:00 - [13] - Quote WhattaguyTTU and MagLives are also quite skilled with the forge gun.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 2	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:12:00 - [14] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Why would anyone use swarms? 1. They can be invisible so the vehicle driver doesnt see it 2. They can do 270deg turns on the spot and still hit you 3. They cannot be outrun by land vehicles 4. They go around corners 5. They require no aiming 6. They lock on in a second or 2 7. You can jump while locking on or firing 8. Currently beast against armor vehicles 9. Can fire from relative safety without getting killed this is why I hate them
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1759	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:14:00 - [15] - Quote Killing infantry with the FG is crazy easy. I'd venture to say that it's considerably easier to get kills FG sniping, than it is sniper rifle sniping. The forge guns do more SPLASH damage than the Mass Drivers do DIRECT damage, and the FG direct damage is a guaranteed OHK. The things are INCREDIBLY powerful as both AV and Anti-Infantry. Frankly, I don't know why people use HMGs if they're going for straight K/D. The forge gun is easy to rack up double digit KDRs with only average FPS skills.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:19:00 - [16] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: It was obvious forethought to have swarms be incredibly powerful against the better vehicles. Why not start up a petition to get rid of the only AV that needs to be aimed? I mean, hell, one volley from a Wiyrkomi swarm does an incredible amount of damage, and the Wiyrkomi breach forge does ~3000 with skills and one damage mod. Why not make it so the only AV in the game is tracking? After that, why use something that requires aim when the game takes care of it for you? Allotek breach forge gun is 2755 base dmg, 2 dmg mods will give it 3100ish dmg. It also doesn't do reduced dmg to shields. You cannot outrun it like you can with swarms. Why should anyone use swarms? You must be thinking of the Wiyrkomi breach.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:22:00 - [17] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Dust Project 514 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: After that, why use something that requires aim when the game takes care of it for you? Because you can snipe infantry with a forge gun, but not with a swarm launcher. Do you know how few people can snipe with a forge gun, and I'm gonna be egotistical for a second and include myself? It's damn hard to hit infantry with a forge gun. There's the other guy from RND that runs a forge, and after that I just don't know. CHICAGOCUBS4EVER KAIN SPERO SPECTRE RND KIRIN TORCH HONKYHILLBILLY ALTINA MCALTERSON ALLDIN KAN Ceopyrex Have you tried it? It is actually quite easy, and necessary. Have I tried it... I had a handful of the Ishukone assault forge guns, and only a handful because I wasn't space rich during Chromosome.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:25:00 - [18] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Killing infantry with the FG is crazy easy. I'd venture to say that it's considerably easier to get kills FG sniping, than it is sniper rifle sniping. The forge guns do more SPLASH damage than the Mass Drivers do DIRECT damage, and the FG direct damage is a guaranteed OHK. The things are INCREDIBLY powerful as both AV and Anti-Infantry. Frankly, I don't know why people use HMGs if they're going for straight K/D. The forge gun is easy to rack up double digit KDRs with only average FPS skills. When an AV weapon is already one of the better anti-infantry option in the game, why use an AV weapon that can't even damage infantry at all? I guess you haven't realized how many just don't want to aim when attacking vehicles. It's taken me multiple shots with the Ishukone getting splash to kill people.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 134	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:30:00 - [19] - Quote Proto swarms do more damage than all but breach FG. That's a little effed up when medium frames can stack way more dmg mods than a heavy. FG is great at infantry sniping, limited ammo means a lot of people aren't patient enough to use it effectively.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1761	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:31:00 - [20] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Killing infantry with the FG is crazy easy. I'd venture to say that it's considerably easier to get kills FG sniping, than it is sniper rifle sniping. The forge guns do more SPLASH damage than the Mass Drivers do DIRECT damage, and the FG direct damage is a guaranteed OHK. The things are INCREDIBLY powerful as both AV and Anti-Infantry. Frankly, I don't know why people use HMGs if they're going for straight K/D. The forge gun is easy to rack up double digit KDRs with only average FPS skills. When an AV weapon is already one of the better anti-infantry option in the game, why use an AV weapon that can't even damage infantry at all? I guess you haven't realized how many just don't want to aim when attacking vehicles. It's taken me multiple shots with the Ishukone getting splash to kill people. OH NOES "MULTIPLE SHOTS!" If you hit them straight on (which isn't any more difficult than with any other gun) it's a OHK. Splash damage with the ishukone still does more damage than a direct hit from an equal level MD. So sure, you didn't OHK with that splash, but you did a TON of damage. Besides, hitting a vehicle with a forge gun is like hitting the broad side of a barn, if they're anywhere near close enough to be able to cause an actual threat to you, they're going to be easy as pie to hit.

loumanchew Ametat Security Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:53:00 - [21] - Quote 1. Forge gun is harder to see a) harder for pilot to see where it is coming from and where to go b) swarms beg my SR for a headshot ''I'm here! shoot me!'' 2- FG is faster to reach target 3- FG is harder to evade 4- FG 1 shots infantry as well
Rifter7 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 251	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:58:00 - [22] - Quote hey dont say mean things about my forge gun alt.. how'd you feel if someone petitioned to remove you from the game? maybe someone should...
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5502	Posted - 2013.06.30 21:00:00 - [23] - Quote To the OP I recommend driving in more HAVs to see the fallacy of your complaints.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2013.06.30 21:46:00 - [24] - Quote Rifter7 wrote: hey dont say mean things about my forge gun alt.. how'd you feel if someone petitioned to remove you from the game? maybe someone should... All of the forums are trying to get vehicles completely nerfed to uselessness.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2013.06.30 21:47:00 - [25] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: To the OP I recommend driving in more HAVs to see the fallacy of your complaints. LOL u srs? I'm a vehicle pilot.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 424	Posted - 2013.06.30 21:49:00 - [26] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: To the OP I recommend driving in more HAVs to see the fallacy of your complaints. LOL u srs? I'm a vehicle pilot. So am I, and Swarms are a nuisance while Forge Guns are terrifying surprises, and you literally can not Shield Tank with more EHP then I do in the game for Caldari Gunnlogs.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2013.06.30 21:50:00 - [27] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: To the OP I recommend driving in more HAVs to see the fallacy of your complaints. LOL u srs? I'm a vehicle pilot. So am I, and Swarms are a nuisance while Forge Guns are terrifying surprises. You probably don't run armor vehicles then.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 424	Posted - 2013.06.30 21:51:00 - [28] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: You probably don't run armor vehicles then. So now you see why some people use Forges instead of Swarms, because swarms are terrible against Shield Tanks. This is half the reason why I went shield tank in the first place, because while anti-HAV operations are much harder to do it is made up by me murdering most infantry with substantial ease.
CuuCH Crusher Commando Perkone Caldari State 67	Posted - 2013.06.30 21:58:00 - [29] - Quote A swarm launcher can't one shot infantry. Forge guns can. Only reason I need.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1842	Posted - 2013.06.30 22:00:00 - [30] - Quote Swarms are only easy mode against bad drivers. You have to stand in the open and wait for a lock on- very easy to get sniped or killed by the vehicle itself Once you fire, swarms have very simple and stupid pathing, and are very likely to fly into a wall, so the user has to predict the swarm's flight path, and adjust their position/angle of fire as such. Even then, most good drivers just move into cover where the swarms can reach them.



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